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[beef26]

taken from the financial aid facebook, FWIW:

"Incoming students: our first round of financial aid awards is going out this morning, and will include both student loans and any scholarships that you have been offered. If you met our priority filing deadline of February 20 and filed a FAFSA, you should hear from us today.
Going forward (beginning March 12) we will send out financial aid awards for "new filers" on Thursdays. It is not too late to apply for student loans! Complete your 2015-2016 FAFSA here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/"

looks like they will send in batches

[sheishkabob]

taken from the financial aid facebook, FWIW:

"Incoming students: our first round of financial aid awards is going out this morning, and will include both student loans and any scholarships that you have been offered. If you met our priority filing deadline of February 20 and filed a FAFSA, you should hear from us today.
Going forward (beginning March 12) we will send out financial aid awards for "new filers" on Thursdays. It is not too late to apply for student loans! Complete your 2015-2016 FAFSA here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/"

looks like they will send in batches

Now I'm even more worried...do you think emails are still trickling out? Or was it all at once? Just re-checked and everything was definitely submitted before my acceptance at the end of Jan. I can't access any award on their website, it just says "inquiry denied" for financial aid

[Lightworks]

It's worth keeping in mind the likelihood that women are getting significantly more scholarship money than men, to make up for a gender imbalance in last year's class.

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

[accessislife]

taken from the financial aid facebook, FWIW:

"Incoming students: our first round of financial aid awards is going out this morning, and will include both student loans and any scholarships that you have been offered. If you met our priority filing deadline of February 20 and filed a FAFSA, you should hear from us today.
Going forward (beginning March 12) we will send out financial aid awards for "new filers" on Thursdays. It is not too late to apply for student loans! Complete your 2015-2016 FAFSA here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/"

looks like they will send in batches

o_O oh no. so schollys are included..yikes. worth debt financing full tuition at UVA?

[Hand]

taken from the financial aid facebook, FWIW:

"Incoming students: our first round of financial aid awards is going out this morning, and will include both student loans and any scholarships that you have been offered. If you met our priority filing deadline of February 20 and filed a FAFSA, you should hear from us today.
Going forward (beginning March 12) we will send out financial aid awards for "new filers" on Thursdays. It is not too late to apply for student loans! Complete your 2015-2016 FAFSA here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/"

looks like they will send in batches

o_O oh no. so schollys are included..yikes. worth debt financing full tuition at UVA?

not if you can get a good discount elsewhere

[Mack.Hambleton]

taken from the financial aid facebook, FWIW:

"Incoming students: our first round of financial aid awards is going out this morning, and will include both student loans and any scholarships that you have been offered. If you met our priority filing deadline of February 20 and filed a FAFSA, you should hear from us today.
Going forward (beginning March 12) we will send out financial aid awards for "new filers" on Thursdays. It is not too late to apply for student loans! Complete your 2015-2016 FAFSA here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/"

looks like they will send in batches

o_O oh no. so schollys are included..yikes. worth debt financing full tuition at UVA?

no, if you got into UVA you should have at least some money from other T14 im guessing, Cornell and NW both place better than UVA also in biglaw

[narwhalsrfun]

^ Same situation. Emailed asking for more competitive aid talked about full scholarship offers from other schools

[swampman]

It's worth keeping in mind the likelihood that women are getting significantly more scholarship money than men, to make up for a gender imbalance in last year's class.

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

Exactly. I doubt they have enough money to actually flip it to 65% women, but I bet they will at least hit 50-50.

[nickhalden]

It's worth keeping in mind the likelihood that women are getting significantly more scholarship money than men, to make up for a gender imbalance in last year's class.

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

Exactly. I doubt they have enough money to actually flip it to 65% women, but I bet they will at least hit 50-50.

If this is true, fuck my penis I hate being a man.

Edit: Phrasing

[Shelbinole]

It's worth keeping in mind the likelihood that women are getting significantly more scholarship money than men, to make up for a gender imbalance in last year's class.

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

Exactly. I doubt they have enough money to actually flip it to 65% women, but I bet they will at least hit 50-50.

