Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[American_in_China]

Here is my wild speculation:

It seems like they have split a great many of us in groups: a UR 12/19, a UR 12/22 batch and a UR 1/03 batch (that is the second UR batch for many 12/22ers). Perhaps one batch falls in the stronger category and one in a weaker category.

I'm in the UR 12/19 and no second UR date batch, which I think is the weaker batch because maybe we are unofficially "on hold" while they have given 1/03 people the bump to the next level.

I'm a guy though so I'm always splitting everyone into strong and weak categories. And I love to bash myself so I put myself in the weak group. I know many will disagree with this, so let me repeat, this is wild speculation.

Yes. Also, there was a 12/21 batch, which seemed to be the second one for many 12/19ers. Seemed like a likely YP group.

+1, 12/21 as second update, I consider myself as a likely YP.

So 12/19 is a waitlist group then? Weak but not awful candidates, and yield protect candidates? Well that sucks- I'm a 12/19er.

[Nelson]

Here is my wild speculation:

It seems like they have split a great many of us in groups: a UR 12/19, a UR 12/22 batch and a UR 1/03 batch (that is the second UR batch for many 12/22ers). Perhaps one batch falls in the stronger category and one in a weaker category.

I'm in the UR 12/19 and no second UR date batch, which I think is the weaker batch because maybe we are unofficially "on hold" while they have given 1/03 people the bump to the next level.

I'm a guy though so I'm always splitting everyone into strong and weak categories. And I love to bash myself so I put myself in the weak group. I know many will disagree with this, so let me repeat,this is wild speculation.

None of this is supported by the UR date patterns of people who have already gotten decisions. UR dates are unconnected to decision outcomes and are at best loosely tied to when you submitted.

[crumpledq]

Here is my wild speculation:

It seems like they have split a great many of us in groups: a UR 12/19, a UR 12/22 batch and a UR 1/03 batch (that is the second UR batch for many 12/22ers). Perhaps one batch falls in the stronger category and one in a weaker category.

I'm in the UR 12/19 and no second UR date batch, which I think is the weaker batch because maybe we are unofficially "on hold" while they have given 1/03 people the bump to the next level.

I'm a guy though so I'm always splitting everyone into strong and weak categories. And I love to bash myself so I put myself in the weak group. I know many will disagree with this, so let me repeat, this is wild speculation.

To contribute to the wild speculation, I'll add that your theory is supported by the fact that I have a 12/19 update with no 1/3 update, and I'd consider myself a weak candidate. Though I'm more of a weird candidate than traditionally weak one.

I also am 12/19 with no 1/3 and if I remember correctly my numbers are very close if not identical to yours...


But also, just to give us some hope, I don't think WL and acceptances are always so easy to glean from status updates. Especially this cycle.

In case it's helpful to other 12/19ers, my numbers are LSAT>178 (taken once) and GPA <3.1 (medical addendum; had 3.9x GPA my last two years with several awards/honors). I'm also a Penn alum. And now I've probably outed myself to any lurking adcom staff I love you, Penn!

[crumpledq]

Here is my wild speculation:

It seems like they have split a great many of us in groups: a UR 12/19, a UR 12/22 batch and a UR 1/03 batch (that is the second UR batch for many 12/22ers). Perhaps one batch falls in the stronger category and one in a weaker category.

I'm in the UR 12/19 and no second UR date batch, which I think is the weaker batch because maybe we are unofficially "on hold" while they have given 1/03 people the bump to the next level.

I'm a guy though so I'm always splitting everyone into strong and weak categories. And I love to bash myself so I put myself in the weak group. I know many will disagree with this, so let me repeat,this is wild speculation.

None of this is supported by the UR date patterns of people who have already gotten decisions. UR dates are unconnected to decision outcomes and are at best loosely tied to when you submitted.

Nelson, buddy, way to spoil the wild speculation party with real facts and actual experience

[quaker10]

Here is my wild speculation:

It seems like they have split a great many of us in groups: a UR 12/19, a UR 12/22 batch and a UR 1/03 batch (that is the second UR batch for many 12/22ers). Perhaps one batch falls in the stronger category and one in a weaker category.

I'm in the UR 12/19 and no second UR date batch, which I think is the weaker batch because maybe we are unofficially "on hold" while they have given 1/03 people the bump to the next level.

I'm a guy though so I'm always splitting everyone into strong and weak categories. And I love to bash myself so I put myself in the weak group. I know many will disagree with this, so let me repeat, this is wild speculation.

