Georgetown C/O 2019 Applicants (2015-2016) Forum

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[hammocklv06]

Having an exceptionally good day during the LSAT doesn't outweigh 4 years of great grades.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

Directly from U.S. News Ranking methodology:
"Median LSAT scores (0.125)
Median undergraduate GPA (0.10)"

Apparently that exceptionally good day does outweigh 4 years of great grades, by exactly 0.025.

There are also a lot more circumstances surrounding variation of uGPA, such as how many other competing responsibilities you were balancing, rigor of UG program, etc., whereas the LSAT is standardized.

[OtterLaw]

Seriously, can we all just drop this debate? I'm sorry I ever brought it up. We are all going to think that our strengths are more valuable than our weaknesses. Some of us have great LSAT scores, some of us have great GPAs. It's pointless to sit here and defend which of our numbers is better. A lot of work goes into obtaining both numbers, so let's stop pitting them against each other. Sunshine and rainbows y'all. Now let's hug it out and get back to being miserable while we wait for adcomms to hate us. Lol

[lolRCscrewyou]

Having an exceptionally good day during the LSAT doesn't outweigh 4 years of great grades.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

Directly from U.S. News Ranking methodology:
"Median LSAT scores (0.125)
Median undergraduate GPA (0.10)"

Apparently that exceptionally good day does outweigh 4 years of great grades, by exactly 0.025.

There are also a lot more circumstances surrounding variation of uGPA, such as how many other competing responsibilities you were balancing, rigor of UG program, etc., whereas the LSAT is standardized.

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

[lymenheimer]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

[BirdLawExpert]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

[lolRCscrewyou]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

Really though, we just all need to stop being so salty. The reality of it is that some members of admissions teams value LSAT/GPA over the other for equally valid reasons. You can't bring up your <3.3 GPAs at this point and we (realistically) can't crack that 170 either. Just gotta hope that your app falls into the hands of someone who appreciates your strong suits.

[lymenheimer]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

Really though, we just all need to stop being so salty. The reality of it is that some members of admissions teams value LSAT/GPA over the other for equally valid reasons. You can't bring up your <3.3 GPAs at this point and we (realistically) can't crack that 170 either. Just gotta hope that your app falls into the hands of someone who appreciates your strong suits.

Except I'm technically a splitter and was accepted. I'd love to see your methodology for comparing this cycle to last over splitter/need-to-retaker acceptances. As well as across the different schools for this cycle. Just because you see a trend on TLS (if it is even a trend - I haven't been checking on the spreadsheets), doesn't mean it's actually true in connection with the entire cycle. Also, there's a difference between being "reverse-splitter friendly" and being "GPA preferential". One implies they give a shit about you, and the other implies what is more likely the case: they give a shit about your GPA. In the second case, your LSAT is less important, meaning they aren't exceptionally friendly to people who have high GPA/low LSAT, but instead are friendly to anyone who falls under the high GPA category...unless you think they are filtering their credential search for "reverse-splitter".

[lolRCscrewyou]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

Really though, we just all need to stop being so salty. The reality of it is that some members of admissions teams value LSAT/GPA over the other for equally valid reasons. You can't bring up your <3.3 GPAs at this point and we (realistically) can't crack that 170 either. Just gotta hope that your app falls into the hands of someone who appreciates your strong suits.

Except I'm technically a splitter and was accepted. I'd love to see your methodology for comparing this cycle to last over splitter/need-to-retaker acceptances. As well as across the different schools for this cycle. Just because you see a trend on TLS (if it is even a trend - I haven't been checking on the spreadsheets), doesn't mean it's actually true in connection with the entire cycle. Also, there's a difference between being "reverse-splitter friendly" and being "GPA preferential". One implies they give a shit about you, and the other implies what is more likely the case: they give a shit about your GPA. In the second case, your LSAT is less important, meaning they aren't exceptionally friendly to people who have high GPA/low LSAT, but instead are friendly to anyone who falls under the high GPA category...unless you think they are filtering their credential search for "reverse-splitter".

I don't really understand what you are trying to argue. All I said was a high LSAT will not always overshadow a crap GPA and a below-average LSAT will not necessarily have a person overlooked if they excelled against their peers at their undergrad. That's apparent with some splitters getting rejected to places where reverse-splitters are getting in. And relax, it SOMETIMES occurs like this, no one is trying to say it is an absolute.

