Helmholtz wrote:m51 (a current CLS student who has been incredibly good about CLS admittance discussion) said this about index:
M51 wrote:Basically, if a school has an index #, use that instead of your GPA/LSAT when trying to figure out your odds.M51 wrote:Just glanced at CLS graphs... compared to their previous years, they're doing the same amount of YP-ing as they've traditionally done (not much). CCN has always randomly taken and rejected and WL-ed borderline candidates... and whatever you may think... 3.75/170 is NOT even a 4.3 on CLS's index... of which only 50% get admitted w/o first being WL-ed. A 4.2 has only a 25% historical success rate.
These people have a higher chance of being WL-ed/Rejected than of being outright Accepted. That's been true for 3 years running. I don't see what the big confusion is. For a school that uses index #s, your LSAT/GPA is mostly meaningless... take the index #s, which have been steady through the years for CLS. 4.4 = you're in unless we find dirt on you. 4.3 = you have a good shot. 4.2 = you have a shot, but it's not great. 4.1 = you're kindda screwed.M51 wrote: Just using Columbia as an example because I ED-ed here and did a lot of research. Normal 4.3 index # acceptance rate is somewhere around 50%. ED 4.3 acceptance rate is well over 75%. Normal 4.2 index # acceptance rate is somewhere around 20%. ED rate is well over 33%..
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Do they truncate, round, or other?knock wrote:M51 wrote:Just glanced at CLS graphs... compared to their previous years, they're doing the same amount of YP-ing as they've traditionally done (not much). CCN has always randomly taken and rejected and WL-ed borderline candidates... and whatever you may think... 3.75/170 is NOT even a 4.3 on CLS's index... of which only 50% get admitted w/o first being WL-ed. A 4.2 has only a 25% historical success rate.
These people have a higher chance of being WL-ed/Rejected than of being outright Accepted. That's been true for 3 years running. I don't see what the big confusion is. For a school that uses index #s, your LSAT/GPA is mostly meaningless... take the index #s, which have been steady through the years for CLS. 4.4 = you're in unless we find dirt on you. 4.3 = you have a good shot. 4.2 = you have a shot, but it's not great. 4.1 = you're kindda screwed.
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I have no idea, but I would guess they wouldn't.bdubs wrote:Do they truncate, round, or other?knock wrote:M51 wrote:Just glanced at CLS graphs... compared to their previous years, they're doing the same amount of YP-ing as they've traditionally done (not much). CCN has always randomly taken and rejected and WL-ed borderline candidates... and whatever you may think... 3.75/170 is NOT even a 4.3 on CLS's index... of which only 50% get admitted w/o first being WL-ed. A 4.2 has only a 25% historical success rate.
These people have a higher chance of being WL-ed/Rejected than of being outright Accepted. That's been true for 3 years running. I don't see what the big confusion is. For a school that uses index #s, your LSAT/GPA is mostly meaningless... take the index #s, which have been steady through the years for CLS. 4.4 = you're in unless we find dirt on you. 4.3 = you have a good shot. 4.2 = you have a shot, but it's not great. 4.1 = you're kindda screwed.
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Does anyone know how all of this applies to URMs, or are we still stuck at being unpredictable?
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If your above those indexes your in.law_monkey wrote:Does anyone know how all of this applies to URMs, or are we still stuck at being unpredictable?
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There is actually a companion graph for URMs. It's pretty much shifted down a little bit, I can't recall exactly. But it groups all URMs together, so it may be inaccurate for certain types of URMs. I wish I could locate these graphs, they were pretty informativelaw_monkey wrote:Does anyone know how all of this applies to URMs, or are we still stuck at being unpredictable?

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I was about to ask about these mythical index graphs.
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I've been searching for them for a little while, no luck. Someone must have them saved or have an idea where they can be found.ahduth wrote:I was about to ask about these mythical index graphs.
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Those do sound super helpful. Luckily CLS is definitely one of my reaches, so a ding will be expected and anything else will be a pleasant surprise.Knock wrote:There is actually a companion graph for URMs. It's pretty much shifted down a little bit, I can't recall exactly. But it groups all URMs together, so it may be inaccurate for certain types of URMs. I wish I could locate these graphs, they were pretty informativelaw_monkey wrote:Does anyone know how all of this applies to URMs, or are we still stuck at being unpredictable?.
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Is their any consensus on the index cutoff for Butlers/Hamiltons, or are those basically done from softs among the high number people?
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I've heard quoted several times on TLS that the Hamilton cutoff is roughly 3.8+, 174+.jdstl wrote:Is their any consensus on the index cutoff for Butlers/Hamiltons, or are those basically done from softs among the high number people?
