Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[CPA-->JD]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

I wish we knew how that is broken down among the different LSAT scores. Obviously > 75% of 180's are accepted. Same thing with gpa.

[KateMcKitten]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

I was WL two years ago as a KJD without a JS1, but I'm going to pretend this will apply to me because I don't have to worry about LSAT's logic anymore

[LL1234]

Hi fellow waiters! I'm sure this was talked about somewhere already but... is there any consensus on how/whether we should thank our interviewers? I've always been used to sending nice thank you emails for these types of things if possible, but I figured people here have good collective insight. Thanks for your thoughts!

[lsa16]

Hi fellow waiters! I'm sure this was talked about somewhere already but... is there any consensus on how/whether we should thank our interviewers? I've always been used to sending nice thank you emails for these types of things if possible, but I figured people here have good collective insight. Thanks for your thoughts!

I didn't because I figured in a situation like this with so many interviews going on I'd just be adding noise to somebody's inbox, but I am by no means an expert and I doubt it could do any harm if you wanted to.

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[sittykitty]

Hey guys, hunting for advice --

I just received some test results from my PCP confirming a neurological disorder that in retrospect probably had a significant impact on my undergraduate academic performance. Given that my GPA is by far the weakest point in my application, do you think it's worth updating Harvard (or anyone else) about this condition? It's not one that I think is taken particularly seriously (much in the way of many mental health disorders), and I'm not exactly sure what to say. Any advice would be appreciated!

[jjcorvino]

Hey guys, hunting for advice --

I just received some test results from my PCP confirming a neurological disorder that in retrospect probably had a significant impact on my undergraduate academic performance. Given that my GPA is by far the weakest point in my application, do you think it's worth updating Harvard (or anyone else) about this condition? It's not one that I think is taken particularly seriously (much in the way of many mental health disorders), and I'm not exactly sure what to say. Any advice would be appreciated!

My take - only disclose disabilities if the problem has been remedied. If this is a recent diagnosis, the issue has probably not been solved and you have no way to show that you will do better in the future. How do they know that you will not succumb to the same issues at Harvard?

However, if you are now taking medicine that solves the issue and can somehow point to some work you have done or improvements that have been made since that revelation, then I would say go for it.

[calpolisci2016]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

This case sounds interesting. I wish my interviewer gave me more implied statements to work off of that would help me better predict the final decision.

[Future Ex-Engineer]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

This case sounds interesting. I wish my interviewer gave me more implied statements to work off of that would help me better predict the final decision.

I wish I had an interview request. The grass is always greener my friend

[KateMcKitten]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

This case sounds interesting. I wish my interviewer gave me more implied statements to work off of that would help me better predict the final decision.

The first app cycle she was actually interviewed by JS herself who, in the middle of their conversation, went, "So. You're young," and then left awkward silence. She had to scramble to fill the dead air with some sort of response/apology/etc. before JS asked her what she would do with 2 years off. After she answered, JS told her that, even if she got accepted this round, she should defer a year. So...take solace in the fact that even after being raked across the coals you can still make it to H someday!

[dyebri]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

This case sounds interesting. I wish my interviewer gave me more implied statements to work off of that would help me better predict the final decision.

The first app cycle she was actually interviewed by JS herself who, in the middle of their conversation, went, "So. You're young," and then left awkward silence. She had to scramble to fill the dead air with some sort of response/apology/etc. before JS asked her what she would do with 2 years off. After she answered, JS told her that, even if she got accepted this round, she should defer a year. So...take solace in the fact that even after being raked across the coals you can still make it to H someday!

Did she get in on her first try

[KateMcKitten]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

do you have any insight what would make the 25 % not get the offer?

i dont feel too hot after my interview

I know someone who got a JS1 and then was WL'ed 3 cycles ago because she was a KJD with about HLS-average numbers. They implied in her interview that, if she didn't get in, that would be the reason. They also implied that if she waited 2 years and applied again they would let her in. She is now a 1L.

This case sounds interesting. I wish my interviewer gave me more implied statements to work off of that would help me better predict the final decision.

The first app cycle she was actually interviewed by JS herself who, in the middle of their conversation, went, "So. You're young," and then left awkward silence. She had to scramble to fill the dead air with some sort of response/apology/etc. before JS asked her what she would do with 2 years off. After she answered, JS told her that, even if she got accepted this round, she should defer a year. So...take solace in the fact that even after being raked across the coals you can still make it to H someday!

Did she get in on her first try

WL'ed. But she's there now so there is still hope if you're willing to wait for it.

[wheathins]

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[Monday]

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[VapidP]

How much do you guys think JS actually cares about maintaining/improving LSAT median?

I see so many below-median candidates get in (and many more receive JS1's) that I think they care much more about qualitatuve factors than before (which is a good thing?)

Medians by definition require that there are "many below-median" admits. I don't think the dip in the number of higher LSAT scores is significant enough to lead to a drastic shift. Perhaps GPA will become slightly more important than before, but H won't suddenly become a YS black box.

Why would GPAs become more important than before given that 1) there are less high scorers and 2) their LSAT median dipped last year? Would GPAs become less important?

[galeatus]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

I wish we knew how that is broken down among the different LSAT scores. Obviously > 75% of 180's are accepted. Same thing with gpa.

As per the spreadsheet from the past three years (last year's has some funny numbers and i think is an outlier), the percentage of JS1s getting JS2s is actually around 63-64%, and surprisingly for people above both medians the percentage is only ever so slightly better than those below both medians, so i think for those with JS1s, their chances depend slightly more on the softs.

