Michigan Law School C/O 2019 Applicants (2015-16) Forum

[texasrangersjb]

1. I just booked a trip to Vietnam during early summertime (always been my dream to go there.)
2. My current, full-time job, requires that I stay on for 2 years before they can't take any of my signing bonus back. The two year anniversary is (of course!) on June 2.

Here's where I'm a bit nervous though... both of those things, especially #2, are things I theoretically should've thought about before I said I'd be willing to attend during summer!

Summer start begins June 2. If your two-year anniversary is June 2nd, that means you could meet the requirement for taking some of your signing bonus back by having your last day of work be June 1. That would be two years at the job. Working on June 2 would be 2 years and 1 day.

Yes you would miss orientation, but is it worth going to fall start WUSTL over Michigan because you wanted to attend orientation?

I'm also in at Northwestern w/ fall start.. which might just be worth it for me (honestly I'm kind of looking for reasons to differentiate the two schools!)

I think your subconscious is just trying to make the decision easier for you.. Don't let that be why you didn't go to Michigan though, please!

[gsy987]

1. I just booked a trip to Vietnam during early summertime (always been my dream to go there.)
2. My current, full-time job, requires that I stay on for 2 years before they can't take any of my signing bonus back. The two year anniversary is (of course!) on June 2.

Here's where I'm a bit nervous though... both of those things, especially #2, are things I theoretically should've thought about before I said I'd be willing to attend during summer!

Summer start begins June 2. If your two-year anniversary is June 2nd, that means you could meet the requirement for taking some of your signing bonus back by having your last day of work be June 1. That would be two years at the job. Working on June 2 would be 2 years and 1 day.

Yes you would miss orientation, but is it worth going to fall start WUSTL over Michigan because you wanted to attend orientation?

I'm also in at Northwestern w/ fall start.. which might just be worth it for me (honestly I'm kind of looking for reasons to differentiate the two schools!)

I think your subconscious is just trying to make the decision easier for you.. Don't let that be why you didn't go to Michigan though, please!

The resolution to this was that they were able to make the switch from summer to fall without any major complaints! Thanks for all of your advice

[jg61]

1. I just booked a trip to Vietnam during early summertime (always been my dream to go there.)
2. My current, full-time job, requires that I stay on for 2 years before they can't take any of my signing bonus back. The two year anniversary is (of course!) on June 2.

Here's where I'm a bit nervous though... both of those things, especially #2, are things I theoretically should've thought about before I said I'd be willing to attend during summer!

Summer start begins June 2. If your two-year anniversary is June 2nd, that means you could meet the requirement for taking some of your signing bonus back by having your last day of work be June 1. That would be two years at the job. Working on June 2 would be 2 years and 1 day.

Yes you would miss orientation, but is it worth going to fall start WUSTL over Michigan because you wanted to attend orientation?

I'm also in at Northwestern w/ fall start.. which might just be worth it for me (honestly I'm kind of looking for reasons to differentiate the two schools!)

I think your subconscious is just trying to make the decision easier for you.. Don't let that be why you didn't go to Michigan though, please!

The resolution to this was that they were able to make the switch from summer to fall without any major complaints! Thanks for all of your advice

I also requested a change due to prior commitments. How long did they take to get back to you? Did you just e-mail? thanks

[gazorpazorp]

1. I just booked a trip to Vietnam during early summertime (always been my dream to go there.)
2. My current, full-time job, requires that I stay on for 2 years before they can't take any of my signing bonus back. The two year anniversary is (of course!) on June 2.

Here's where I'm a bit nervous though... both of those things, especially #2, are things I theoretically should've thought about before I said I'd be willing to attend during summer!

Summer start begins June 2. If your two-year anniversary is June 2nd, that means you could meet the requirement for taking some of your signing bonus back by having your last day of work be June 1. That would be two years at the job. Working on June 2 would be 2 years and 1 day.

Yes you would miss orientation, but is it worth going to fall start WUSTL over Michigan because you wanted to attend orientation?

I'm also in at Northwestern w/ fall start.. which might just be worth it for me (honestly I'm kind of looking for reasons to differentiate the two schools!)

I think your subconscious is just trying to make the decision easier for you.. Don't let that be why you didn't go to Michigan though, please!

The resolution to this was that they were able to make the switch from summer to fall without any major complaints! Thanks for all of your advice

I just attempted the same thing -- I was wondering, how did you go about broaching this subject, and how did they respond?