To contribute to the wild speculation, I'll add that your theory is supported by the fact that I have a 12/19 update with no 1/3 update, and I'd consider myself a weak candidate. Though I'm more of a weird candidate than traditionally weak one.

I also am 12/19 with no 1/3 and if I remember correctly my numbers are very close if not identical to yours...


But also, just to give us some hope, I don't think WL and acceptances are always so easy to glean from status updates. Especially this cycle.

In case it's helpful to other 12/19ers, my numbers are LSAT>178 (taken once) and GPA <3.1 (medical addendum; had 3.9x GPA my last two years with several awards/honors). I'm also a Penn alum. And now I've probably outed myself to any lurking adcom staff I love you, Penn!

Way to be

[Nelson]

None of this is supported by the UR date patterns of people who have already gotten decisions. UR dates are unconnected to decision outcomes and are at best loosely tied to when you submitted.

Nelson, buddy, way to spoil the wild speculation party with real facts and actual experience

Just trying to keep everyone relaxed. No one should worry yet. Just like previous years, Penn only released a small number of RD decisions before January and almost everyone who heard back was a September submit. While many people have had two UR dates, people with all kinds of numbers have gotten in with just one so it would be tough to read much into them.

ETA: If Penn adcomms are lurking, I'm sure they know by now that you have an NYU acceptance so they're getting ready to send your acceptance to keep you from becoming an evil New Yorker.

[jpal13]

None of this is supported by the UR date patterns of people who have already gotten decisions. UR dates are unconnected to decision outcomes and are at best loosely tied to when you submitted.

Nelson, buddy, way to spoil the wild speculation party with real facts and actual experience

Just trying to keep everyone relaxed. No one should worry yet. Just like previous years, Penn only released a small number of RD decisions before January and almost everyone who heard back was a September submit. While many people have had two UR dates, people with all kinds of numbers have gotten in with just one so it would be tough to read much into them.

ETA: If Penn adcomms are lurking, I'm sure they know by now that you have an NYU acceptance so they're getting ready to send you acceptance to keep yoUu from becoming an evil New Yorker.

In my head I know my theory is ridiculous. But like I said I'm your typical male, I need to categorize. I actually smudged my numbers in earlier posts, I'm a 171, 3.6ish, so I'm worried. Very worried. I should have ED with a number closer to 3.5 than 3.8.

[erikjc]

But like I said I'm your typical male, I need to categorize.

And as you say that, you categorize yourself. But actually, I don't see the association.

[moneybagsphd]

Went complete today. Now the wait begins.

[EMZE]

None of this is supported by the UR date patterns of people who have already gotten decisions. UR dates are unconnected to decision outcomes and are at best loosely tied to when you submitted.

Nelson, buddy, way to spoil the wild speculation party with real facts and actual experience

Just trying to keep everyone relaxed. No one should worry yet. Just like previous years, Penn only released a small number of RD decisions before January and almost everyone who heard back was a September submit. While many people have had two UR dates, people with all kinds of numbers have gotten in with just one so it would be tough to read much into them.

ETA: If Penn adcomms are lurking, I'm sure they know by now that you have an NYU acceptance so they're getting ready to send you acceptance to keep yoUu from becoming an evil New Yorker.

In my head I know my theory is ridiculous. But like I said I'm your typical male, I need to categorize. I actually smudged my numbers in earlier posts, I'm a 171, 3.6ish, so I'm worried. Very worried. I should have ED with a number closer to 3.5 than 3.8.

So wait. Let me make sure I understand this situation and the logic put forth perfectly. I am currently at UR 12/21, I submitted 10/31, am I believe I had an UR some time in November. LSP gives me a weak consider, my softs are strong, and a huge crow just landed on my mailbox. This means I am a wait list?

[Take Two]

So wait. Let me make sure I understand this situation and the logic put forth perfectly. I am currently at UR 12/21, I submitted 10/31, am I believe I had an UR some time in November. LSP gives me a weak consider, my softs are strong, and a huge crow just landed on my mailbox. This means I am a wait list?

Haha this is gold!

[jpal13]

So wait. Let me make sure I understand this situation and the logic put forth perfectly. I am currently at UR 12/21, I submitted 10/31, am I believe I had an UR some time in November. LSP gives me a weak consider, my softs are strong, and a huge crow just landed on my mailbox. This means I am a wait list?

