Duke University School of Law C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

urbanist11 · Post by **urbanist11** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:20 pm

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Dcc617 · Post by **Dcc617** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Anyone know how long normally between PT waves?

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basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:03 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:07 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:
basedvulpes wrote:
slippin_jimmy wrote:Side note, apparently Duke is splitting 60/40 male/female. That bro reputation getting solidified.

Is this a real drawback for anyone? Just curious, it doesn't really matter to me.
Ugh this is definitely a draw back for me. Schools CAN be 50/50. There are four in the T14 that do at least an even split. They just have to make the effort.

It's a drawback for me as well. I feel like 55/45 is pretty common, but any more than that and you have to start wondering why that's the case.

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:12 pm

basedvulpes wrote:
Hildegard15 wrote:
basedvulpes wrote:
slippin_jimmy wrote:Side note, apparently Duke is splitting 60/40 male/female. That bro reputation getting solidified.

Is this a real drawback for anyone? Just curious, it doesn't really matter to me.
Ugh this is definitely a draw back for me. Schools CAN be 50/50. There are four in the T14 that do at least an even split. They just have to make the effort.
I don't see how all T14s could possibly be 50/50, unless they started prioritizing gender split over admissions stats. There are more male applicants and more male high scorers.

I think it's a hard thing to do in the short term without taking a numbers hit, but I could definitely see ways to change that in the long run. Off the top of my head, even adding more female professors (especially in higher-up positions) could help to break the "boys' club" reputation of the legal profession and draw more women in - it'll help show women that advancement within the profession is more attainable.

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:19 pm

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Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:40 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:44 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:
basedvulpes wrote:
barley wrote:
basedvulpes wrote:I don't see how all T14s could possibly be 50/50, unless they started prioritizing gender split over admissions stats. There are more male applicants and more male high scorers.
I think it's a hard thing to do in the short term without taking a numbers hit, but I could definitely see ways to change that in the long run. Off the top of my head, even adding more female professors (especially in higher-up positions) could help to break the "boys' club" reputation of the legal profession and draw more women in - it'll help show women that advancement within the profession is more attainable.
True, I'm with you on that, but I also think there's a lot more going on that is completely out of Duke's hands when it comes down to people deciding what they want to be when they grow up. The gender split in the legal profession is way better than it used to be, but I'm not convinced that it will ever be equal or if that's something we should even aspire to.
.......That last part demands an explanation.

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:55 pm

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slippin_jimmy · Post by **slippin_jimmy** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:03 pm

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whacka · Post by **whacka** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:21 pm

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Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:29 pm

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Generally · Post by **Generally** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:35 pm

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lymenheimer · Post by **lymenheimer** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:38 pm

whacka wrote:
basedvulpes wrote: I'm just saying that we shouldn't force things to be 50/50 if they don't naturally want to be. You shouldn't encourage women (or men for that matter) to join the legal profession if they would be happier doing something else.

Equality to me is about equal opportunity and being able to choose to do anything you want to do, not forcing ratios to always be 50/50 because that's "equal." With complete equality of opportunity I still imagine that certain professions would be male dominated and others female dominated because people have different preferences.
The reason that they "naturally want to be" that way is that we as a society still see law as a man's field. Aspiring towards a 50/50 class through affirmative action (which is what's being advocated by some users here even though they haven't made it explicit) is one effective way of changing how our culture looks at certain professions, so future generations of women won't see a female lawyer as an anomaly from an early age. In a generation, they may not even need to worry about gender percentages, since women may be just as likely as men to want to pursue a career in law. Right now, that's unfortunately not the case, and it is almost certainly a result of the gender roles that have been proscribed by society.

I think I'm with based on this one. Simply put: just because it may seem like an error on society to not be 50-50 split in the profession doesn't make the choices of the women who avoid law incorrect. If females don't want to be lawyers, why is that something that necessarily needs to be corrected? And it may be a whole --> parts thing I'm messing up, but it seems like the attempted correction (50-50 split) is forcing an outcome that is not yet ready to come to fruition. If more males than females are going to law school, then there is no way that we can have a 50-50 split in the work place. But just because the numbers don't work out that way, doesn't mean that there's a problem.

Edit: essentially scooped (and eloquently so) by Mr. Lee.

earthabides · Post by **earthabides** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:40 pm

whacka wrote:
The reason that they "naturally want to be" that way is that we as a society still see law as a man's field. Aspiring towards a 50/50 class through affirmative action (which is what's being advocated by some users here even though they haven't made it explicit) is one effective way of changing how our culture looks at certain professions, so future generations of women won't see a female lawyer as an anomaly from an early age. In a generation, they may not even need to worry about gender percentages, since women may be just as likely as men to want to pursue a career in law. Right now, that's unfortunately not the case, and it is almost certainly a result of the gender roles that have been proscribed by society.

There is not nearly as much evidence for this as you seem to think there is. In the most recent cycle there are more women than men applying anyway. If there is a problem maintaining 50/50 classes in the T14 it is that there are more male high-scorers, not that women are discouraged from applying.

whacka · Post by **whacka** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:42 pm

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Generally · Post by **Generally** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:42 pm

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Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:47 pm

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