Columbia c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle) Forum

[LawBron James]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Yeah, Im more speculating than venting (I havent recieved a decision yet so i have nothing to vent about), but I could be totally wrong and their strategy will work out.

[yot11]

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Yeah I think everyone needs to keep things is perspective; if you get in, then it won't really matter what frustrations you had up until that point. Although I think the bolded is more of a function of CLS recovering from a last minute drop the previous year (IIRC a few students took other offers late in the game, unexpectedly dropping their median to 171 last minute), rather than them actually raising their medians.

[hillz]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Yeah, Im more speculating than venting (I havent recieved a decision yet so i have nothing to vent about), but I could be totally wrong and their strategy will work out.

+1. Not mad at all (though I understand why people who haven't received a decision yet are antsy) just partaking in all the speculation.

Still, it's good to be reminded that this will be over for all of us soon enough and our initial scholarship offer/date of our acceptance won't matter a year from now,

[dabigchina]

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[tonysoprano]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Not to be nitpicky but didn't CLS's 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles all drop for both LSAT and GPA for last year's applicants? According to http://www.top-law-schools.com/wiki/Columbia_Law_School, c/o 2015's quartiles and median were 170 - 172 - 174 and 3.58 - 3.71 - 3.82, where's c/o 2016's were 169 - 171 - 173 and 3.54 - 3.70 - 3.81. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to get across?

I should note that my numbers are by no means YP-worthy; I'm only pointing this out due to sheer curiosity.

[js1663]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Not to be nitpicky but didn't CLS's 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles all drop for both LSAT and GPA for last year's applicants? According to http://www.top-law-schools.com/wiki/Columbia_Law_School, c/o 2015's quartiles and median were 170 - 172 - 174 and 3.58 - 3.71 - 3.82, where's c/o 2016's were 169 - 171 - 173 and 3.54 - 3.70 - 3.81. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to get across?

I should note that my numbers are by no means YP-worthy; I'm only pointing this out due to sheer curiosity.

I believe t had something to do with Stanford stealing applicants or some kind of similar story I read on TLS. Whatever it was, they recovered and regained their medians for the class of 2017. 16 was an anomaly year.

[jrc223]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Not to be nitpicky but didn't CLS's 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles all drop for both LSAT and GPA for last year's applicants? According to http://www.top-law-schools.com/wiki/Columbia_Law_School, c/o 2015's quartiles and median were 170 - 172 - 174 and 3.58 - 3.71 - 3.82, where's c/o 2016's were 169 - 171 - 173 and 3.54 - 3.70 - 3.81. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to get across?

I should note that my numbers are by no means YP-worthy; I'm only pointing this out due to sheer curiosity.

But those aren't last year's percentiles; those are the percentiles for the classes of 2015 and 2016. I think jbagelboy was pointing out that, from the 2012-2013 application year (class of 2016) to the 2013-2014 application year (class of 2017), CLS's medians increased: the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles for the LSAT were raised to 170, 172, and 174, respectively, while the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles for GPA were raised to 3.58, 3.71, and 3.81, respectively.

[jbagelboy]

I don't blame you. I haven't been waitlisted (yet), but it seems like they're alienating a lot of good, legitimate candidates with the way they're doing things. It seems like most people with the Butler have good enough numbers that a lot of them will still go HYS or a full ride at a different T14 instead. I'm curious how they'll be able to maintain their medians like this.

Yes, I realize that. We are referencing named scholarships because the discussion right now seems to be about interviews and who they have accepted/given named scholarships to thus far.

it might "seem like" that now, but keep in mind only 50 or so persons among tens of thousands of applicants will receive a named scholarship. Named scholarship are only a small fraction of the total scholarships handed out each year, which range up to half tuition. Remember also that CLS actually increased medians last year at a time when nearly every other school was dropping.

Venting is healthy, but keep this in perspective and remember there's lots of $$ to be had via the normal channels and negotiation.

Not to be nitpicky but didn't CLS's 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles all drop for both LSAT and GPA for last year's applicants? According to http://www.top-law-schools.com/wiki/Columbia_Law_School, c/o 2015's quartiles and median were 170 - 172 - 174 and 3.58 - 3.71 - 3.82, where's c/o 2016's were 169 - 171 - 173 and 3.54 - 3.70 - 3.81. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to get across?

I should note that my numbers are by no means YP-worthy; I'm only pointing this out due to sheer curiosity.

But those aren't last year's percentiles; those are the percentiles for the classes of 2015 and 2016. I think jbagelboy was pointing out that, from the 2012-2013 application year (class of 2016) to the 2013-2014 application year (class of 2017), CLS's medians increased: the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles for the LSAT were raised to 170, 172, and 174, respectively, while the 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles for GPA were raised to 3.58, 3.71, and 3.81, respectively.

yes I was referring to the shift from c/o 2016 to c/o 2017.
Internals on c/o 2016 had CLS at 3.71/172 as well until the end of August.
The point is just that CLS retains consistent numbers and, technically speaking, increased on both LSAT and GPA from last year to this year in a year where nearly every law school lost ground on medians, so they know what they're doing.

[foles]

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[Fred Norris]

Also, I'm intrigued by this Stanford taking people late story. I remember reading this too- can anyone offer any more details about it?

