NYU c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[brinicolec]

Late app in.

Welcome to the dark side.

how late is it to apply to T6 if one is a borderline chances to begin with?

don't want to wait till next cycle but don't want to waste an app either.

According to spivey, it's a pretty good year to apply late. I don't think we ever confirmed it was a counter cycle but even if it's not beneficial to apply late, I have to imagine that given the signs of a counter cycle are there, the relative consequences to applying late are at least diminished.

That being said, I'd definitely apply soon...but I'm under the impression that applying now isn't too late at all.

i don't know how seriously to believe that applying now wouldn't dent chances drastically. i saw that post by spivey but it looks like it was motivated by a suggestion from a 0L and i don't really know what counter cycle means, like what it is.

how does this actually work that applying late one can get in when they may not have gotten in applying early? it seems counter intuitive to me.

Yeah, I'm not sure what counter-cycle means either. It's confusing lol.

Edit: but I asked about it in the Spivey thread and this was the response (not from Spivey himself, but from someone who works with him. Danielle I think).

My actual question: (was quoting another's) "I'm curious about this as well. Since the decisions are coming slower this cycle, that means they're holding on to apps longer, so how does that factor into the counter-cycle, "later might actually be better" climate?"


The response: "My assumption is that we will see a lot of schools that are slower until their application deadlines pass so that they have a better sense of their whole pool."

Based on that response, I didn't get a later might be better vibe. I got a "Everyone should expect to wait longer" vibe and maybe the idea is that applying later won't necessarily hurt you as much as it normally would because they're holding on to applications to get a better idea of their applicant pool lol. But, based on that response, I don't see anything that points to later submissions having better odds.

[appind]

Late app in.

Welcome to the dark side.

how late is it to apply to T6 if one is a borderline chances to begin with?

don't want to wait till next cycle but don't want to waste an app either.

According to spivey, it's a pretty good year to apply late. I don't think we ever confirmed it was a counter cycle but even if it's not beneficial to apply late, I have to imagine that given the signs of a counter cycle are there, the relative consequences to applying late are at least diminished.

That being said, I'd definitely apply soon...but I'm under the impression that applying now isn't too late at all.

i don't know how seriously to believe that applying now wouldn't dent chances drastically. i saw that post by spivey but it looks like it was motivated by a suggestion from a 0L and i don't really know what counter cycle means, like what it is.

how does this actually work that applying late one can get in when they may not have gotten in applying early? it seems counter intuitive to me.

Yeah, I'm not sure what counter-cycle means either. It's confusing lol.

Edit: but I asked about it in the Spivey thread and this was the response (not from Spivey himself, but from someone who works with him. Danielle I think).

My actual question: (was quoting another's) "I'm curious about this as well. Since the decisions are coming slower this cycle, that means they're holding on to apps longer, so how does that factor into the counter-cycle, "later might actually be better" climate?"


The response: "My assumption is that we will see a lot of schools that are slower until their application deadlines pass so that they have a better sense of their whole pool."

Based on that response, I didn't get a later might be better vibe. I got a "Everyone should expect to wait longer" vibe and maybe the idea is that applying later won't necessarily hurt you as much as it normally would because they're holding on to applications to get a better idea of their applicant pool lol. But, based on that response, I don't see anything that points to later submissions having better odds.

i think it's possible that it may not hurt as much to apply this late, but i think it'd hurt one's chances compared to applying early anyway.
i saw the post by spivey about "better sense of their whole pool" but is there any clear evidence that top schools are much slower this time around?

i was wondering if there's a way to know the %age of admits that go to people who apply after Jan 20 vs who apply earlier (after normalizing for their difference in # of applications between these groups). i mean, is their a way to know selectivity rate after a certain date vs before?

LSN usually has useful data, but not sure if it records the date of the application.

[brinicolec]

Late app in.

Welcome to the dark side.

how late is it to apply to T6 if one is a borderline chances to begin with?

don't want to wait till next cycle but don't want to waste an app either.

