Michigan c/o 2020 applicants (2016-17) Forum

[nerdylsat]

I was notified of my scholly and the letter said it is not their practice to "compete" with other law schools regarding schollys.

How much truth is there to this? I'm thinking of asking them for more because why not

[theboringest]

Yeah we need some brave sucker to test out this "we don't negotiate" line.

[angrypepe]

if you go to their website's JD Admissions -> Think Michigan -> Financial Aid, there is information about scholarship which suggests it can be negotiated.

[HopefulVaultDweller]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

[Chipotle85]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, but that goes against multiple accounts given on this board. Maybe this year they've decided to not negotiate, but I kind of doubt it. Did you include any other offers that you have received?

[goldenbear2020]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

TBH, from their perspective, everyone is "able to attend" by taking out loans for the full COA, so absent competing offers, that isn't a good enough reason to ask for more money.

[chandhi]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

Does this mean people could try to negotiate before getting their offer from UMich, then?

[RParadela]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

Do you have a scholarship offer that's more than 75k in the T14? You can't negotiate without some sort of leverage

[proteinshake]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

Does this mean people could try to negotiate before getting their offer from UMich, then?

no they will negotiate just like any other school. people have already done it in this thread IIRC. and people did it last year for sure.

[4'sup]

Got 150,000 deans scholly. didn't write a why michigan. The schools like fabulous to be honest. so beautiful, love the lawyers club, and the general vibe it seems to have(close knit community away from the "football school" atmosphere of the undergrad), but I want to stay in california. Being in ann arbor would make it a pain to have anyone visit me or to visit anyone else.(don't want to have to go to detroit everytime i want to fly out).

[Anon.y.mousse.]

Got 150,000 deans scholly. didn't write a why michigan. The schools like fabulous to be honest. so beautiful, love the lawyers club, and the general vibe it seems to have(close knit community away from the "football school" atmosphere of the undergrad), but I want to stay in california. Being in ann arbor would make it a pain to have anyone visit me or to visit anyone else.(don't want to have to go to detroit everytime i want to fly out).

DTW is like 15-20 minutes from Ann Arbor.

[sorence]

Got 150,000 deans scholly. didn't write a why michigan. The schools like fabulous to be honest. so beautiful, love the lawyers club, and the general vibe it seems to have(close knit community away from the "football school" atmosphere of the undergrad), but I want to stay in california. Being in ann arbor would make it a pain to have anyone visit me or to visit anyone else.(don't want to have to go to detroit everytime i want to fly out).

I had a family friend leave the bay for Mich; she said that it was easier than she anticipated to travel back home/to have relatives come to visit and she'd choose Mich again in a heartbeat. To be honest I'm praying to get admitted (also a CA native) and have similar worries, but my friend's experience calms me a bit.

[Sarastro]

Got 150,000 deans scholly. didn't write a why michigan. The schools like fabulous to be honest. so beautiful, love the lawyers club, and the general vibe it seems to have(close knit community away from the "football school" atmosphere of the undergrad), but I want to stay in california. Being in ann arbor would make it a pain to have anyone visit me or to visit anyone else.(don't want to have to go to detroit everytime i want to fly out).

I had a family friend leave the bay for Mich; she said that it was easier than she anticipated to travel back home/to have relatives come to visit and she'd choose Mich again in a heartbeat. To be honest I'm praying to get admitted (also a CA native) and have similar worries, but my friend's experience calms me a bit.

YMMV, but from my experience of moving around for work and school once you get outside of driving range, pretty much everywhere is equidistant nowadays as far as convenience of travel. It's a lot easier to drive 5 hours than book a flight, but it's just as easy to fly to Michigan as it is to fly to Florida or Washington or whatever. Detroit is close enough to AA that I don't think it's much further of a drive than from most city suburbs to the airport. Everyone has different feelings on traveling though!

[nyu2019maybeplease]

PM me

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

[HopefulVaultDweller]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

Do you have a scholarship offer that's more than 75k in the T14? You can't negotiate without some sort of leverage

Yup. Have a much higher one from Cornell. Sure lower ranked school but do have leverage. It's not about the leverage though, from what they emailed me, they won't change scholarship decision once made. The email said it's because their faculty decided to prohibit it as a policy.

[HopefulVaultDweller]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

TBH, from their perspective, everyone is "able to attend" by taking out loans for the full COA, so absent competing offers, that isn't a good enough reason to ask for more money.

International student here buddy. Can't get loans. Check your US citizen privilege

[HopefulVaultDweller]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, but that goes against multiple accounts given on this board. Maybe this year they've decided to not negotiate, but I kind of doubt it. Did you include any other offers that you have received?

Yup, have other offers that are financially better - Michigan is my top choice but cest la vie. All are lower ranked unfortunately (still T-14) but with the POTUS out to get all international people, it's likely it will be better to be in a private school anyway - don't want the federal government to make funding to schools contingent on international students not receiving financial aid. (Also please no one start a political argument off of this, not the intention and it has no place on this forum)

[RParadela]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, but that goes against multiple accounts given on this board. Maybe this year they've decided to not negotiate, but I kind of doubt it. Did you include any other offers that you have received?

