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[TheWire]

I'm really sorry to pop in and ask questions that others in the forum have clearly already asked...but hear it goes anyways:

with a 171 and gpa between 3.7-3.8, what are the chances of receiving a JR1?

If you do receive a JR1, is it a factor that can outweigh certain other elements of your application (i.e. less than spectacular lsat and gpa)?

I would really enjoy an opportunity to swing for the fences in an interview...

Thanks for input!

[DoubleChecks]

I'm really sorry to pop in and ask questions that others in the forum have clearly already asked...but hear it goes anyways:

with a 171 and gpa between 3.7-3.8, what are the chances of receiving a JR1?

If you do receive a JR1, is it a factor that can outweigh certain other elements of your application (i.e. less than spectacular lsat and gpa)?

I would really enjoy an opportunity to swing for the fences in an interview...

Thanks for input!

if you're URM or have something else very, very compelling on your app (some amazing soft, maybe fulbright scholar or peace corps for a few yrs or TFA maybe, iunno) then 3.7-3.8 and 171 in very good running for a JR1 and JR2 (though the softs i listed are all < URM status in how it'd benefit you).

if not, i would say VERY low chance of getting either (obviously JR1 chance ever so slightly > JR2 chance).

JR1 isnt some soft factor lol, it is a necessary component of the application process for HLS for those that get in. if your LSAT and GPA are not what they are looking for BUT you get a JR1, i think it matters more than for most other applicants w/ solid GPA/LSAT, where JR1's almost feel like he's just trying to see if you're competent.

[emptybee]

I would really enjoy an opportunity to swing for the fences in an interview...

The JR1 isn't really an opportunity to "swing for the fences," it's more to show you can string a couple of sentences together and/or are not a psychotic introvert. Judging by the number of people who get JR2's after getting JR1's (~800/1100) and the content of the interview itself (short softball questions), it's unlikely that the JR1 has a *huge* impact on admissions. It seems that a post-JR1 WL is likely the result of the faculty committee disliking something in your app and not the JR1 itself (unless, of course, you were a psychotic introvert in the interview).

[TheWire]

thanks for the incredibly quick responses guys!

[tomhobbes]

I would really enjoy an opportunity to swing for the fences in an interview...

The JR1 isn't really an opportunity to "swing for the fences," it's more to show you can string a couple of sentences together and/or are not a psychotic introvert. Judging by the number of people who get JR2's after getting JR1's (~800/1100) and the content of the interview itself (short softball questions), it's unlikely that the JR1 has a *huge* impact on admissions. It seems that a post-JR1 WL is likely the result of the faculty committee disliking something in your app and not the JR1 itself (unless, of course, you were a psychotic introvert in the interview).

Exactly, the most intimidating thing about the interview is how little he seems to expect from you.

[crackberry]

This is relevant to no one but me, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm flying from California to New York tomorrow and will be on the plane from 10:15 A.M. EST - 4:00 P.M. EST, thus missing a possible JR2 (or a call from Berkeley for that matter). This is not at all interesting in itself, but I'm flying Virgin America and I guess Google is providing free internet to passengers on all Virgin flights between now and Jan. 15, so I will no doubt be checking TLS and seeing if JR2s do, in fact, start coming in tomorrow. If so, this could be the longest flight of my life.

[Lysis]

This is relevant to no one but me, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm flying from California to New York tomorrow and will be on the plane from 10:15 A.M. EST - 4:00 P.M. EST, thus missing a possible JR2 (or a call from Berkeley for that matter). This is not at all interesting in itself, but I'm flying Virgin America and I guess Google is providing free internet to passengers on all Virgin flights between now and Jan. 15, so I will no doubt be checking TLS and seeing if JR2s do, in fact, start coming in tomorrow. If so, this could be the longest flight of my life.

Open a Skype account, get a number, forward your regular phone to your new internet phone, PROFIT?

Or, you know, take a nap.

[emptybee]

Or, you know, take a nap.