I'm a girl and I got nothing with pretty good #s so I don't think it has anything to do with gender

[swampman]

I'm a girl and I got nothing with pretty good #s so I don't think it has anything to do with gender

Yeah, obviously a ton more goes into it than just gender. Really was just trying to point out that comparing your numbers to other people is not especially useful for late-game scholarship purposes. Demographics and softs (especially things that will effect the employment score, like work experience) actually matter after they've nailed down their medians.

[BigCreamy]

At least in Lightworks' case, it's hard to imagine they would accept someone with a 174 LSAT at this point in the cycle if they weren't going to offer a decent scholarship. They must know you're probably going to be accepted at NYU/Columbia, and get good money from lower T14s.

From a YP standpoint, it makes no sense to accept >75th LSATs and lowball them, unless they're well below 25th GPA. I think you'll be ok

[nickhalden]

At least in Lightworks' case, it's hard to imagine they would accept someone with a 174 LSAT at this point in the cycle if they weren't going to offer a decent scholarship. They must know you're probably going to be accepted at NYU/Columbia, and get good money from lower T14s.

From a YP standpoint, it makes no sense to accept >75th LSATs and lowball them, unless they're well below 25th GPA. I think you'll be ok

And yet that's been happening at UVA and Duke. I realize the logic of not lowballing a high-number admittee for YP, but it's definitely happening.

[Lightworks]

At least in Lightworks' case, it's hard to imagine they would accept someone with a 174 LSAT at this point in the cycle if they weren't going to offer a decent scholarship. They must know you're probably going to be accepted at NYU/Columbia, and get good money from lower T14s.

From a YP standpoint, it makes no sense to accept >75th LSATs and lowball them, unless they're well below 25th GPA. I think you'll be ok

lol, I appreciate that. The way this cycle has gone for me, I'm not going to get my hopes up though.

[BigCreamy]

At least in Lightworks' case, it's hard to imagine they would accept someone with a 174 LSAT at this point in the cycle if they weren't going to offer a decent scholarship. They must know you're probably going to be accepted at NYU/Columbia, and get good money from lower T14s.

From a YP standpoint, it makes no sense to accept >75th LSATs and lowball them, unless they're well below 25th GPA. I think you'll be ok

And yet that's been happening at UVA and Duke. I realize the logic of not lowballing a high-number admittee for YP, but it's definitely happening.

Granted I'm only going by LSN and its limited sample, but Duke seems to be pretty gentle with the YP, at least compared to Penn/UVA historically. And from what I see, most high LSAT admits at UVA are doing well this cycle. There are a couple exceptions, but most either have <<<25th GPAs, or it's hard to tell if they're updating their profiles.

[try.honesty]

It's worth keeping in mind the likelihood that women are getting significantly more scholarship money than men, to make up for a gender imbalance in last year's class.

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

Exactly. I doubt they have enough money to actually flip it to 65% women, but I bet they will at least hit 50-50.

If this is true, fuck my penis I hate being a man.

Edit: Phrasing

I've tried to come up with some witty one-liner response to this, and thought maybe I'd just let it go because I didn't want to be "that person" in the thread/send things off-topic, so I won't continue this argument beyond this, but I feel it has to be said. You realize you just made light of what was, in reality, a very lengthy article about a culture of rape pervasive to UVA's undergrad social scene as a way to make yourself feel better about not getting into UVA's law school? You "hate being a man" because UVA Law could potentially be recruiting women more heavily this year due to the article about rape and their past gender imbalances? So you're saying you hate being a man/men are "SOL" because in past years, men seem to have been favored in UVA's process and it's been exposed that women on UVA's campus are being raped/encouraged not to report rape? The original comment, that UVA may be recruiting women with scholarships more heavily, could potentially be true. And I realize some of the later comments were more directed at correcting that imbalance than the "rape hoax" comment (which, please do more research about what was actually said afterwards before blanket calling it a hoax), but I still find the line of reasoning expressed in this exchange very troubling.

[Dipper]

Add in that whole rape-hoax fiasco right in the middle of app season, men might just be SOL this cycle...

Got to hope they are just writing it off as a one-year blip, and not trying to reverse that entire imbalance this year.

Exactly. I doubt they have enough money to actually flip it to 65% women, but I bet they will at least hit 50-50.