Yup, have other offers that are financially better - Michigan is my top choice but cest la vie. All are lower ranked unfortunately (still T-14) but with the POTUS out to get all international people, it's likely it will be better to be in a private school anyway - don't want the federal government to make funding to schools contingent on international students not receiving financial aid. (Also please no one start a political argument off of this, not the intention and it has no place on this forum)

Don't get caught up on rankings. Cornell has better BigLaw employment numbers than Michigan even though Cornell is lower ranked. Obviously if you just really like Michigan that's another story, but just because Michigan is ranked #8 doesn't mean it's nescessarily better than Cornell or NW or Duke.

[HopefulVaultDweller]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, but that goes against multiple accounts given on this board. Maybe this year they've decided to not negotiate, but I kind of doubt it. Did you include any other offers that you have received?

Yup, have other offers that are financially better - Michigan is my top choice but cest la vie. All are lower ranked unfortunately (still T-14) but with the POTUS out to get all international people, it's likely it will be better to be in a private school anyway - don't want the federal government to make funding to schools contingent on international students not receiving financial aid. (Also please no one start a political argument off of this, not the intention and it has no place on this forum)

Don't get caught up on rankings. Cornell has better BigLaw employment numbers than Michigan even though Cornell is lower ranked. Obviously if you just really like Michigan that's another story, but just because Michigan is ranked #8 doesn't mean it's nescessarily better than Cornell or NW or Duke.

Thank's I appreciate that. Still waiting on scholarships from some other T-14s and a couple T-20 schools. I did really like Michigan (for non-employment reasons) but you're right, from a long term and employment perspective Cornell is better and so are most of the other schools I got into. Gonna wait on need-based aid from Mich and see if I can make it then. It's kinda disheartening though in that people with similar stats got closer to 120k and I had really good softs as well. In any case, I'm glad I got in and 75k is not negligible. I'm from a really small, backwards country so it's honestly a miracle I even got this far. But anyway, don't know if they negotiate in general, maybe they just wouldn't in my case - just reporting on the response I got from them.

[nyu2019maybeplease]

If you're willing to commit to Michigan and the money is just a bit short, PM me. Let's talk through your negotiating.

[charles117]

Status: Incomplete - In Process

ive had this since 1/08/2017

[goldenbear2020]

Status: Incomplete - In Process

ive had this since 1/08/2017

Submitted 1/4 and complete 2/6, so maybe tomorrow for you?

[Fiddlesticks]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, but that goes against multiple accounts given on this board. Maybe this year they've decided to not negotiate, but I kind of doubt it. Did you include any other offers that you have received?

Yup, have other offers that are financially better - Michigan is my top choice but cest la vie. All are lower ranked unfortunately (still T-14) but with the POTUS out to get all international people, it's likely it will be better to be in a private school anyway - don't want the federal government to make funding to schools contingent on international students not receiving financial aid. (Also please no one start a political argument off of this, not the intention and it has no place on this forum)

Don't get caught up on rankings. Cornell has better BigLaw employment numbers than Michigan even though Cornell is lower ranked. Obviously if you just really like Michigan that's another story, but just because Michigan is ranked #8 doesn't mean it's nescessarily better than Cornell or NW or Duke.

Thank's I appreciate that. Still waiting on scholarships from some other T-14s and a couple T-20 schools. I did really like Michigan (for non-employment reasons) but you're right, from a long term and employment perspective Cornell is better and so are most of the other schools I got into. Gonna wait on need-based aid from Mich and see if I can make it then. It's kinda disheartening though in that people with similar stats got closer to 120k and I had really good softs as well. In any case, I'm glad I got in and 75k is not negligible. I'm from a really small, backwards country so it's honestly a miracle I even got this far. But anyway, don't know if they negotiate in general, maybe they just wouldn't in my case - just reporting on the response I got from them.

I was able to negotiate significant increases last year. I think timing plays a major role. HopefulVaultDweller, try emailing them in another 6 weeks, seriously.

[Mr_Chukes]

Just awarded a $150,000 dean's scholarship

Details in LSN under user "Trojan_horse"

Great job bro, saw you on LSN. You are killing it!

[goldenbear2020]

Brave sucker here. Got 75k from them. Unfortunately there is only a very small chance of being able to attend with that amount so I emailed them and explained my financial situation (which is not pretty). They replied that they do not negotiate over merit aid once awarded even though they understand my situation. It was actually a very long email and almost certainly not prewritten because there were mistakes in it so I'm glad they took the time to write it. If you look at their website, it actually says they ONLY compete if there was NO merit or need based offer. Lawyered.

It's sad but it does not look like they do compete. My UMich ambitions have been blown into shreds.

TBH, from their perspective, everyone 98% of the class is "able to attend" by taking out loans for the full COA, so absent competing offers, that usually isn't a good enough reason to ask for more money.

International student here buddy. Can't get loans. Check your US citizen privilege

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