Haha this is gold!

Exactly.

[EMZE]

So wait. Let me make sure I understand this situation and the logic put forth perfectly. I am currently at UR 12/21, I submitted 10/31, am I believe I had an UR some time in November. LSP gives me a weak consider, my softs are strong, and a huge crow just landed on my mailbox. This means I am a wait list?

Haha this is gold!

Exactly.

No. Seriously. "this is gold" and "exactly" as in its a wait list..?

I want to start compiling recommendations for future law school applicants on their cycles, and I think one would honestly be not to even bother with their status checkers. They are not nearly the crystal balls we all once hoped.

[jpal13]

So wait. Let me make sure I understand this situation and the logic put forth perfectly. I am currently at UR 12/21, I submitted 10/31, am I believe I had an UR some time in November. LSP gives me a weak consider, my softs are strong, and a huge crow just landed on my mailbox. This means I am a wait list?

Haha this is gold!

Exactly.

No. Seriously. "this is gold" and "exactly" as in its a wait list..?

I want to start compiling recommendations for future law school applicants on their cycles, and I think one would honestly be not to even bother with their status checkers. They are not nearly the crystal balls we all once hoped.

Exactly as in, yes I agree it's all ridiculous spec, it's just hard to resist indulging in it. But it is completely ridiculous. My status checker for Chicago changed on Xmas, Can't tell a lot from status checker after that.

[Take Two]

yeah I agree. I thought you were trying to be funny. sorry.

[EMZE]

no it was an attempt at humor. No crow landed on my mailbox. In fact, I don't have a mailbox

[so_fetch]

Just went under review 1/03. I believe this is my first update since 11/10 complete. However, I'm not positive.

FWIW I was complete right around your date and then UR for first time week before christmas and then 2nd time 1/03. So as you alluded to, it's possible that you did have a first UR date that you missed. Or not. Who really knows with these status checkers

[msblaw89]

How many are still at 12/21 again? I forgot who my cohorts were

[msblaw89]

^^ And I'm too lazy to go back in the thread

[crumpledq]

How many are still at 12/21 again? I forgot who my cohorts were

I'm still at 12/19.

[addy11]

How many are still at 12/21 again? I forgot who my cohorts were

Me

[msblaw89]

Also, speculation here... but I am wondering if the dates coincide more so with which adcomm is reading the apps as opposed to ding, WL, admit. Maybe that is why some people who had 12/22 dates also had 1/3 dates because their adcomm was really fast? I dunno just a thought

[addy11]

Also, speculation here... but I am wondering if the dates coincide more so with which adcomm is reading the apps as opposed to ding, WL, admit. Maybe that is why some people who had 12/22 dates also had 1/3 dates because their adcomm was really fast? I dunno just a thought

Yeah. It's screwy. There are too many dates (12/19, 12/21, 12/22, 1/3... perhaps others?) and seemingly far too many permutations (some people went 2nd review on 12/19, others 1st review; some 12/19ers had another update on 12/21, others didn't, etc.) for the cadences to indicate WL, Accept, Ding (like with Cornell).

Also, you (msblaw89) and I have had very different cycles and have very different numbers. It seems that if we do end up with the same fate (whether that be accept, WL, deny), it will be for different reasons.

[msblaw89]

Also, speculation here... but I am wondering if the dates coincide more so with which adcomm is reading the apps as opposed to ding, WL, admit. Maybe that is why some people who had 12/22 dates also had 1/3 dates because their adcomm was really fast? I dunno just a thought

Yeah. It's screwy. There are too many dates (12/19, 12/21, 12/22, 1/3... perhaps others?) and seemingly far too many permutations (some people went 2nd review on 12/19, others 1st review; some 12/19ers had another update on 12/21, others didn't, etc.) for the cadences to indicate WL, Accept, Ding (like with Cornell).

Also, you (msblaw89) and I have had very different cycles and have very different numbers. It seems that if we do end up with the same fate (whether that be accept, WL, deny), it will be for different reasons.

Agree 100%.. are you 170, >3.7?

[jpal13]

Also, speculation here... but I am wondering if the dates coincide more so with which adcomm is reading the apps as opposed to ding, WL, admit. Maybe that is why some people who had 12/22 dates also had 1/3 dates because their adcomm was really fast? I dunno just a thought

This was my second theory and way more plausible. Penn is my 1st choice but I need to stop obsessing and let what will be come to be.