[CTT]

Best thing to do is just email admissions and explain why you want to switch. Keep in mind that there are several advantages to summer start. You get to take some easier classes in your third semester before OCI and you may get to start your high paying post-law school job sooner. Plus, if you want to clerk afterwords, you're in a small group of current law students who can look at clerkships that start between March and July.

They're likely to just switch you or tell you they'll get back to you as students accept or reject offers. In past years, it has seemed that the law school was sometimes willing to stoop an LSAT point lower for a summer starter who would pay full tuition, so you may have an easier time twitching if your numbers are good.

[cdavis1024]

Best thing to do is just email admissions and explain why you want to switch. Keep in mind that there are several advantages to summer start. You get to take some easier classes in your third semester before OCI and you may get to start your high paying post-law school job sooner. Plus, if you want to clerk afterwords, you're in a small group of current law students who can look at clerkships that start between March and July.

They're likely to just switch you or tell you they'll get back to you as students accept or reject offers. In past years, it has seemed that the law school was sometimes willing to stoop an LSAT point lower for a summer starter who would pay full tuition, so you may have an easier time twitching if your numbers are good.

Out of genuine curiosity and a healthy dose of skepticism, how many of those are there exactly?

[jleon25]

In via email for summer start!!

GPA>75th
LSAT=25th
Went complete 11/30

Good luck to those still waiting!!

[lymenheimer]

Out of genuine curiosity and a healthy dose of skepticism, how many of those are there exactly?

Assuming you mean "people willing to pay full price"...There are about 230/1000 on the 509 report who receive no grant aid. That's for the entire school and they, of course, don't break it down by start term.

[OtterLaw]

In via email for summer start!!

GPA>75th
LSAT=25th
Went complete 11/30

Good luck to those still waiting!!

Congrats! I have similar stats so maybe there's hope for me.

[tflan19]

Has anyone who received the "sorry we're taking forever" email heard anything? I went back and creeped on last year and it looks like a lot of the recipients were sent to the waitlist in March

[nicknar]

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[hopingtogo2016]

In yesterday and got the email this morning!

submit 1/4, complete 1/21, admit 1/28 so they moved pretty quickly on me
GPA=25% 75%<<LSAT, legacy

[meowmers]

In this morning! The first thing my girlfriend said to me when we woke up was "I think you got into U of M" and when I checked my promotions folder (of course) there it was!

LSAT>75
50<GPA<75
Complete 12/31

First T14 acceptance! Was starting to get worried there...

congrats!

[jleon25]

Has anyone who received the "sorry we're taking forever" email heard anything? I went back and creeped on last year and it looks like a lot of the recipients were sent to the waitlist in March

Yes, I got the email and was accepted this morning. There is hope!!

[jleon25]

In via email for summer start!!

GPA>75th
LSAT=25th
Went complete 11/30

Good luck to those still waiting!!

Congrats! I have similar stats so maybe there's hope for me.

There is hope! Good luck and thanks!

[tflan19]

Has anyone who received the "sorry we're taking forever" email heard anything? I went back and creeped on last year and it looks like a lot of the recipients were sent to the waitlist in March

Yes, I got the email and was accepted this morning. There is hope!!

Great!! Congratulations!

[WinterComing]

Congrats to all the new admits!

[greenapples]

Congrats everyone! I went complete pretty recently (submitted 1/4) so I'm patiently waiting for some good news!

[woodchuck78]

Has anyone who received the "sorry we're taking forever" email heard anything? I went back and creeped on last year and it looks like a lot of the recipients were sent to the waitlist in March

+1

[shaw2015]

In via email!

The admission letter is really special...I like UM already!

A foreign student from China.

[CTT]

Best thing to do is just email admissions and explain why you want to switch. Keep in mind that there are several advantages to summer start. You get to take some easier classes in your third semester before OCI and you may get to start your high paying post-law school job sooner. Plus, if you want to clerk afterwords, you're in a small group of current law students who can look at clerkships that start between March and July.

They're likely to just switch you or tell you they'll get back to you as students accept or reject offers. In past years, it has seemed that the law school was sometimes willing to stoop an LSAT point lower for a summer starter who would pay full tuition, so you may have an easier time twitching if your numbers are good.

Out of genuine curiosity and a healthy dose of skepticism, how many of those are there exactly?

