U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[seancris]

Chill out all! I was super late W/L last cycle... and my advantage over the median is attitude and perspective. Every type A who reads this hates it, because non-assholes with this attitude always win...ok not-everyone, but enough to tell them to stick it up their ass.

That's nice that you were okay with being W/L super late, but I have a husband, three pets, and a house. I need to know asap where I'll be going to school so my husband can ask his company for a transfer (if necessary), we can rent or sell our house, etc.

You seem to be in good shape with your index. IIRC it was around 5.8? If so, I wouldn't worry much about admissions. It's just a matter of time and it's coming sooner rather than later. Easy for me to say, maybe. But if UF is your top choice I would make plans to stay with that index.

[UMiamiCane]

Thanks, yes I think I should get in, but money is also an issue. UF is my first choice but if I get $$ at WUSTL and none at UF then I have a difficult decision to make. I know this info won't come until much later...

[seancris]

I kind of feel like they should have their admitted students web page up and running before they start admitting students.

http://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/admitted/

[disconnected]

More food for thought
I copied this from last year's thread:

Index for currently “Review complete, decision Pending”:
5.70
5.70
5.70
5.70
5.60
Index for the Last admitted batch (compiled by Barbie):
5.818(5.80)
5.755(5.80)
5.792(5.80)
5.790(5.80)
5.785(5.80)
5.733(5.70)
5.708(5.70)

The obvious difference is that the LSAT index is rounded. So I went ahead and round Barbie's data and enclosed it in parenthesis for direct comparison with my data above it.

How to calculate your index:
0.029*LSAT + 0.282*GPA + 0.05

I read on LSAC.org that University of Florida is .026*LSAT + 0.347*GPA + .254
Am I wrong?

[MichNole19]

They adjusted the numbers for the 2011-2012 cycle Which doesn't help when your LSAT is more impressive than your GPA.

[seancris]

They adjusted the numbers for the 2011-2012 cycle Which doesn't help when your LSAT is more impressive than your GPA.

So which one is up to date?

[MichNole19]

I believe- University of Florida is .026*LSAT + 0.347*GPA + .254
Are the correct numbers but we have nothing to compare it to since last year they had a different formula other than those who have already been accepted.

If you don't mind me asking, what was your index using the new formula? Or anyone else that has recieved an acceptance letter.

[seancris]

I believe- University of Florida is .026*LSAT + 0.347*GPA + .254
Are the correct numbers but we have nothing to compare it to since last year they had a different formula other than those who have already been accepted.

If you don't mind me asking, what was your index using the new formula? Or anyone else that has recieved an acceptance letter.

5.88... which is lower than the old index, since I was at 5.905 or so IIRC.

[legalgirly]

Does anybody know the lowest index number UF accepted last year?

[UMiamiCane]

Oh great. Sorry for putting out the index for last year's cycle, it was either not updated or I scrolled too far and didn't look at the dates.

My new index sucks
5.68729

[KibblesnBitts]

More food for thought
I copied this from last year's thread:

Index for currently “Review complete, decision Pending”:
5.70
5.70
5.70
5.70
5.60
Index for the Last admitted batch (compiled by Barbie):
5.818(5.80)
5.755(5.80)
5.792(5.80)
5.790(5.80)
5.785(5.80)
5.733(5.70)
5.708(5.70)

The obvious difference is that the LSAT index is rounded. So I went ahead and round Barbie's data and enclosed it in parenthesis for direct comparison with my data above it.

How to calculate your index:
0.029*LSAT + 0.282*GPA + 0.05

I read on LSAC.org that University of Florida is .026*LSAT + 0.347*GPA + .254
Am I wrong?

I hope my 5.71 will be accepted then x.x - stupid LSAT score and Freshman GPA.

[UMiamiCane]

I wonder if since the index formula changed, if we can really base our predictions on last year's index admissions. Maybe the cutoffs are different this year too.

[KibblesnBitts]

I wonder if since the index formula changed, if we can really base our predictions on last year's index admissions. Maybe the cutoffs are different this year too.

Yeah good point. I am still suffering over LSAT remorse - took 30 PTs, lowest I got on the LG section was 4 wrong, averaged 1-2 wrong. On the actual October LSAT, I got 8 wrong, so I wake up daily hitting myself wondering why I blew the section...

Oh well, hoping for the Law School Gods to throw me a bone or two during the admissions cycle.

[seancris]

I wonder if since the index formula changed, if we can really base our predictions on last year's index admissions. Maybe the cutoffs are different this year too.

I wouldn't base anything off of last year's index. There are too many variables. A 5.6 this year might be as good as a 5.7 last year or it might not be, there's no way of knowing exactly what they're looking for.

If any of you guys are worried about probability of getting in, lawschoolpredictor.com is pretty useful in case anyone hasn't heard of it. It said I was auto-admit to two schools (only ones I've applied to so far) and I have been. So far pretty accurate. edit to clarify: I'm under the impression that "admit" on LSP typically means auto-admit, whereas "strong consider" usually means an admission later in the cycle.