If this is true, fuck my penis I hate being a man.

Edit: Phrasing

I've tried to come up with some witty one-liner response to this, and thought maybe I'd just let it go because I didn't want to be "that person" in the thread/send things off-topic, so I won't continue this argument beyond this, but I feel it has to be said. You realize you just made light of what was, in reality, a very lengthy article about a culture of rape pervasive to UVA's undergrad social scene as a way to make yourself feel better about not getting into UVA's law school? You "hate being a man" because UVA Law could potentially be recruiting women more heavily this year due to the article about rape and their past gender imbalances? So you're saying you hate being a man/men are "SOL" because in past years, men seem to have been favored in UVA's process and it's been exposed that women on UVA's campus are being raped/encouraged not to report rape? The original comment, that UVA may be recruiting women with scholarships more heavily, could potentially be true. And I realize some of the later comments were more directed at correcting that imbalance than the "rape hoax" comment (which, please do more research about what was actually said afterwards before blanket calling it a hoax), but I still find the line of reasoning expressed in this exchange very troubling.

+1. Especially to the "rape-hoax" comment.

[nickhalden]

I've tried to come up with some witty one-liner response to this, and thought maybe I'd just let it go because I didn't want to be "that person" in the thread/send things off-topic, so I won't continue this argument beyond this, but I feel it has to be said. You realize you just made light of what was, in reality, a very lengthy article about a culture of rape pervasive to UVA's undergrad social scene as a way to make yourself feel better about not getting into UVA's law school? You "hate being a man" because UVA Law could potentially be recruiting women more heavily this year due to the article about rape and their past gender imbalances? So you're saying you hate being a man/men are "SOL" because in past years, men seem to have been favored in UVA's process and it's been exposed that women on UVA's campus are being raped/encouraged not to report rape? The original comment, that UVA may be recruiting women with scholarships more heavily, could potentially be true. And I realize some of the later comments were more directed at correcting that imbalance than the "rape hoax" comment (which, please do more research about what was actually said afterwards before blanket calling it a hoax), but I still find the line of reasoning expressed in this exchange very troubling.

I'll send a PM in more detail (to avoid bring us off topic completely), but I also wanted to respond publically to this post. You bring up a lot of good points. First, in no way would I seek to make light of horrible events which were publicized at UVA and which occur daily on campuses across America. Rape is a serious issue. Campus rape is a serious issue which deserves a harsh spotlight in every form. I have had two very close friends, a male and a female, be sexually assaulted at school. If I've made light of rape in this thread, I deeply apologize.

I don't think UVA aggressively trying to gender balance its class. I definitely don't think they would do so as a result of the UVA rape stories in the media. My comment (and subsequent edit) was intended as a witty - albeit likely inappropriate - follow-up.

To reiterate: I apologize if I inadvertantly made light of rapes in general and campus rapes in particular. I don't think UVA is being aggressive at gender balancing its class, and I certainly hope it isn't for my sake (I'm still pending). In an on-topic response, there's been a double 75th female that's received a low offer. I think there's more to UVA's scholly strategy than we've yet discovered.

[pushsum123]

I've tried to come up with some witty one-liner response to this, and thought maybe I'd just let it go because I didn't want to be "that person" in the thread/send things off-topic, so I won't continue this argument beyond this, but I feel it has to be said. You realize you just made light of what was, in reality, a very lengthy article about a culture of rape pervasive to UVA's undergrad social scene as a way to make yourself feel better about not getting into UVA's law school? You "hate being a man" because UVA Law could potentially be recruiting women more heavily this year due to the article about rape and their past gender imbalances? So you're saying you hate being a man/men are "SOL" because in past years, men seem to have been favored in UVA's process and it's been exposed that women on UVA's campus are being raped/encouraged not to report rape? The original comment, that UVA may be recruiting women with scholarships more heavily, could potentially be true. And I realize some of the later comments were more directed at correcting that imbalance than the "rape hoax" comment (which, please do more research about what was actually said afterwards before blanket calling it a hoax), but I still find the line of reasoning expressed in this exchange very troubling.