If by those you meant students paying full price, see above. Incidentally, Michigan has generally offered a large portion of the class money, but not a ton of money. If by those you meant clerkships, then there are between 20 and 30 federal clerkships currently listed as available on OSCAR that start between March and July in 2017 (many judges, including a majority of the most highly selective ones, have already hired for 2017). Most judges try to have their clerks on a fall start schedule as that allows them to have recent graduates start after they take the bar in July, but sometimes things happen that knock judges off that schedule. Obviously, you still have to compete against people who have graduated from law school in past years, but you avoid competing against other students in your class year. I also know summer starters who are going to work at their firms for several months and will then move on to clerking in the fall (after they put $50,000 in their pocket). When I was looking at Michigan three years ago, I thought there might be a bias against summer starters for some reason. There's absolutely not. In fact, while firms won't care or really notice if you're a summer starter or a fall starter, many former summer starters have a particularly strong loyalty to summer starters.

[cdavis1024]

Out of genuine curiosity and a healthy dose of skepticism, how many of those are there exactly?

If by those you meant students paying full price, see above. Incidentally, Michigan has generally offered a large portion of the class money, but not a ton of money. If by those you meant clerkships, then there are between 20 and 30 federal clerkships currently listed as available on OSCAR that start between March and July in 2017 (many judges, including a majority of the most highly selective ones, have already hired for 2017). Most judges try to have their clerks on a fall start schedule as that allows them to have recent graduates start after they take the bar in July, but sometimes things happen that knocks judges off that schedule. Obviously, you still have to compete against people who have graduated from law school in past years, but you avoid competing against other students in your class year. I also know summer starters who are going to work at their firms for several months and will then move on to clerking in the fall (after they put $50,000 in their pocket). When I was looking at Michigan three years ago, I thought there might be a bias against summer starters for some reason. There's absolutely not. In fact, while firms won't care or really notice if you're a summer starter or a fall starter, many former summer starters have a particularly strong loyalty to summer starters.

I should've been more clear - I meant clerkships that might be starting in the spring instead of summer/fall.

I am unfortunately one of those students looking at the possibility of full price, so..I need to at least make sure it's a *decent* outlook.

[CTT]

Out of genuine curiosity and a healthy dose of skepticism, how many of those are there exactly?

If by those you meant students paying full price, see above. Incidentally, Michigan has generally offered a large portion of the class money, but not a ton of money. If by those you meant clerkships, then there are between 20 and 30 federal clerkships currently listed as available on OSCAR that start between March and July in 2017 (many judges, including a majority of the most highly selective ones, have already hired for 2017). Most judges try to have their clerks on a fall start schedule as that allows them to have recent graduates start after they take the bar in July, but sometimes things happen that knock judges off that schedule. Obviously, you still have to compete against people who have graduated from law school in past years, but you avoid competing against other students in your class year. I also know summer starters who are going to work at their firms for several months and will then move on to clerking in the fall (after they put $50,000 in their pocket). When I was looking at Michigan three years ago, I thought there might be a bias against summer starters for some reason. There's absolutely not. In fact, while firms won't care or really notice if you're a summer starter or a fall starter, many former summer starters have a particularly strong loyalty to summer starters.

I should've been more clear - I meant clerkships that might be starting in the spring instead of summer/fall.

I am unfortunately one of those students looking at the possibility of full price, so..I need to at least make sure it's a *decent* outlook.

Tell them that for a $10,000 a year scholarship, you'll accept the offer. Depending somewhat on your background and goals, the job prospects have been very strong for the classes of 2016 and 2017. Prior to the class of 2016, the law school was on an archaic grading curve and it was hurting us against peer schools. They fixed that. The class size has also become very manageable relative to demand, and so the combination of a recovering economy and fewer graduate has meant the demand has been there for the 2016 and 2017 classes in a way that was lacking in the past. If you're ok firm work for a few years, then the debt is reasonable.

[pittsburghpirates]

Congrats to all of the new admits! Hopefully more of you will be joining soon!

[cdavis1024]

Tell them that for a $10,000 a year scholarship, you'll accept the offer. Depending somewhat on your background and goals, the job prospects have been very strong for the classes of 2016 and 2017. Prior to the class of 2016, the law school was on an archaic grading curve and it was hurting us against peer schools. They fixed that. The class size has also become very manageable relative to demand, and so the combination of a recovering economy and fewer graduate has meant the demand has been there for the 2016 and 2017 classes in a way that was lacking in the past. If you're ok firm work for a few years, then the debt is reasonable.

Thanks, I appreciate the perspective.