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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by slurpy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:30 pm

beef26 wrote:Scholarship decision mailed today (2/19)

Scholarship Interview was 1/6. late to getting needaccess in...oops
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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by nickhalden » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:01 pm

It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Mack.Hambleton » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:07 pm

nickhalden wrote:It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?
YP. They only want people who are actually going to come

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Clemenceau » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:14 pm

nickhalden wrote:It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?
I'm guessing they have a pretty low yield rate among the above both 75th non-mordecai applicants

Offering 60-80k to the 3.6/170s probably yields more bang for their buck than offering 120k+ to the 3.9/173s

So I guess doubling down would be an accurate description. But I'm just spitballing here

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Mack.Hambleton » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:16 pm

yeah if you're above 75ths and didn't got a mordecai youre probably not going to get a good offer

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by nickhalden » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:19 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
nickhalden wrote:It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?
YP. They only want people who are actually going to come
But wouldn't offering lowball scholarships be the opposite of YP? You've accepted a Double 75th but give him a lowball offer that he could never rationally accept. It just seems irrational to lowball a Double 75th candidate. I haven't even participated in the scholarship process so I have no personal chit yet, but it just seems like an odd strategy.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by LoganCouture » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:35 pm

nickhalden wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:
nickhalden wrote:It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?
YP. They only want people who are actually going to come
But wouldn't offering lowball scholarships be the opposite of YP? You've accepted a Double 75th but give him a lowball offer that he could never rationally accept. It just seems irrational to lowball a Double 75th candidate. I haven't even participated in the scholarship process so I have no personal chit yet, but it just seems like an odd strategy.
It's just that they can't lock up their limited scholarship $$$ promising huge offers to people who aren't very likely to attend. Maybe by slightly lowballing their above 75ths candidates, they allow for candidates to sort of demonstrate interest by negotiating. Presumably people with better or similar options elsewhere and little to no interest in Duke specifically are less likely to bother to negotiate Duke's offer but those who would seriously consider Duke with $$$ will try to bump their award higher.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by compass » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:37 pm

lc39 wrote:
nickhalden wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:
nickhalden wrote:It seems like a lot of high scorers are getting lowballed on scholarship offers. Why is it?
  • Is Duke doubling down on their 25-50 LSATs (giving more money than usual) to hold their medians?
  • Is Duke actually considering need aid substantially? This could entail lowering awards for high scoring candidates with no need or lowering awards for high scoring candidates to give more awards to the class as a whole.
Also: for a moment, my parents seemed reticent to give out their financial information for Need Access. If a parent refuses to do this, are you eliminated from need aid completely?
YP. They only want people who are actually going to come
But wouldn't offering lowball scholarships be the opposite of YP? You've accepted a Double 75th but give him a lowball offer that he could never rationally accept. It just seems irrational to lowball a Double 75th candidate. I haven't even participated in the scholarship process so I have no personal chit yet, but it just seems like an odd strategy.
It's just that they can't lock up their limited scholarship $$$ promising huge offers to people who aren't very likely to attend. Maybe by slightly lowballing their above 75ths candidates, they allow for candidates to sort of demonstrate interest by negotiating. Presumably people with better or similar options elsewhere and little to no interest in Duke specifically are less likely to bother to negotiate Duke's offer but those who would seriously consider Duke with $$$ will try to bump their award higher.
What is a lowball offer for an above 75ths candidate?

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by ptz » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:43 pm

Is Priority Reserve for a 177 clear YP? Was one of my top choices.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by JFO1833 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:27 pm

ptz wrote:Is Priority Reserve for a 177 clear YP? Was one of my top choices.
I would guess so but there is no way to know for sure.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Mack.Hambleton » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:47 pm

ptz wrote:Is Priority Reserve for a 177 clear YP? Was one of my top choices.
Unless there's a problem with your app and/or you've been waitlisted other places

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Winston1984 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:16 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
ptz wrote:Is Priority Reserve for a 177 clear YP? Was one of my top choices.
Unless there's a problem with your app and/or you've been waitlisted other places
Also, we would need to know gpa.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by beef26 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:38 pm

slurpy wrote:
beef26 wrote:Scholarship decision mailed today (2/19)

Scholarship Interview was 1/6. late to getting needaccess in...oops
When did you finish NeedAccess?
2/8.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by pylon » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:54 am

Winston1984 wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:
ptz wrote:Is Priority Reserve for a 177 clear YP? Was one of my top choices.
Unless there's a problem with your app and/or you've been waitlisted other places
Also, we would need to know gpa.
Yeah, you can't really say if it's YP or not without GPA. Also IIRC writing a LOCI on the reserve at Duke is useful, so if you really want to go there, stick with it; good luck!

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by PowerHungry » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:48 pm

I'm not withdrawing or anything, but I certainly feel forgotten.

RD, complete in mid Nov, under review early Dec, nothing since.

LSAT and GPA both between 25/50

Am I just fooling myself thinking I have a shot yet?

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by Decisions Decisions » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:07 pm

PowerHungry wrote:I'm not withdrawing or anything, but I certainly feel forgotten.

RD, complete in mid Nov, under review early Dec, nothing since.

LSAT and GPA both between 25/50

Am I just fooling myself thinking I have a shot yet?

Similar situation here. RD, complete in early October and under review since 12/8.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by KMart » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:10 pm

PowerHungry wrote:I'm not withdrawing or anything, but I certainly feel forgotten.

RD, complete in mid Nov, under review early Dec, nothing since.

LSAT and GPA both between 25/50

Am I just fooling myself thinking I have a shot yet?
I'm with ya except my GPA is a bit higher and my LSAT is a bit lower.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by keekztresq » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:24 pm

imKMart wrote:
PowerHungry wrote:I'm not withdrawing or anything, but I certainly feel forgotten.

RD, complete in mid Nov, under review early Dec, nothing since.

LSAT and GPA both between 25/50

Am I just fooling myself thinking I have a shot yet?
I'm with ya except my GPA is a bit higher and my LSAT is a bit lower.
^^^same here!!! It has been very frustrating, especially considering i have heard from everywhere else in losing scholarships!

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by wonka » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:36 pm

Randomly accepted via email at 6:00pm EST today. Really happy! Curious to see how the scholarship interview turns out.

Submitted 1/1. 1 UR date, 1/26.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by usernotfound » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:46 pm

Also RD under review 12/8. Would be nice to get some sort of update.

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Post by KMart » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:54 pm

usernotfound wrote:Also RD under review 12/8. Would be nice to get some sort of update.
I say that, but of course I mean update as in "acceptance" and nothing else :lol:.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by commandercup » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:57 pm

Priority reserve today. :!:

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by janwlee » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:40 am

During the scholarship interview, is it a good idea to tell them that I'm also admitted to Michigan with half tuition, and it'd be really great if Duke can be as generous since I would LOVE to be able to avoid the cold weather and attend Duke?

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usernotfound wrote:Also RD under review 12/8. Would be nice to get some sort of update.

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Re: Duke Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle)

Post by radio1nowhere » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:02 am

janwlee wrote:During the scholarship interview, is it a good idea to tell them that I'm also admitted to Michigan with half tuition, and it'd be really great if Duke can be as generous since I would LOVE to be able to avoid the cold weather and attend Duke?
I think it might be a little forward to do that during your scholarship interview. Maybe save it until you see what your Duke award is and then try to haggle from there if it's not enough?

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