Given the possibility of a JR2, no one in their right mind would do this

[CardinalRules]

This is relevant to no one but me, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm flying from California to New York tomorrow and will be on the plane from 10:15 A.M. EST - 4:00 P.M. EST, thus missing a possible JR2 (or a call from Berkeley for that matter). This is not at all interesting in itself, but I'm flying Virgin America and I guess Google is providing free internet to passengers on all Virgin flights between now and Jan. 15, so I will no doubt be checking TLS and seeing if JR2s do, in fact, start coming in tomorrow. If so, this could be the longest flight of my life.

You'd better hope that he doesn't change his mind if you don't pick up...

(Just kidding, I'm sure everything will be fine. But I can't say that I envy you.)

[crackberry]

This is relevant to no one but me, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm flying from California to New York tomorrow and will be on the plane from 10:15 A.M. EST - 4:00 P.M. EST, thus missing a possible JR2 (or a call from Berkeley for that matter). This is not at all interesting in itself, but I'm flying Virgin America and I guess Google is providing free internet to passengers on all Virgin flights between now and Jan. 15, so I will no doubt be checking TLS and seeing if JR2s do, in fact, start coming in tomorrow. If so, this could be the longest flight of my life.

You'd better hope that he doesn't change his mind if you don't pick up...

(Just kidding, I'm sure everything will be fine. But I can't say that I envy you.)

This is clearly something I've had nightmares about.

[CardinalRules]

This is relevant to no one but me, but I thought I'd share anyway. I'm flying from California to New York tomorrow and will be on the plane from 10:15 A.M. EST - 4:00 P.M. EST, thus missing a possible JR2 (or a call from Berkeley for that matter). This is not at all interesting in itself, but I'm flying Virgin America and I guess Google is providing free internet to passengers on all Virgin flights between now and Jan. 15, so I will no doubt be checking TLS and seeing if JR2s do, in fact, start coming in tomorrow. If so, this could be the longest flight of my life.

You'd better hope that he doesn't change his mind if you don't pick up...

(Just kidding, I'm sure everything will be fine. But I can't say that I envy you.)

This is clearly something I've had nightmares about.

Me too. I live 3 time-change hours west of him and don't get up particularly early.

On the one hand, I slept through the UCLA call and returned it 2 hours later without disaster. On the other hand, that's UCLA.

[crackberry]

Me too. I live 3 time-change hours west of him and don't get up particularly early.

On the one hand, I slept through the UCLA call and returned it 2 hours later without disaster. On the other hand, that's UCLA.

Yeah but JR knows you're on the West Coast. As in he probably calls West Coast interviewees/admits after all the East Coast people.

[CardinalRules]

Me too. I live 3 time-change hours west of him and don't get up particularly early.

On the one hand, I slept through the UCLA call and returned it 2 hours later without disaster. On the other hand, that's UCLA.

Yeah but JR knows you're on the West Coast. As in he probably calls West Coast interviewees/admits after all the East Coast people.

That's a calming thought, except for the fact that he scheduled my JR1 at 9 AM Pacific Time.

[crackberry]

Me too. I live 3 time-change hours west of him and don't get up particularly early.

On the one hand, I slept through the UCLA call and returned it 2 hours later without disaster. On the other hand, that's UCLA.

Yeah but JR knows you're on the West Coast. As in he probably calls West Coast interviewees/admits after all the East Coast people.

That's a calming thought, except for the fact that he scheduled my JR1 at 9 AM Pacific Time.

Haha yeah that's only "early" in college.

[Shadyb]

If you don't pick up, he'll leave a message telling you that you got in. I didn't pick up for that very reason...so I could play the acceptance again and again!

[CardinalRules]

If you don't pick up, he'll leave a message telling you that you got in. I didn't pick up for that very reason...so I could play the acceptance again and again!

Thanks for the information! I take it that you're a 1L at HLS this year?