Dunno whether this will still hold for this cycle tho, everything about this current cycle is weird

[Monday]

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[Helioze]

How much do you guys think JS actually cares about maintaining/improving LSAT median?

I see so many below-median candidates get in (and many more receive JS1's) that I think they care much more about qualitatuve factors than before (which is a good thing?)

Medians by definition require that there are "many below-median" admits. I don't think the dip in the number of higher LSAT scores is significant enough to lead to a drastic shift. Perhaps GPA will become slightly more important than before, but H won't suddenly become a YS black box.

Why would GPAs become more important than before given that 1) there are less high scorers and 2) their LSAT median dipped last year? Would GPAs become less important?

Your (1) and (2) don't lend to the conjecture that GPAs will become less important. GPAs are also included in the rankings calculation so even if H were to let their LSAT median slip, it would be quite strange to let the GPA median slip also or stay the same (particularly given that there is no shortage of applicants with high GPAs) in pursuit of softs that have no bearing on the rankings or medians.

But then again who knows with this cycle? I'm, however, willing to bet that H's GPA median will go up this year.

So you think that pretty much everyone is gonna go for high GPA ers? I doubt it.

[Monday]

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[addie1412]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

I wish we knew how that is broken down among the different LSAT scores. Obviously > 75% of 180's are accepted. Same thing with gpa.

As per the spreadsheet from the past three years (last year's has some funny numbers and i think is an outlier), the percentage of JS1s getting JS2s is actually around 63-64%, and surprisingly for people above both medians the percentage is only ever so slightly better than those below both medians, so i think for those with JS1s, their chances depend slightly more on the softs.

Dunno whether this will still hold for this cycle tho, everything about this current cycle is weird

Hmm, I'd wager that some people don't go back and update the spreadsheet when they finally get a decision. So if all of those "pending decision"s were updated, I imagine the percentage of JS1s getting JS2s would approach the 70-75% figure usually estimated here. Of course that could also just be wishful thinking

[VapidP]

How much do you guys think JS actually cares about maintaining/improving LSAT median?

I see so many below-median candidates get in (and many more receive JS1's) that I think they care much more about qualitatuve factors than before (which is a good thing?)

Medians by definition require that there are "many below-median" admits. I don't think the dip in the number of higher LSAT scores is significant enough to lead to a drastic shift. Perhaps GPA will become slightly more important than before, but H won't suddenly become a YS black box.

Why would GPAs become more important than before given that 1) there are less high scorers and 2) their LSAT median dipped last year? Would GPAs become less important?

Your (1) and (2) don't lend to the conjecture that GPAs will become less important. GPAs are also included in the rankings calculation so even if H were to let their LSAT median slip, it would be quite strange to let the GPA median slip also or stay the same (particularly given that there is no shortage of applicants with high GPAs) in pursuit of softs that have no bearing on the rankings or medians.

But then again who knows with this cycle? I'm, however, willing to bet that H's GPA median will go up this year.

So you think that pretty much everyone is gonna go for high GPA ers? I doubt it.

It's not for pursuit of softs that have no bearing on the medians. It's for the pursuit of high LSAT scorers with lower GPAs then say someone with a high GPA and a below median LSAT score. There is a shortage of high LSAT scores and given this, relative to the LSAT, GPAs should decrease in importance from last year. In order to maintain their median, they might have to take a few sub 3.7s to push their LSAT median up to a 173.

Additionally, because harvard loses a bunch of people to yale and stanford and full rides, it's kind of hard to predict the actual matriculating classes stats. If they really care about maintaining a 173 (or even a 172), they would probably increase the buffer of their offers such that even if they lose a bunch of the really high scorers to Yale, they'll still have enough high scorers to keep the LSAT median.

Also, is the LSAT median more important than GPA in terms of ranking?

[galeatus]

How decisive are the JS1 interviews to getting accepted. I had mine yesterday and Im sure my interviwer could tell I was nervous so i dont know how great I did

folk wisdom is ~75% of JS1s get an offer

I wish we knew how that is broken down among the different LSAT scores. Obviously > 75% of 180's are accepted. Same thing with gpa.

As per the spreadsheet from the past three years (last year's has some funny numbers and i think is an outlier), the percentage of JS1s getting JS2s is actually around 63-64%, and surprisingly for people above both medians the percentage is only ever so slightly better than those below both medians, so i think for those with JS1s, their chances depend slightly more on the softs.

Dunno whether this will still hold for this cycle tho, everything about this current cycle is weird

Hmm, I'd wager that some people don't go back and update the spreadsheet when they finally get a decision. So if all of those "pending decision"s were updated, I imagine the percentage of JS1s getting JS2s would approach the 70-75% figure usually estimated here. Of course that could also just be wishful thinking

LEAVE ME AND MY PESSIMISM ALONE ADDIE

Jk, yeah you're right, just 10 lazy/forgetful people not updating their spreadsheet entries will shift the percentage by 5% so it is likely that the actual percentage is higher than 65%, maybe much higher.

I suppose this means that the JS1 acceptance rate is at least 65%. HYPE

[Kinch08]

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[appind]

Threw out a Hail Mary app mid-January, and had a JS1 yesterday. I went from "not even concerned," and "there's no way in hell," to "now I'm checking this site multiple times a day" and "maybe there's a chance..."

numbers, softs?