Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[Assasindowntheavenue]

Hope you guys have been following up on this controversy at Harvard. Honestly reduces my respect for the university: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/opini ... .html?_r=1

Sort of hard to take an op-ed from NYT at face value and not think they have their own agenda. IMO.

The op-ed is written by one of the affected workers -- of course it has an agenda! It's up to you how you feel about the issue at hand.

Pretzel is right: the support -- on the ground and with the technical / legal consultation -- that many Harvard students have provided is heartening. If I get into the law school (BIG IF), I hope to do the same. Until then, here's a sad tweet:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billhumphreyma/stat ... 8203238400[/tweet]

Edit: I wish I had a 100 posts already so that would load smoothly. Sorry.

I do sympathize and pretty much think how pretzel thinks. I'm just saying, NYT has no authority to talk about hypocrisy, and all schools, (specially the highest ranked ones because they've been around the longest),have done/do shady stuff. So I would advise to not stress too much on these issues for now, because a) things aren't as bad as they tend to seem, and b) because fucked up things are in all institutions. Not an excuse, just advice so you don't turn into a cynic/get depressed about life in America. But like I said, that's just my opinion.

[curry1]

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[Assasindowntheavenue]

Hope you guys have been following up on this controversy at Harvard. Honestly reduces my respect for the university: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/opini ... .html?_r=1

Sort of hard to take an op-ed from NYT at face value and not think they have their own agenda. IMO.

The op-ed is written by one of the affected workers -- of course it has an agenda! It's up to you how you feel about the issue at hand.

Pretzel is right: the support -- on the ground and with the technical / legal consultation -- that many Harvard students have provided is heartening. If I get into the law school (BIG IF), I hope to do the same. Until then, here's a sad tweet:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billhumphreyma/stat ... 8203238400[/tweet]

Edit: I wish I had a 100 posts already so that would load smoothly. Sorry.

Why should they be paid more? The median household income in the U.S. is right around $50,000 and many households have two wage-earners. They currently make around $32,000 and they indisputably work jobs that nearly any able-bodied person is capable of doing. They also have not taken on debt or the opportunity costs associated with higher education. To me, it seems like they are getting paid just about right. I bet most of these Harvard students (med etc.) will be singing a different tune when they are earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year after more than a decade of higher ed and menial workers at their hospital firm etc. want higher salaries which will lower their earnings.

Curry, you clearly have a different perspective than we do. I doubt you'll change our minds or vice versa.

Before we go down a useless spiral of arguments, why don't we just call it a day.

And go back to the purpose of this thread -- wildly speculating and sometimes providing valid info about JS1s!!!!!!!

Yes! I think JS1's will begin to go out this week. Hopefully we all get calls so we can continue our arguments in Cambridge.

+1

[pretzeltime]

I disagree with all of that, to each their own and so forth, but more importantly, I want to say that I read your handle as "Assad in the shadows" and IDK what that says about me but it sure is unsettling

[Assasindowntheavenue]

I disagree with all of that, to each their own and so forth, but more importantly, I want to say that I read your handle as "Assad in the shadows" and IDK what that says about me but it sure is unsettling

Well my handle is actually a lyric from a Wilco song. So idk what that says about you either lol.

[pretzeltime]

I disagree with all of that, to each their own and so forth, but more importantly, I want to say that I read your handle as "Assad in the shadows" and IDK what that says about me but it sure is unsettling

Well my handle is actually a lyric from a Wilco song. So idk what that says about you either lol.

Wilco is way chiller than Assad, cool.

[Assasindowntheavenue]

I disagree with all of that, to each their own and so forth, but more importantly, I want to say that I read your handle as "Assad in the shadows" and IDK what that says about me but it sure is unsettling

Well my handle is actually a lyric from a Wilco song. So idk what that says about you either lol.

Wilco is way chiller than Assad, cool.

+1. Something we can agree on lol.