[KibblesnBitts]

I wonder if since the index formula changed, if we can really base our predictions on last year's index admissions. Maybe the cutoffs are different this year too.

I wouldn't base anything off of last year's index. There are too many variables. A 5.6 this year might be as good as a 5.7 last year or it might not be, there's no way of knowing exactly what they're looking for.

If any of you guys are worried about probability of getting in, lawschoolpredictor.com is pretty useful in case anyone hasn't heard of it. It said I was auto-admit to two schools (only ones I've applied to so far) and I have been. So far pretty accurate.

Yeah, I applied to over my fair share of schools. While I applied to 3 safeties (Rutgers Newark, Seton Hall, and California Western) - I'm a New Jersey native, a majority of my schools are under the "Consider" realm. Meaning, I may receive a lot of rejections and 3 acceptances, or I may get a plethora of law schools to choose from. Again, the law school gods have to throw a couple of bones to go my way.

[UMiamiCane]

also of course lawschoolnumbers.com. I prefer this site since I'm a splitter and I can see actual numbers of people who have applied.

wouldn't base anything off of last year's index. There are too many variables. A 5.6 this year might be as good as a 5.7 last year or it might not be, there's no way of knowing exactly what they're looking for.

One thing this year's index shows though is they are putting more emphasis on GPA and less on LSAT- not good for people like me

[disconnected]

My best guess after pouring over the numbers is:
5.80+ gets you in
5.749 - 5.65 gets you in March/April
5.649 - 5.60 gets you wait listed
All non-URM.

Ideas: 5.60 people better work hard on their diversity statements.
5.55 and below people must retake.

[MichNole19]

Someone told me to find the index number using both 75% numbers and anything above that would be auto admit and then using both the 25% numbers would be reject pile. I'm not sure how offical that is but it at least helps to put your number in perspective. The new formula certainly hurt my number as well...

Good thing is LSAT exams are down so hopefully admissions will have to adjust the formula and take some higher LSAT scores to make up for my mediocre GPA.

[UMiamiCane]

My best guess after pouring over the numbers is:
5.80+ gets you in
5.749 - 5.65 gets you in March/April
5.649 - 5.60 gets you wait listed
All non-URM.

Ideas: 5.60 people better work hard on their diversity statements.
5.55 and below people must retake.

How'd you determine this?

[KibblesnBitts]

How'd you determine this?

I'm just hoping he's right haha.

[UMiamiCane]

How'd you determine this?

I'm just hoping he's right haha.

Not me! I can't wait that long!

[disconnected]

How'd you determine this?

Trial and error with numbers.

http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Publi ... ac5812.pdf
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=11
http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Publi ... ba5812.pdf
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7&t=164404
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7&t=127383
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5&t=108329

[seancris]

I think this talk about the indexes is kind of overblown. We don't really know how they evaluate indexes. We do have a pretty good idea of what it takes to get in, though, just based on numbers. If you're in the bottom 25% in one category, you should be in the top 25% in the other for a good shot. If you're at median in one category and top 25% in the other you should be in good shape. Median in both should be fine but might get in later than others.

Reasonable floors for GPA and LSAT are probably 3.0 and 158, respectively.

It's pretty intuitive and predictable, just on the basis of the numbers without the index.

And splitters should be in decent shape. Last year I remember a student was an early admit with a 3.1ish/164. So clearly a high LSAT seem compensate for a lower-end GPA. Conversly, a 4.0 student would probably get in later in the cycle, possible WL, with a 158.

You're only likely to be in bad shape in terms of admission if you apply late (no one here) or you are below both medians.

[UMiamiCane]

Just an FYI, the numbers on here are outdated:
http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Publi ... ba5812.pdf


5.60421 index for 25%
5.72908 index for median
5.84354 index for 75%

UF's GPAs are really high- I don't know why they don't want to raise their LSAT median- I wish I could tell them hey, look at me with this LSAT score, let me in and I'll attend and help raise the LSAT median

[UMiamiCane]

I think this talk about the indexes is kind of overblown. We don't really know how they evaluate indexes. We do have a pretty good idea of what it takes to get in, though, just based on numbers. If you're in the bottom 25% in one category, you should be in the top 25% in the other for a good shot. If you're at median in one category and top 25% in the other you should be in good shape. Median in both should be fine but might get in later than others.

Reasonable floors for GPA and LSAT are probably 3.0 and 158, respectively.

It's pretty intuitive and predictable, just on the basis of the numbers without the index.

And splitters should be in decent shape. Last year I remember a student was an early admit with a 3.1ish/164. So clearly a high LSAT seem compensate for a lower-end GPA. Conversly, a 4.0 student would probably get in later in the cycle, possible WL, with a 158.

You're only likely to be in bad shape in terms of admission if you apply late (no one here) or you are below both medians.

Yes, good point.
I think if the index formula was the same as last year, then if could be a good indication, but not so much now- until we start seeing the trend for the current apps.