This isn't something you can argue against. There is just different strokes for different folks/admissions teams. We all fall victim to them anyways, so chillax

[BirdLawExpert]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

Really though, we just all need to stop being so salty. The reality of it is that some members of admissions teams value LSAT/GPA over the other for equally valid reasons. You can't bring up your <3.3 GPAs at this point and we (realistically) can't crack that 170 either. Just gotta hope that your app falls into the hands of someone who appreciates your strong suits.

I think this is the main thing that bothers us splitters when reverse splitters talk about their situations. I was already graduated from school when I decided I wanted to go to law school, so there is literally no possible way for me to improve my GPA. Knowing that, I spent a massive amount of time and resources to improve my LSAT from the 159 I scored when I began studying to the 174 I eventually scored on test day, because I knew it was the only way I could get into a school where I would get a reasonable ROI.

So for me, someone who studied virtually every minute of the day for two months in order to improve in the only way that is possible for me, it seems like reverse splitters aren't saying that they can't improve, they're saying that they don't want to put in the energy. I am absolutely certain that this isn't the truth for anywhere close to all reverse splitters, but the tendency to think in those terms is still there. If I had a great GPA, and all I had to do to virtually ensure my acceptance to the best law schools in the world was work my ass off for a test score on a test that can be "learned", I would do whatever it took to get that score.

That's the disconnect from the splitter's perspective, at least for me. I'm 100% jealous of the fact that you have the GPA to be competitive at these schools without acing the LSAT, but I also find it difficult to accept the fact that you can't crack the test score that you need to be a shoe-in based on my own experience with preparing for the test.

[lymenheimer]

I guess you didn't follow my quoting...

Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly.

Methodology and proof for your claims here plz.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way

Pretty absolute terms for someone who is just referring to "some splitters".

[lolRCscrewyou]

I guess you didn't follow my quoting...

Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly.

Methodology and proof for your claims here plz.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way

Pretty absolute terms for someone who is just referring to "some splitters".

That is not absolute, that is pretty open. One can usually understand the implicit "not 'some' splitters"

This is absolute: every single reverse splitter will always get in before a splitter, every single time. Period.

Was that said? Use that logic of yours that got you that high LSAT

As far as methodology, I can only go off of what lawschoolnumbers gives me. As someone in the low 90th percentile for LSAT and top 5% GPA at my university, I have obsessively gone through profiles of people this cycle with numbers like mine and those with higher LSATs but lower GPAs. It's just a trend I've noticed that profiles like mine are getting accepted and some with the latter (since apparently you need that "some" in there) are not. Those are MY observations, as I'm sure many reverse-splitters are getting rejected to places splitters are getting into. I just havent noticed many T-14 schools doing that.

If you're asking if I ran an analysis on every single applicant I've noticed then alas, I concede and you win.

[Specter1389]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

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Well I had a 2.98 LSAC GPA and a 170 LSAT. I was accepted to Georgetown and Virginia, so apparently Georgetown is accepting splitters.

[lolRCscrewyou]

That's cool, except US News Rankings isn't on the admissions teams. Honestly, there are only a few T14 schools that have been super splitter-friendly. Most have been reverse-splitter friendly. Yay for us!

There's no such thing as a reverse splitter. That's just a person who needs to retake.

Apparently Georgetown and other T-14s who accept us and not splitters don't feel the same way haha.

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Well I had a 2.98 LSAC GPA and a 170 LSAT. I was accepted to Georgetown and Virginia, so apparently Georgetown is accepting splitters.

Have mercy on my soul, people are reading my posts way too literally and are assuming I'm saying that every case is this. Yikes.

[lymenheimer]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

[squirtlesquad14]

I thought we had already put the GPA vs LSAT debate to bed. It's not a discussion that is going anywhere, and is just clogging up the thread with a splitter vs reverse-splitter pissing match.

[lolRCscrewyou]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

Ah yes, I thought this was a blog and not an actual legal document and simplified language could be used. I didn't realize you needed everything spelled out in it's entirety to understand it. My fault I suppose. I will keep this in mind for the future

[lymenheimer]

I thought we had already put the GPA vs LSAT debate to bed. It's not a discussion that is going anywhere, and is just clogging up the thread with a splitter vs reverse-splitter pissing match.