The UCLA Dean said just to call him back, leaving me in suspense until I rang back, gave him my name, listened to him shuffle papers for endless seconds, and then finally heard him say "Oh right, you're in."

[SouthernElle]

If you don't pick up, he'll leave a message telling you that you got in. I didn't pick up for that very reason...so I could play the acceptance again and again!

I played my TS2 message for anyone who would listen until I accidentally deleted it, lol. By then I had the binder though, so I had other proof.

[soullesswonder]

If you don't pick up, he'll leave a message telling you that you got in. I didn't pick up for that very reason...so I could play the acceptance again and again!

Thanks for the information! I take it that you're a 1L at HLS this year?

The UCLA Dean said just to call him back, leaving me in suspense until I rang back, gave him my name, listened to him shuffle papers for endless seconds, and then finally heard him say "Oh right, you're in."

that is so anti-climatic...major points off for presentation.

[sfdreaming09]

I don't see why not...

Sept 15 - Nov 5 applicants: 300 offers
Nov 6 - Jan 1 applicants, plus holdovers from earlier pool: 350 offers
Jan 1 - deadline, plus holdovers: 180 offers

Well, first of all HLS admits ~830/yr. But, more importantly, the data seems to suggest that a very large percentage of applciants applies on or after Jan 1st, so I doubt they'd reserve only 180 acceptances for that group.

I think my numbers add up to 830?

Also, are you referring to that LSAC graph? (or wherever it came from?) I think those statistics are for law school applications as a whole. I assume, though of course this is just speculation, that at top schools the percentage of people who apply after January 1 is far smaller. And, with rolling admissions, the percentage admitted after January 1 is probably also smaller.

Wow, sorry my bad with the math

And yes, I definitely do see your point about the very top schools having a slightly (or perhaps substantially) different application timeline (i.e. applicants at these schools generally do probably submit their apps earlier than applicants at lower ranked schools).

[amidea]

Have any non-urms gotten a JR1 with GPA < 3.6?

Yes, at least one has that I know of.

[soullesswonder]

*Looks at clock, notes official start of Thanksgiving week, cranks Neurotic Meter up to 11*

[HowardRoark]

Is this it? The next 24 hours?

[CardinalRules]

Is this it? The next 24 hours?

Well, there might be some action between now and Wednesday, according to evidence from previous years. But I'm not going to raise my hopes too high, in case they're flattened by a non-event.

[TheLuckyOne]

Because I'm a sad individual stuck at home with the flu, I've taken my own personal obsessive compulsive habits to the next level and gone through all of the posts on this thread, as well as the Harvard Phone Interview stats thread, and the URM board. Have found 66 (give or take a couple) unique references to JR1s being conducted or planned. Not sure if this is useful information at all, but it does throw into question my previous assumption that TLS represents about 10% of the total applicant population. No way they have conducted 660 phone interviews this early in the cycle, even if they are increasing the number of interviews they are giving out.

Do what you will with the info. Hopefully it will provide comfort to some (though at this point I suppose only JR2s can do that) ...



Where did you get that number? Mine is only 59 (I was only searching this thread though).

I also looked through the URM threads and counted references people made to friends who had JR1s. May not be 100% accurate.

URM threads

[Shadyb]

If you don't pick up, he'll leave a message telling you that you got in. I didn't pick up for that very reason...so I could play the acceptance again and again!

Thanks for the information! I take it that you're a 1L at HLS this year?

The UCLA Dean said just to call him back, leaving me in suspense until I rang back, gave him my name, listened to him shuffle papers for endless seconds, and then finally heard him say "Oh right, you're in."

Yeah, I'm a 1L at HLS. I got my TS2 the day before Thanksgiving, so I know how you guys feel. If you think you're stressed now, wait until tomorrow (hopefully! I have no inside information!!) when people are reporting their JR2s on TLS and you haven't gotten one yet! Don't worry though, getting an interview this early in the cycle is a really, really good sign. I tried to convince JR only to interview people who would be accepted, but he refused, lol. Best of luck!