Don't think anyone outside of the admissions committee can answer that. It's good news in the sense that you're still in consideration, but bad in the sense that the majority of the pool gets admitted from "administrative review".charles117 wrote:is that an improvement or a downgrade from my chances straight out of application? I had a 167/3.77 from berkeley undergrad and applied on jan 10th. I just cant tell if this is good or bad newsgoldenbear2020 wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9780235charles117 wrote:ah ok thanks. do you think my chances are better than a coin flip at this point?studyingeveryday wrote:It means he couldn't immediately make a decision on your application and it was sent to "faculty review" for further consideration (sorry, I think there's a better explanation somewhere in the thread). It's a good thing, you're still in the running! Any decision can occur after faculty review, but it is a decent sign and you'll find out around the date given.
My best guess is somewhere between 1/8 and 1/4 chances of getting in through FR.
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Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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I doubt it is going to be happen within the timeframe that matters to us, i.e. next 5-10 years.Mr_Chukes wrote:Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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I'd say they'd stay on top, but always is a long timeMr_Chukes wrote:Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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I think UCLA will gain prominence and outcomes will more closely resemble Berkeley's as the years go on.
USC I don't think will.
Rankings are a racket though so I don't think they'll top Berkeley in that sense, but we should be looking at outcomes not rankings.
USC I don't think will.
Rankings are a racket though so I don't think they'll top Berkeley in that sense, but we should be looking at outcomes not rankings.
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doubt it, prestige is determined by preexisting perception rather than actual quality/excellenceMr_Chukes wrote:Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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In terms of prestige, Berkeley will be the clear favorite for the foreseeable future.Mr_Chukes wrote:Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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UCLA does manage to have a higher LSAT median though, which is rather interesting.
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probably because berkeley can afford to admit a few more holistic folks without hurting its reputation/prestigegenjustice wrote:UCLA does manage to have a higher LSAT median though, which is rather interesting.
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Berkeley explicitly takes some people with lower LSATs because they think they're "interesting." They know it matters to rankings but they take an intentional hit anyway... if you look at the class there are some people who have REALLY LOW LSATS and might have ONLY gotten into Berkeley out of 10/12 applications, but are also often the people who go on and do crazy things, or have amazing work experience where they were working 100 hrs/ week when they took the lsat. berkeley could forgo those people and raise its LSAT median pretty easily, but choose not to bc of their "class creation" goalsgenjustice wrote:UCLA does manage to have a higher LSAT median though, which is rather interesting.
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Doubt it. As was mentioned upthread, the prestige that comes with being a current T10 and long time T14 isn't easily undone. If anything I'd venture to say that USC surpasses UCLA at some point but doubt either one cracks the T14.Mr_Chukes wrote:Do you guys think Berkeley will always top UCLA and USC or do you think they will eventually pass Berkeley?
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The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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Agreed. Waiting to buy a plane ticket/schedule a visit until I get at least a little assurance that Berkeley's offer will be even somewhat competitive.nimbus cloud wrote:The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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doubt it, plenty of folks will pay sticker price any daynimbus cloud wrote:The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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+1. Plenty of "CA or bust" folks out there. My theory why Berkeley's BL+FC placement lags every T14 besides GULC is partly because lots of people would rather take any job in CA vs. biglaw in an easier market like NYC.charles117 wrote:doubt it, plenty of folks will pay sticker price any daynimbus cloud wrote:The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
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The same reason why UCLA's medians are on par with many T14's even though the outcomes are considerably worse.goldenbear2020 wrote:+1. Plenty of "CA or bust" folks out there. My theory why Berkeley's BL+FC placement lags every T14 besides GULC is partly because lots of people would rather take any job in CA vs. biglaw in an easier market like NYC.charles117 wrote:doubt it, plenty of folks will pay sticker price any daynimbus cloud wrote:The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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I wonder if the first wave will include people who had only been admitted a couple of weeks ago.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
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They specified these exact dates? If so, where? I was getting lost in the information.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
Also I just submitted FAFSA and CSS to them this weekend so I hope that's okay.
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I hope so since I just got admitted recently lol, but not holding my breath.nimbus cloud wrote:I wonder if the first wave will include people who had only been admitted a couple of weeks ago.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
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Got it from here:Keilz wrote:They specified these exact dates? If so, where? I was getting lost in the information.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
Also I just submitted FAFSA and CSS to them this weekend so I hope that's okay.
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Assasindowntheavenue wrote:Got it from here:Keilz wrote:They specified these exact dates? If so, where? I was getting lost in the information.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
Also I just submitted FAFSA and CSS to them this weekend so I hope that's okay.
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/admitted-s ... holarship/
Cool! I need to check out all these sites. I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information because of outside personal factors and still waiting for my first choice :'(
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I honestly don't know what CSS is lol.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:Got it from here:Keilz wrote:They specified these exact dates? If so, where? I was getting lost in the information.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
Also I just submitted FAFSA and CSS to them this weekend so I hope that's okay.
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/admitted-s ... holarship/
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Yeah I get ya. I have all information and no time to look at it all. Just remember to write down the deadlines to accept the schollies you've already gotten. That's my biggest priority ATM.Keilz wrote:Assasindowntheavenue wrote:Got it from here:Keilz wrote:They specified these exact dates? If so, where? I was getting lost in the information.Assasindowntheavenue wrote:It sucks those who don't make it into the first wave of scholly offers (2/15) have to wait more than a month to hear in the second wave (3/20) :/
Also I just submitted FAFSA and CSS to them this weekend so I hope that's okay.
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/admitted-s ... holarship/
Cool! I need to check out all these sites. I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information because of outside personal factors and still waiting for my first choice :'(
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Do you have a link to illustrate what you're saying about Berkeley's BL+FC placement lagging behind the rest of T14? Thanks in advance.goldenbear2020 wrote:+1. Plenty of "CA or bust" folks out there. My theory why Berkeley's BL+FC placement lags every T14 besides GULC is partly because lots of people would rather take any job in CA vs. biglaw in an easier market like NYC.charles117 wrote:doubt it, plenty of folks will pay sticker price any daynimbus cloud wrote:The more relevant question is whether Berkeley becomes more generous with scholarships this year.
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