Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

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[Pozzo]

Any reason why they've made so few offers at this point? Is this abnormal or just how H rolls?

We've done something to offend Them.... Starting to wonder if a sacrifice isn't in order.

I welcome speculation, I think that the drop in high LSAT scores is leading them to focus on their medians? Is there anyone who is above 75th and at least above 25th that hasn't gotten a JS1?

Spivey said the decision process has been slower across the board this cycle. I believe this can be attributed (at least in in part) to the lower LSAT scores and lower number of applicants

That seems quite reasonable. But I thought Spivey said there was a big increase in the # of Dec. 2016 test-takers, and he also wrote in his blog that there will be greater number of applicants this year...

December takers were up. But as of last week, applicants were down 1.5%.

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[curry1]

Any reason why they've made so few offers at this point? Is this abnormal or just how H rolls?

We've done something to offend Them.... Starting to wonder if a sacrifice isn't in order.

I welcome speculation, I think that the drop in high LSAT scores is leading them to focus on their medians? Is there anyone who is above 75th and at least above 25th that hasn't gotten a JS1?

Spivey said the decision process has been slower across the board this cycle. I believe this can be attributed (at least in in part) to the lower LSAT scores and lower number of applicants

That seems quite reasonable. But I thought Spivey said there was a big increase in the # of Dec. 2016 test-takers, and he also wrote in his blog that there will be greater number of applicants this year...

December takers were up. But as of last week, applicants were down 1.5%.

The gross number of applicants being down 1.5% doesn't mean much for a school like HLS. All that really matters are the top few bands of LSAT scorers.

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[Pozzo]

Anyone know whether there's an increase/decrease in the number of people who got 170 or above?

Spivey put all the data up on his blog: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2016-2 ... -02-03-17/

170+ is down 3%, but there was a big increase in 170s, up 43%. If you back those out, 171-180 is down over 17%.

[goldenbear2020]

Anyone know whether there's an increase/decrease in the number of people who got 170 or above?

Spivey put all the data up on his blog: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2016-2 ... -02-03-17/

170+ is down 3%, but there was a big increase in 170s, up 43%. If you back those out, 171-180 is down over 17%.

173+ is down 15% and 172+ is down 17%, so I don't see how HLS gets back to a 173 median without lowering their GPA floor, taking more KJDs, placing less emphasis on softs, etc.

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[poptart123]

We need around 50 lbs of corn to maintain current weight. Production of corn is down 17%. We will most likely lose weight.

Not if production of corn is 2000 lbs and I get first dibs. I probably won't even notice the difference in quality, though everyone else certainly will.

But your corn wasn't grown in Iowa. It wouldn't even make a good tortilla. We are talking a golden-yellow corn, not brown, creamed corn.

[Pozzo]

We need around 50 lbs of corn to maintain current weight. Production of corn is down 17%. We will most likely lose weight.

Not if production of corn is 2000 lbs and I get first dibs. I probably won't even notice the difference in quality, though everyone else certainly will.

But some other corn buyers give a lot of money to keep the best corn for themselves.

[Saul Berenson]

Do other Schools know if you have been admitted to other Schools?

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[Pozzo]

We need around 50 lbs of corn to maintain current weight. Production of corn is down 17%. We will most likely lose weight.

Not if production of corn is 2000 lbs and I get first dibs. I probably won't even notice the difference in quality, though everyone else certainly will.

But some other corn buyers give a lot of money to keep the best corn for themselves.

Will they give more? I was under the impression schools had a budget set ahead of time.

True, but they may dip down to some of the corn they would have not historically given money to in past cycles.

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[gargleblaster]

We need around 50 lbs of corn to maintain current weight. Production of corn is down 17%. We will most likely lose weight.

Not if production of corn is 2000 lbs and I get first dibs. I probably won't even notice the difference in quality, though everyone else certainly will.

But some other corn buyers give a lot of money to keep the best corn for themselves.

Will they give more? I was under the impression schools had a budget set ahead of time.

True, but they may dip down to some of the corn they would have not historically given money to in past cycles.

You could also reduce activity levels, reducing caloric expenditure, reducing need for raw amounts of corn.

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[ood's_brother]

Do other Schools know if you have been admitted to other Schools?

No, they used to be able to see all the other schools in your fafsa app, but I believe that was changed during the Obama administration.

May need someone to double check.

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[curry1]

But isn't the point that those corn buyers are drawing kernels from the top buyers? In other words, that wouldn't affect the quality that the top buyers end up with.

There are way more 172+ scores than HYS collectively need.

It felt really great scrolling down, knowing that the # of 170+ scores are low...

But that kills it. If there ware way more 172+ than HYS collectively need, then I guess that means the fluctuation in the number of test-takers have absolutely no bearing on the weight/value of your 170+ score.

Sad.

ignoring the fact that tons of 172+ers have gpas that preclude them from hys (3.5ish for h, 3.7 or below for ys, generously). Just run a search on LSN and you'll see this.

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[ood's_brother]

By the way, while we wait, does anyone know any link/articles that explain in greater detail how the files are read at HLS?

I ask because I see "a former voting member at ....XXXX admissions committee" in bios. This line alone makes it sound like there's an actual admissions "committee" and that they actually "vote" like they do in "Legally Blonde."

I've been Googling and my understanding of the HLS file reading process is that two people each read your application separately, gives a numerical rating based on (LSAT/GPA/Softs), and if both agree to admit, then that person is an admit. If the two disagree, then the Dean decides. Is this fairly accurate?

So it's not like there's a literally "committee" that debates your application and actually "vote," right?

I also heard that HLS professors might read the files. Does anyone know at what stages they read your files and whose files they read?

After JS1, I was told my file would be sent for faculty review.

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[ood's_brother]

Oh wow... I guess professors are the final gatekeepers then?

IDK