This one was re: splitter-friendliness. A bit different, but still useless. I just wanted to know what sort of evidence there was to prove that...Clearly there is none, so there is no need to continue to flaunt it like it's a crest of honor.

[BirdLawExpert]

I thought we had already put the GPA vs LSAT debate to bed. It's not a discussion that is going anywhere, and is just clogging up the thread with a splitter vs reverse-splitter pissing match.

I'm just bored, I don't really care about splitter vs reverse-splitter, I just think it's funny that people think the 4 hours vs 4 years argument holds water. I didn't get good at taking tests in 4 hours, and reverse-splitters didn't get great at school in just 4 years.

[lolRCscrewyou]

I thought we had already put the GPA vs LSAT debate to bed. It's not a discussion that is going anywhere, and is just clogging up the thread with a splitter vs reverse-splitter pissing match.

+1 I'm done. It went from "schools have their preferences" to nit-picking of language. Zero interest in continuing this conversation.

On another note, WHO'S READY FOR SCHOLARSHIP INFO?!

[131377]

Does anyone know when Georgetown sends out scholarship info? Was accepted back on 12/13.

Do we hear email or something?

[lymenheimer]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

Ah yes, I thought this was a blog and not an actual legal document and simplified language could be used. I didn't realize you needed everything spelled out in it's entirety to understand it. My fault I suppose. I will keep this in mind for the future

Dunno how tailoring your comments to allow people to understand your thoughts makes it a legal document. Cool hyperbole though. Seems we have found your forte.

[lolRCscrewyou]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

Ah yes, I thought this was a blog and not an actual legal document and simplified language could be used. I didn't realize you needed everything spelled out in it's entirety to understand it. My fault I suppose. I will keep this in mind for the future

Dunno how tailoring your comments to allow people to understand your thoughts makes it a legal document. Cool hyperbole though. Seems we have found your forte.

Homie, you need to step off real quick.

[lymenheimer]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

Ah yes, I thought this was a blog and not an actual legal document and simplified language could be used. I didn't realize you needed everything spelled out in it's entirety to understand it. My fault I suppose. I will keep this in mind for the future

Dunno how tailoring your comments to allow people to understand your thoughts makes it a legal document. Cool hyperbole though. Seems we have found your forte.

Homie, you need to step off real quick.

Lol or what? You've been going back on yourself so many times you'd probably knock yourself out if you're making threats over here. And since you are trying to get big, I'll put the piece that I deleted re this comment:

+1 I'm done. It went from "schools have their preferences" to nit-picking of language. Zero interest in continuing this conversation.

It went from "Most of the T14 prefer reverse-splitters" to "I didn't say that." Of course you have no interest in continuing this conversation, because it makes no sense to change your mind this many times unless you're MPD. In which case, idk which of you has zero interest in continuing the convo.

[lolRCscrewyou]

Don't make such broad-sweeping comments if you don't want people to misunderstand them. But I see that RC wasn't your strong suit, so I guess you can't tailor your comments so that it is easier for others.

Ah yes, I thought this was a blog and not an actual legal document and simplified language could be used. I didn't realize you needed everything spelled out in it's entirety to understand it. My fault I suppose. I will keep this in mind for the future

Dunno how tailoring your comments to allow people to understand your thoughts makes it a legal document. Cool hyperbole though. Seems we have found your forte.

Homie, you need to step off real quick.

Lol or what? You've been going back on yourself so many times you'd probably knock yourself out if you're making threats over here. And since you are trying to get big, I'll put the piece that I deleted re this comment:

+1 I'm done. It went from "schools have their preferences" to nit-picking of language. Zero interest in continuing this conversation.

It went from "Most of the T14 prefer reverse-splitters" to "I didn't say that." Of course you have no interest in continuing this conversation, because it makes no sense to change your mind this many times unless you're MPD. In which case, idk which of you has zero interest in continuing the convo.

Maybe you should look at this cycle and how applicants are doing instead of running your mouth. I gave my anecdote and why I believe that to be so. How about instead of spending your free time attempting to nit-pick language, you prove why my beliefs are incorrect? I know that may seem extreme to bring in your own evidence instead of demanding it from others, but it is an option.

Actually, please don't do so. I have no desire to reply to you any further. Continue to be a jack if that's what makes you feel better though.