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tag. chances aren't great but i'm banking on URM cycles being unpredictable and crossing my fingers
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Yeah, that's about what I hear too. I guess I should phrase the question "is there any idex above which a certin scholarship becomes automatic?"c_dubya_s wrote:I've heard quoted several times on TLS that the Hamilton cutoff is roughly 3.8+, 174+.jdstl wrote:Is their any consensus on the index cutoff for Butlers/Hamiltons, or are those basically done from softs among the high number people?
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Ugh, I'd rather be straight rejected than WL, but I have a feeling I'm headed for the waitlist.
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Can someone tell me how they grade UG grades from abroad, or convert them into indices?
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Considering that they are not reportable to USNWR, I would doubt that they go into the formula. My guess is that it is a tie breaker for borderline candidates.ryukpark wrote:Can someone tell me how they grade UG grades from abroad, or convert them into indices?
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I cannot believe this is perfectly accurate. I'm a 4.4 URM, and I'm not that confident in getting in, and not just because I'm a crazy pessimist. I just don't think my 3.4 is going to be impressing anyone anytime soon.knock wrote:M51 wrote:Just glanced at CLS graphs... compared to their previous years, they're doing the same amount of YP-ing as they've traditionally done (not much). CCN has always randomly taken and rejected and WL-ed borderline candidates... and whatever you may think... 3.75/170 is NOT even a 4.3 on CLS's index... of which only 50% get admitted w/o first being WL-ed. A 4.2 has only a 25% historical success rate.
These people have a higher chance of being WL-ed/Rejected than of being outright Accepted. That's been true for 3 years running. I don't see what the big confusion is. For a school that uses index #s, your LSAT/GPA is mostly meaningless... take the index #s, which have been steady through the years for CLS. 4.4 = you're in unless we find dirt on you. 4.3 = you have a good shot. 4.2 = you have a shot, but it's not great. 4.1 = you're kindda screwed.
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You'll get in. 4.4 URM is in. See you in New York!s0ph1e2007 wrote:
I cannot believe this is perfectly accurate. I'm a 4.4 URM, and I'm not that confident in getting in, and not just because I'm a crazy pessimist. I just don't think my 3.4 is going to be impressing anyone anytime soon.
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I got something in the mail from Columbia today.
It wasn't this color.
I said 'ello, reject pile.
It was just the viewbook I requested 3 months ago
It wasn't this color.
I said 'ello, reject pile.
It was just the viewbook I requested 3 months ago

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lol what color is the viewbook?pereira6 wrote:I got something in the mail from Columbia today.
It wasn't this color.
I said 'ello, reject pile.
It was just the viewbook I requested 3 months ago
I still only have 2 viewbooks total (Berkeley + USC). You'd think I would get viewbooks from places I am already admitted...
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pereira6 wrote:I got something in the mail from Columbia today.
It wasn't this color.
I said 'ello, reject pile.
It was just the viewbook I requested 3 months ago
That is seriously evil.
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Amazingly enough, the viewbook has a this color picture of the law school and the same color back coverr6_philly wrote:lol what color is the viewbook?pereira6 wrote:I got something in the mail from Columbia today.
It wasn't this color.
I said 'ello, reject pile.
It was just the viewbook I requested 3 months ago
I still only have 2 viewbooks total (Berkeley + USC). You'd think I would get viewbooks from places I am already admitted...
Yet the envelope was not. Alas, no acceptance yet! Haha hopefully I get one.
I requested viewbooks from all schools that didn't say "look at it online" because I like looking at them for info and they make good looking coffee-table books. Along with the Onion's Our Dumb World.
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Why I didnt get a viewbook from columbia, I don't know. Those bastards.
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if it were perfect, there wouldn't be yellow in the 4.4 range, but of course there is, and I doubt those who are in yellow have some crazy dirt against them.s0ph1e2007 wrote:I cannot believe this is perfectly accurate. I'm a 4.4 URM, and I'm not that confident in getting in, and not just because I'm a crazy pessimist. I just don't think my 3.4 is going to be impressing anyone anytime soon.knock wrote:M51 wrote:Just glanced at CLS graphs... compared to their previous years, they're doing the same amount of YP-ing as they've traditionally done (not much). CCN has always randomly taken and rejected and WL-ed borderline candidates... and whatever you may think... 3.75/170 is NOT even a 4.3 on CLS's index... of which only 50% get admitted w/o first being WL-ed. A 4.2 has only a 25% historical success rate.
These people have a higher chance of being WL-ed/Rejected than of being outright Accepted. That's been true for 3 years running. I don't see what the big confusion is. For a school that uses index #s, your LSAT/GPA is mostly meaningless... take the index #s, which have been steady through the years for CLS. 4.4 = you're in unless we find dirt on you. 4.3 = you have a good shot. 4.2 = you have a shot, but it's not great. 4.1 = you're kindda screwed.
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