According to spivey, it's a pretty good year to apply late. I don't think we ever confirmed it was a counter cycle but even if it's not beneficial to apply late, I have to imagine that given the signs of a counter cycle are there, the relative consequences to applying late are at least diminished.

That being said, I'd definitely apply soon...but I'm under the impression that applying now isn't too late at all.

i don't know how seriously to believe that applying now wouldn't dent chances drastically. i saw that post by spivey but it looks like it was motivated by a suggestion from a 0L and i don't really know what counter cycle means, like what it is.

how does this actually work that applying late one can get in when they may not have gotten in applying early? it seems counter intuitive to me.

Yeah, I'm not sure what counter-cycle means either. It's confusing lol.

Edit: but I asked about it in the Spivey thread and this was the response (not from Spivey himself, but from someone who works with him. Danielle I think).

My actual question: (was quoting another's) "I'm curious about this as well. Since the decisions are coming slower this cycle, that means they're holding on to apps longer, so how does that factor into the counter-cycle, "later might actually be better" climate?"


The response: "My assumption is that we will see a lot of schools that are slower until their application deadlines pass so that they have a better sense of their whole pool."

Based on that response, I didn't get a later might be better vibe. I got a "Everyone should expect to wait longer" vibe and maybe the idea is that applying later won't necessarily hurt you as much as it normally would because they're holding on to applications to get a better idea of their applicant pool lol. But, based on that response, I don't see anything that points to later submissions having better odds.

i think it's possible that it may not hurt as much to apply this late, but i think it'd hurt one's chances compared to applying early anyway.
i saw the post by spivey about "better sense of their whole pool" but is there any clear evidence that top schools are much slower this time around?

i was wondering if there's a way to know the %age of admits that go to people who apply after Jan 20 vs who apply earlier (after normalizing for their difference in # of applications between these groups). i mean, is their a way to know selectivity rate after a certain date vs before?

LSN usually has useful data, but not sure if it records the date of the application.

I think LSN has the information you might be looking for but you'd have to record/calculate it yourself by looking at data from the cycles (unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to download a spreadsheet of it or something). It's possible that you can look to see when first major waves went out, and when they seemed to start admitting folks from the less appealing part of the applicant pool (such as people like me with low GPAs). I know CLS seems to be right on schedule.

[blossomisaloaf]

Hey y'all! Long time lurker first time poster. Figured it might be time to share some info.

I've been looking for some posts from Latinx Rights Scholarship applicants from the last few years but I still haven't seen anything. So hello to all future/current LRS applicants who might come across this post!

LSAT: >25%
GPA: 50%

URM
Very strong softs especially relevant to this scholarship

Submitted: 1/1
UR1: 1/4
UR2: 1/20

Not too certain how things will turn out. My stats are pretty weak compared to a lot of y'all but I'm still hopeful!

[Instrumental]

Hey y'all! Long time lurker first time poster. Figured it might be time to share some info.

I've been looking for some posts from Latinx Rights Scholarship applicants from the last few years but I still haven't seen anything. So hello to all future/current LRS applicants who might come across this post!

LSAT: >25%
GPA: 50%

URM
Very strong softs especially relevant to this scholarship

Submitted: 1/1
UR1: 1/4
UR2: 1/20

Not too certain how things will turn out. My stats are pretty weak compared to a lot of y'all but I'm still hopeful!

Best of luck and welcome! =)

[brinicolec]

Does anyone have info on the Law & Business Leadership scholly?

I'm confused. Is it for people who want to end up partners in BL or people that just want a law bgd???? lol

[jonofalltrades]

Hey y'all! Long time lurker first time poster. Figured it might be time to share some info.

I've been looking for some posts from Latinx Rights Scholarship applicants from the last few years but I still haven't seen anything. So hello to all future/current LRS applicants who might come across this post!

LSAT: >25%
GPA: 50%

URM
Very strong softs especially relevant to this scholarship

Submitted: 1/1
UR1: 1/4
UR2: 1/20

Not too certain how things will turn out. My stats are pretty weak compared to a lot of y'all but I'm still hopeful!