I'll send a PM in more detail (to avoid bring us off topic completely), but I also wanted to respond publically to this post. You bring up a lot of good points. First, in no way would I seek to make light of horrible events which were publicized at UVA and which occur daily on campuses across America. Rape is a serious issue. Campus rape is a serious issue which deserves a harsh spotlight in every form. I have had two very close friends, a male and a female, be sexually assaulted at school. If I've made light of rape in this thread, I deeply apologize.

I don't think UVA aggressively trying to gender balance its class. I definitely don't think they would do so as a result of the UVA rape stories in the media. My comment (and subsequent edit) was intended as a witty - albeit likely inappropriate - follow-up.

To reiterate: I apologize if I inadvertantly made light of rapes in general and campus rapes in particular. I don't think UVA is being aggressive at gender balancing its class, and I certainly hope it isn't for my sake (I'm still pending). In an on-topic response, there's been a double 75th female that's received a low offer. I think there's more to UVA's scholly strategy than we've yet discovered.

If the sentence is conditional, it's probably not a true apology.

[Lightworks]

I do apologize for my highly insensitive wording. I only meant "rape-hoax" as a short-hand for the incident, not as a literal statement. It was a terrible choice of words, and you were right to be upset with it. It was not intended as a larger comment on campus rape. I only meant that the highly publicized nature of the incident likely dissuaded a number of female candidates from applying.

On the other issue, not to derail the topic, but just because the demographics were way out of line last year does not mean that men were "favored", and women discriminated against. What possible reason could the school have for deliberately trying to create a dramatic gender imbalance? UVA is typically around 55/45, and the difference between that and last year is about +/- 25 students. When you're dealing with a relatively small group, variations like that will happen. It doesn't even mean that women were necessarily hurt by last year's cycle. We don't know what the male/female acceptance rate was, only the enrollment. Maybe an inordinate number got better offers somewhere else.

I don't want to speak for other posters, but what I was bemoaning was the fact that this statistical blip (and that's all I think it was) was potentially going to have a negative impact on certain members of this year's cycle, myself included in that group.

[brightthru2014]

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[swampman]

I do apologize for my highly insensitive wording. I only meant "rape-hoax" as a short-hand for the incident, not as a literal statement. It was a terrible choice of words, and you were right to be upset with it. It was not intended as a larger comment on campus rape. I only meant that the highly publicized nature of the incident likely dissuaded a number of female candidates from applying.

On the other issue, not to derail the topic, but just because the demographics were way out of line last year does not mean that men were "favored", and women discriminated against. What possible reason could the school have for deliberately trying to create a dramatic gender imbalance? UVA is typically around 55/45, and last year happened to be wonky. When you're dealing with a relatively small group, variations like that will happen. It doesn't even mean that women were necessarily hurt by last year's cycle. Maybe an inordinate number got better offers somewhere else.

I don't want to speak for other posters, but what I was bemoaning was the fact that this statistical blip (and that's all I think it was) was potentially going to have a negative impact on certain members of this year's cycle, myself included in that group. Selfish? If you want to call it that.

Yeah, I definitely took that as a short-hand. It's a forum, people are writing quickly. Let me rephrase my original comments. Regardless of what actually happened in that situation, the university community is taking sexual assault, and feminist issues generally, extremely seriously. Especially given the current climate at UVA and last year's class makeup, the law school community would be incredibly disappointed in the admissions staff if they fail to admit a balanced class. The best way to get more women to attend is by offering them more money. So hopefully the admissions staff is doing that.

The only reason I even brought that up was all the people saying "I have a 169/3.7 and no scholarship, and that person got a Dillard." I just wanted to point out that the admissions staff is actually concerned with things other than numbers, so don't take it so personally if you didn't get the same deal as someone else with your stats, and don't necessarily expect the same scholarship.

[swampman]

Out of curiosity, what sort of stats did other waitlisted candidates have?

http://uva.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1415 has the best data you're going to get right now, but the answer is all sorts of stats. A mix of splitters and Yield Protects, a bunch of 167s with below median gpas, and a couple URMs with really low stats.

[usn26]

The UVA thread gives me hypertension. So much drama on here lol.

[secadc11]

At this point in the cycle, what is the turnaround from interview to decision looking like?