[forum_user]

Note that the public interest lawyer likely has significant debt, the servicing of which brings her salary closer to the H dining worker. Most public interest lawyers didn't go to T14's with great LRAP'S or H. I know this is pointless, but I would argue that H is not forcing its workers to live in "functional poverty." They made many choices, i.e. having children like the worker in the article which constrain their lives. If they didn't have children or had a spouse who also worked they would not be living in such uncertainty.

eta health insurance covers birth control doesn't it? so eliminating barriers to health care would actually help to decrease children thereby decreasing poverty and solving a big chunk of your concerns. not to mention that most PI lawyers are well aware that they could probably make more money elsewhere, they chose that debt, etc. so if choice is a factor, let's apply it equally.

[curry1]

Note that the public interest lawyer likely has significant debt, the servicing of which brings her salary closer to the H dining worker. Most public interest lawyers didn't go to T14's with great LRAP'S or H. I know this is pointless, but I would argue that H is not forcing its workers to live in "functional poverty." They made many choices, i.e. having children like the worker in the article which constrain their lives. If they didn't have children or had a spouse who also worked they would not be living in such uncertainty.

eta health insurance covers birth control doesn't it? so eliminating barriers to health care would actually help to decrease children thereby decreasing poverty and solving a big chunk of your concerns. not to mention that most PI lawyers are well aware that they could probably make more money elsewhere, they chose that debt, etc. so if choice is a factor, let's apply it equally.

I actually support a single payer system, given how ridiculously fucked up and expensive our healthcare system is. Sure, we all make choices, but H should not feel obligated to pay its dining workers extra to help pay for their healthcare costs when they are already being paid a generous wage. I would feel differently about this if the workers were getting paid like 8$ an hour and H was basically relying on the gov to pick up the tab for their healthcare costs when they inevitably would go to emergency rooms.

[cherrygalore]

Hi guys, just saying hello. I'm applying to Harvard as well and just wanted to check in here!

[pretzeltime]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

edited to be less triggering

[pretzeltime]

Hi guys, just saying hello. I'm applying to Harvard as well and just wanted to check in here!

hey ^__^

[proteinshake]

Hi guys, just saying hello. I'm applying to Harvard as well and just wanted to check in here!

hey ^__^

^__________^

I like that

[forum_user]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

bruh

[QuentonCassidy]

All quiet on the Eastern front (no slots up).

Also the strike is tentatively over, workers voting on the deal today.

[Kaziende]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

Heart skipped a beat.

[NorthDragon]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

Heart skipped a beat.

I received it in the beginning of Oct. Are we required to attend that session?

[pretzeltime]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

Heart skipped a beat.

sorry, I shouldn't have done to you what H did to me. heh

[pretzeltime]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

Heart skipped a beat.

I received it in the beginning of Oct. Are we required to attend that session?

There are several (many?) online info sessions, none of which you are required to attend.......

[cherrygalore]

Email from Harvard JD Admissions!!!!!!!!!

About an online information session.

Thanks guys

Heart skipped a beat.

I received it in the beginning of Oct. Are we required to attend that session?

There are several (many?) online info sessions, none of which you are required to attend.......

I attended one last week.

[Thelaw23]

I know the information sessions are a good way of decreasing the chances of being YP'ed by a school.

Unfortunately, I don't have that problem with Harvard.

[cantyoloforever]

I am a non-URM with a GPA in the 3.6-3.7 range and an LSAT score in the 168-170 range with unexceptional softs. I'm talking myself into throwing away $115 to apply to Harvard just to see what happens. Stupid, or go for it?

[call-me-bubbles]

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[cantyoloforever]

I am a non-URM with a GPA in the 3.6-3.7 range and an LSAT score in the 168-170 range with unexceptional softs. I'm talking myself into throwing away $115 to apply to Harvard just to see what happens. Stupid, or go for it?

Absolutely go for it. Your numbers aren't so wildly out of range that it's impossible, even though it may be unlikely according to myLSN and the folks on TLS, but I'm a big believer in at least throwing one's hat in the ring. For me, that $115 was probably a waste, and it may ultimately be for you, too, but I think it's always worth a try; you never know.

All it took was one comment to make me pull the trigger haha.

[potterotter]

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