Harvard C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

sanibella · Post by **sanibella** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:33 pm

schocolate wrote:
sanibella wrote:
Or their JS1! :crosses fingers unrealistically:
All I want for Christmas... Please, Santa.

Right there with you. My hopes are up, despite my application becoming complete last week

schocolate · Post by **schocolate** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:37 pm

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cantorb · Post by **cantorb** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:22 am

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:02 am

If nobody vehemently objects, I'm gonna stop tracking js1 waves in the OP. It's starting to seem repetitive.

WatchClosely · Post by **WatchClosely** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:43 am

Li'l Sebastian · Post by **Li'l Sebastian** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:55 am

WatchClosely wrote:
Hildegard15 wrote:If nobody vehemently objects, I'm gonna stop tracking js1 waves in the OP. It's starting to seem repetitive.
Oh, so you got your interview, and now you're ready to move away from all that JS1 nonsense. I see how it is.

mdnyc · Post by **mdnyc** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:48 am

Hildegard15 wrote:If nobody vehemently objects, I'm gonna stop tracking js1 waves in the OP. It's starting to seem repetitive.

Just think of the value you're adding to future classes. With this level of detail, your tracking will enable those who follow us to get nervous at unprecedented levels of precision!

Also, I'm in a state of total mood pendulum: "You're getting in to Harvard today! No, it's too early...No, they're going to ding you...Well, maybe WL...Stop it! You're getting into Harvard today!"

And so on...

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:15 am

mdnyc wrote:
Hildegard15 wrote:If nobody vehemently objects, I'm gonna stop tracking js1 waves in the OP. It's starting to seem repetitive.
Just think of the value you're adding to future classes. With this level of detail, your tracking will enable those who follow us to get nervous at unprecedented levels of precision!

Also, I'm in a state of total mood pendulum: "You're getting in to Harvard today! No, it's too early...No, they're going to ding you...Well, maybe WL...Stop it! You're getting into Harvard today!"

And so on...

So on point with the bolded.

Question(s) about that inside the admissions process article a couple of pages back though... Do they send all JS1s to professors? How often do profs say no to a candidate? If a prof says no does that applicant become a reject or can JS override him/her? The process is very different from Y where the profs MUST say no to (essentially) 75% of the apps they read. How the hell does it work at H?

And yes I realize this will all be speculation, but hey lets kill some time before we all go out drinking on a Tuesday night to celebrate our JS2s

mdnyc · Post by **mdnyc** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:38 am

jetsfan1 wrote:
mdnyc wrote:
Also, I'm in a state of total mood pendulum: "You're getting in to Harvard today! No, it's too early...No, they're going to ding you...Well, maybe WL...Stop it! You're getting into Harvard today!"

And so on...
So on point with the bolded.

Question(s) about that inside the admissions process article a couple of pages back though... Do they send all JS1s to professors? How often do profs say no to a candidate? If a prof says no does that applicant become a reject or can JS override him/her? The process is very different from Y where the profs MUST say no to (essentially) 75% of the apps they read. How the hell does it work at H?

And yes I realize this will all be speculation, but hey lets kill some time before we all go out drinking on a Tuesday night to celebrate our JS2s

I'd imagine they send the vast majority; no reason to do an interview unless they think you have a chance.

"No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off." - http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

We were speculating earlier about the rate of JS1 admissions, here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... e#p8971137. I think consensus was it's somewhere between 50 and 80%.

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:28 am

mdnyc wrote:
jetsfan1 wrote:
mdnyc wrote:
Also, I'm in a state of total mood pendulum: "You're getting in to Harvard today! No, it's too early...No, they're going to ding you...Well, maybe WL...Stop it! You're getting into Harvard today!"

And so on...
So on point with the bolded.

Question(s) about that inside the admissions process article a couple of pages back though... Do they send all JS1s to professors? How often do profs say no to a candidate? If a prof says no does that applicant become a reject or can JS override him/her? The process is very different from Y where the profs MUST say no to (essentially) 75% of the apps they read. How the hell does it work at H?

And yes I realize this will all be speculation, but hey lets kill some time before we all go out drinking on a Tuesday night to celebrate our JS2s
I'd imagine they send the vast majority; no reason to do an interview unless they think you have a chance.

"No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off." - http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

We were speculating earlier about the rate of JS1 admissions, here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... e#p8971137. I think consensus was it's somewhere between 50 and 80%.

Right no I get all that, I guess what I asking is precisely what the role the professor evaluation has. I guess you can say if the prof says no the applicant doesn't get in (but is the application sent to just 1 or multiple profs?) Do professors have free reign to say no to as many as they want? Or do they sort of say yes to most and then JS has to cut even a few apps that are approved by profs? Are they given guidelines to say yes to a certain number of applicants? Cause if not I could totally see some professor being a hardass and only saying a couple are "good enough." At least with Y each professor knows exactly what percentage he has to give 4s, 3s, 2s, and 1s, but with H its kind of a mystery.