I applied to LRS! Not feeling good about being admitted, and even if I do get admitted, not feeling great about the scholly. The (informal, unrepresentative) survey on TLS showing just a handful of apps to LRS is giving me some hope, though

[jonofalltrades]

i think it's possible that it may not hurt as much to apply this late, but i think it'd hurt one's chances compared to applying early anyway.
i saw the post by spivey about "better sense of their whole pool" but is there any clear evidence that top schools are much slower this time around?

i was wondering if there's a way to know the %age of admits that go to people who apply after Jan 20 vs who apply earlier (after normalizing for their difference in # of applications between these groups). i mean, is their a way to know selectivity rate after a certain date vs before?

LSN usually has useful data, but not sure if it records the date of the application.

Is this what you're looking for? http://mylsn.info/r/pre-law/timeline/chart/

[appind]

i think it's possible that it may not hurt as much to apply this late, but i think it'd hurt one's chances compared to applying early anyway.
i saw the post by spivey about "better sense of their whole pool" but is there any clear evidence that top schools are much slower this time around?

i was wondering if there's a way to know the %age of admits that go to people who apply after Jan 20 vs who apply earlier (after normalizing for their difference in # of applications between these groups). i mean, is their a way to know selectivity rate after a certain date vs before?

LSN usually has useful data, but not sure if it records the date of the application.

Is this what you're looking for? http://mylsn.info/r/pre-law/timeline/chart/

this is very useful, it seems to show the month of the app sent and result stats for that.

chances already look bad for apps sent in January, not to mention ones after Jan 20th. assume there is no way to get to that granularity?

also, it seems like the pool of applicants who apply earlier may already have strong numbers than those who apply late in late Jan. so one can't go strictly by the % of acceptance for each month. it needs to be corrected for pool strength. any way to access that using these website?

[hellohalo]

i think it's possible that it may not hurt as much to apply this late, but i think it'd hurt one's chances compared to applying early anyway.
i saw the post by spivey about "better sense of their whole pool" but is there any clear evidence that top schools are much slower this time around?

i was wondering if there's a way to know the %age of admits that go to people who apply after Jan 20 vs who apply earlier (after normalizing for their difference in # of applications between these groups). i mean, is their a way to know selectivity rate after a certain date vs before?

LSN usually has useful data, but not sure if it records the date of the application.

Is this what you're looking for? http://mylsn.info/r/pre-law/timeline/chart/

this is very useful, it seems to show the month of the app sent and result stats for that.

chances already look bad for apps sent in January, not to mention ones after Jan 20th. assume there is no way to get to that granularity?

also, it seems like the pool of applicants who apply earlier may already have strong numbers than those who apply late in late Jan. so one can't go strictly by the % of acceptance for each month. it needs to be corrected for pool strength. any way to access that using these website?

http://mylsn.info/r/pre-law/admissions/search/

You can adjust the strength of the app by setting the numbers. And compare the timeline difference by picking "submitted between".

[and-peggy]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

[Rigo]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

[and-peggy]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

I'll be doing the FAFSA for federal loans, but everything I've seen has said you don't need parent info for that (for government purposes, at least). You just need it for whatever internal application the individual law schools are using, like the CSS form. That could be wrong, but that's what the financial aid people at the forums have been saying.

[Rigo]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

I'll be doing the FAFSA for federal loans, but everything I've seen has said you don't need parent info for that (for government purposes, at least). You just need it for whatever internal application the individual law schools are using, like the CSS form. That could be wrong, but that's what the financial aid people at the forums have been saying.

Oh no you're probably right I just haven't done any of it yet and don't know what to do, so thank you for clarifying.

[ashrice13]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

I'll be doing the FAFSA for federal loans, but everything I've seen has said you don't need parent info for that (for government purposes, at least). You just need it for whatever internal application the individual law schools are using, like the CSS form. That could be wrong, but that's what the financial aid people at the forums have been saying.