Count me in on Stanford curiosity. Also, it bears mentioning that their LSAT median is the only one of the T14 to have actually increased (and by 2 no less) in the last couple of years. I would not be shocked if it goes up to 173 this year.

[tonysoprano]

yes I was referring to the shift from c/o 2016 to c/o 2017.
Internals on c/o 2016 had CLS at 3.71/172 as well until the end of August.
The point is just that CLS retains consistent numbers and, technically speaking, increased on both LSAT and GPA from last year to this year in a year where nearly every law school lost ground on medians, so they know what they're doing.

Yea, my bad. Didn't realize the TLS wiki on CLS hasn't updated to include c/o 2017.

[pylon]

Not 100% sure, but IIRC there were applicants who had deposited at CLS, but very late in the summer (I think mid-August, maybe even after orientation had started) received acceptances to Stanford off the WL. They left CLS, and because of the timing, Columbia lost some applicants with good numbers and couldn't replace them with equal candidates.

[Mack.Hambleton]

Not 100% sure, but IIRC there were applicants who had deposited at CLS, but very late in the summer (I think mid-August, maybe even after orientation had started) received acceptances to Stanford off the WL. They left CLS, and because of the timing, Columbia lost some applicants with good numbers and couldn't replace them with equal candidates.

this when their median dropped from 172 to 171

[Cradle6]

Is there anyone in the 177-180 3.9-4 range who applied before November and has heard nothing at all? Thinking I should send in an email.

My numbers are in those ranges, and I haven't heard back, but I applied in mid-November. On page 44, there were a few people who seemed to be in a similar (though not exactly the same) situation as you. It might not hurt to send a polite email since status checker isn't helpful, and if they only sent you snail mail, it may have gotten lost.

I don't know. I say that, but I'm too afraid to contact them about it because it feels presumptuous, but I suppose the wording of the email is what counts. Also, you applied earlier, so it is reasonable to expect an answer by now, imo.

Wouldn't a LOCI be better than an email?

I've heard nothing since October so I'm getting really confused.

[blueberrycrumble]

Is there anyone in the 177-180 3.9-4 range who applied before November and has heard nothing at all? Thinking I should send in an email.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. It might be YP. But I don't know.

Numbers also in this range. Applied mid-October. Nothing so far

[pjohnstron0626]

For "Reserve Group" at Columbia, does anyone know if they encourage LOCI or additional essays? Other schools specified in the letter both how to submit additional material and the kinds of material one can submit. Columbia's only suggests that they would look at Transcripts. Will they welcome an additional "Why Columbia" Essay and/or an LOCI?

[mimiquestionmark]

For those of you who have been admitted: does Columbia send notifications by email or snail mail? And did they send it to your current address or your permanent address?

[ChemEng1642]

For "Reserve Group" at Columbia, does anyone know if they encourage LOCI or additional essays? Other schools specified in the letter both how to submit additional material and the kinds of material one can submit. Columbia's only suggests that they would look at Transcripts. Will they welcome an additional "Why Columbia" Essay and/or an LOCI?

Definitely if you have YP numbers. I would go ahead and submit one even if you don't. I know common wisdom around here is that you don't need to submit a "why X school" essay for Columbia but I'm starting to think that's why I got a Butler with a below median GPA.

For those of you who have been admitted: does Columbia send notifications by email or snail mail? And did they send it to your current address or your permanent address?

Both - with the general trend that email = no named scholarships (aka named scholarships = snail mail only).

[alienm]

Is there anyone in the 177-180 3.9-4 range who applied before November and has heard nothing at all? Thinking I should send in an email.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. It might be YP. But I don't know.

Numbers also in this range. Applied mid-October. Nothing so far

I guess I shouldn't complain since I only applied in December. Same stats. (177, 4.0- UCLA)

I'm getting nervous.

[2666]

Held a couple of days ago numbers>75% though I don't think it's really YP people I know with my numbers are getting Hamilton and Butler so I have to conclude something went wrong with my interview I mean my answer to the why CLS question was basically just NYC. I'm considering withdrawing because the LOCI is too much trouble especially given that I've already given my heart to another school but another part of me wants to wait and see. Anyway congrats to admits and good luck to those who are still waiting!

[dlrkgml]

IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Currently crying my head off at the la fitness lobby. Got an email with a scanned letter of acceptance. I was so sure I would get WL or rejected with my avg stats for this school. Applied 1/5, no interview. Have hope yall

[ErgoSum]

IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Currently crying my head off at the la fitness lobby. Got an email with a scanned letter of acceptance. I was so sure I would get WL or rejected with my avg stats for this school. Applied 1/5, no interview. Have hope yall

Wooo! Congrats!

[prettyandsmart246]

IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Currently crying my head off at the la fitness lobby. Got an email with a scanned letter of acceptance. I was so sure I would get WL or rejected with my avg stats for this school. Applied 1/5, no interview. Have hope yall

That's amazing! Congratulations!

[w0w]

So the trickle begins.

[yamamoto90]

Congrats dlrkgml!!!

Has anybody who applied in mid-January heard back yet? My application went complete on January 21st and I'm just curious to see if admissions has gotten to that time frame yet.