Again, this is all pointless speculation but I'm bored and done with work for the day so...

ETA: Maybe my point is that if the app gets sent to 3 profs and only 1 has to ok it, that's not a very high bar to clear, whereas if its only sent to one 1 and your screwed if he/she says no, then that's pretty arbitrary (I'm sure its not that though).

Theresa87 · Post by **Theresa87** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:50 pm

I finally went complete today!!

tflan19 · Post by **tflan19** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:51 pm

Random thought but I think its safe to say we won't see JS1 invites until after the holiday. The scheduling website specifically says "Please note that interviews cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time." which would eliminate any from trickling out this week or until after the holidays (unless they have someone send something when they are out of office). Random and probably wrong but I'm in a speculating mood.

schocolate · Post by **schocolate** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:54 pm

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sanibella · Post by **sanibella** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:00 pm

tflan19 wrote:Random thought but I think its safe to say we won't see JS1 invites until after the holiday. The scheduling website specifically says "Please note that interviews cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time." which would eliminate any from trickling out this week or until after the holidays (unless they have someone send something when they are out of office). Random and probably wrong but I'm in a speculating mood.

There have been JS1s two Christmas Eves in a row. Hopefully the pattern continues!

tflan19 · Post by **tflan19** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:02 pm

sanibella wrote:
tflan19 wrote:Random thought but I think its safe to say we won't see JS1 invites until after the holiday. The scheduling website specifically says "Please note that interviews cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time." which would eliminate any from trickling out this week or until after the holidays (unless they have someone send something when they are out of office). Random and probably wrong but I'm in a speculating mood.
There have been JS1s two Christmas Eves in a row. Hopefully the pattern continues!

Great! I just thought the "cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time" language was weird and interesting - but I guess they can bend their own rules!

sanibella · Post by **sanibella** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:04 pm

tflan19 wrote:
sanibella wrote:
tflan19 wrote:Random thought but I think its safe to say we won't see JS1 invites until after the holiday. The scheduling website specifically says "Please note that interviews cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time." which would eliminate any from trickling out this week or until after the holidays (unless they have someone send something when they are out of office). Random and probably wrong but I'm in a speculating mood.
There have been JS1s two Christmas Eves in a row. Hopefully the pattern continues!
Great! I just thought the "cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time" language was weird and interesting - but I guess they can bend their own rules!

Well, they could schedule them for January 7th if they send them out on Christmas Eve. Will they be back by then?

tflan19 · Post by **tflan19** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:12 pm

sanibella wrote:
tflan19 wrote:
sanibella wrote:
tflan19 wrote:Random thought but I think its safe to say we won't see JS1 invites until after the holiday. The scheduling website specifically says "Please note that interviews cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time." which would eliminate any from trickling out this week or until after the holidays (unless they have someone send something when they are out of office). Random and probably wrong but I'm in a speculating mood.
There have been JS1s two Christmas Eves in a row. Hopefully the pattern continues!
Great! I just thought the "cannot be scheduled more than two weeks ahead of time" language was weird and interesting - but I guess they can bend their own rules!
Well, they could schedule them for January 7th if they send them out on Christmas Eve. Will they be back by then?

I would assume so, wonder if that means no more action on JS1s this week though? who knows, I'm just trying to keep myself busy instead of thinking about JS2s

JedBartlet2016 · Post by **JedBartlet2016** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:19 pm

What's the latest we should hold out hope for JS2s before the end of the year? I think I saw a wave on December 23rd in previous years

believeland · Post by **believeland** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:22 pm

JedBartlet2016 wrote:What's the latest we should hold out hope for JS2s before the end of the year? I think I saw a wave on December 23rd in previous years

I'm optimistic for this afternoon, at least?

Li'l Sebastian · Post by **Li'l Sebastian** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:23 pm

Is the average JS1-JS2 turnaround time about two weeks?

mdnyc · Post by **mdnyc** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:25 pm

believeland wrote:
JedBartlet2016 wrote:What's the latest we should hold out hope for JS2s before the end of the year? I think I saw a wave on December 23rd in previous years
I'm optimistic for this afternoon, at least?

The fact that I can't refresh my phone to pretend I have some modicum of control is killing me.

If we do indeed get a JS2 wave today, I think history supports getting nervous between 3:00pm and 6:00pm ET.

rfhassan · Post by **rfhassan** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:05 pm

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:23 pm

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rfhassan · Post by **rfhassan** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:28 pm

salander · Post by **salander** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:18 pm

rfhassan wrote:Hmmm, I don't know if it was someone new, I'm not too familiar with the interviewers It just kind of felt like I would give me answer and it wasn't good enough, and they'd want a more in depth answer.

Example: Why do you want to go into international law? (blah blah blah) "Alright, so why?"

I could be paranoid, but idk, not getting good vibes/good feelings from it.

You can look up this year's team of interviewers here, and then use LinkedIn to see how long they've been working for HLS.