When I completed my FAFSA the first step was they asked me a few questions to determine if I needed to include parental info. Things like age, marital status, if I have dependent, etc. I thought you had to include parental info in some cases (22. Single, lives at home, etc). I could be wrong though.

But no...if you know for sure they won't give you need based then it probably doesn't hurt to apply for merit based only. However, personally, i'd go through the annoyance and gather all info an apply for need based too. You just never know...and I would want every option I could have in front of me.

[zeglo]

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[jjcorvino]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

I'll be doing the FAFSA for federal loans, but everything I've seen has said you don't need parent info for that (for government purposes, at least). You just need it for whatever internal application the individual law schools are using, like the CSS form. That could be wrong, but that's what the financial aid people at the forums have been saying.

When I completed my FAFSA the first step was they asked me a few questions to determine if I needed to include parental info. Things like age, marital status, if I have dependent, etc. I thought you had to include parental info in some cases (22. Single, lives at home, etc). I could be wrong though.

But no...if you know for sure they won't give you need based then it probably doesn't hurt to apply for merit based only. However, personally, i'd go through the annoyance and gather all info an apply for need based too. You just never know...and I would want every option I could have in front of me.

Just apply for both regardless.

I think for certain people it is possible that it might hurt them to apply for both. If they see someone that has a lot of money (or parents), they might be able to give them less and still have them attend. It might factor into the merit consideration.

[airwrecka]

Hi, everyone! Was there ever any consensus about whether it's a bad idea to apply for merit-based aid only? Considering I'll have to be reporting two doctors' info (dad and step-mom) along with my mother's, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be eligible for any need-based aid. I'd rather not have to gather and send all of that in if it's not going to do me any good.

Don't you still need to do the FAFSA if youre taking out gov't loans at all? Or are you not taking out loans period?

I'll be doing the FAFSA for federal loans, but everything I've seen has said you don't need parent info for that (for government purposes, at least). You just need it for whatever internal application the individual law schools are using, like the CSS form. That could be wrong, but that's what the financial aid people at the forums have been saying.

When I completed my FAFSA the first step was they asked me a few questions to determine if I needed to include parental info. Things like age, marital status, if I have dependent, etc. I thought you had to include parental info in some cases (22. Single, lives at home, etc). I could be wrong though.

But no...if you know for sure they won't give you need based then it probably doesn't hurt to apply for merit based only. However, personally, i'd go through the annoyance and gather all info an apply for need based too. You just never know...and I would want every option I could have in front of me.

Just apply for both regardless.

I think for certain people it is possible that it might hurt them to apply for both. If they see someone that has a lot of money (or parents), they might be able to give them less and still have them attend. It might factor into the merit consideration.

This is what I am afraid of!! I am in the same boat as and-peggy, essentially (very certain I will not qualify for need-based aid). I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do, but the school I am most worried about the answer to this question is Columbia, which theoretically/apparently doesn't offer any merit-based aid other than Butlers and Hamiltons (half and full scholarships given with acceptance). I've already been accepted but didn't receive one of those awards, so I don't want to give up on the hope of a scholarship, so I'm not sure if I should bite the bullet and just apply for the need-based aid anyway....I'm also waiting for a (hopefully) significantly better LSAT score to come in, and I want to use that to help me out.

[patttt]

Anybody else been UR1 since early december?

[armc808]

Anybody else been UR1 since early december?

UR1 since 12/12

[TudoBem]

Anybody else been UR1 since early december?

+1

[sigree]

Anybody else been UR1 since early december?

+1

Since 12/28 - I feel forgotten.

[Keilz]

Anybody else been UR1 since early december?

+1

Since 12/28 - I feel forgotten.

UR2 10/31

[TudoBem]

I read NYU last year's thread and I saw people UR2 for 5 months...Since Oct and only got decision end of March...the wait is real!

[brinicolec]

I read NYU last year's thread and I saw people UR2 for 5 months...Since Oct and only got decision end of March...the wait is real!

Okay um... Did any of those people get an acceptance? That's the thing that I really care about. If people can sit UR for 5 months and still be accepted, my faith will be restored in not having to worry TOO much lol