I haven't really heard but I'm sending a negotiation email this week, and then going up for a visit Friday. Hopefully success thougheaper wrote:Has anyone had luck negotiating?

I haven't really heard but I'm sending a negotiation email this week, and then going up for a visit Friday. Hopefully success thougheaper wrote:Has anyone had luck negotiating?
I believe every person.Jsa725 wrote:Has anyone been accepted with " Complete/Will Send Decision By April 1" but not the congrats mailing thingy on the same day? Does the congrats mail sent box change on a diff date?
I read some of the thread and saw people from dec. but nothing around this month...
Report backSPE155 wrote:I haven't really heard but I'm sending a negotiation email this week, and then going up for a visit Friday. Hopefully success thougheaper wrote:Has anyone had luck negotiating?
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How are you planning on negotiating? Do you have an offer from another school? Has anyone successfully negotiated without another scholly offer?splitsplat wrote:Report backSPE155 wrote:I haven't really heard but I'm sending a negotiation email this week, and then going up for a visit Friday. Hopefully success thougheaper wrote:Has anyone had luck negotiating?
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because the W&M is ranked lower than Arizona State, employers will pass the school by. Obviously rankings are the only factor everyone should use when making the life decision of where to attended school. Employment figures reported by schools are always accurate and you should seek out schools that employ 99%.NoleGirl12 wrote:
what should we think about this?
Ya. With Emory and UGA in-state for me, it's gonna be pretty hard for me to rationalize going to WM anymoresplitsplat wrote:Ouch, that's a pretty big drop for W&M.
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byronmullens wrote:ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because the W&M is ranked lower than Arizona State, employers will pass the school by. Obviously rankings are the only factor everyone should use when making the life decision of where to attended school. Employment figures reported by schools are always accurate and you should seek out schools that employ 99%.NoleGirl12 wrote:
what should we think about this?
Honestly, the rankings and the power they hold are about patterns over years, schools change a few spots over years but the general reputation doesn't change too much. A large portion of the rankings are based on surveys of law professors and judges (40%) and it has little effect on the hiring picture. The schools who move up and down won't change much. Emory for example dropped and then went back up. Some schools try to game the system like Illinois who inflated their LSAT scores, and just about every school inflates their "employment" figures. I would be very skeptical of any school in the current legal market that claims 99% employment.NoleGirl12 wrote: your sarcasm is attractive. it's a genuine question since I'm not 100% sure what the rankings are based on.
I am using an offer from a competing school.kaftka juice wrote:How are you planning on negotiating? Do you have an offer from another school? Has anyone successfully negotiated without another scholly offer?splitsplat wrote:Report backSPE155 wrote:I haven't really heard but I'm sending a negotiation email this week, and then going up for a visit Friday. Hopefully success thougheaper wrote:Has anyone had luck negotiating?
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SPE155 wrote:Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:
W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)
This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.
This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.
SPE155 wrote:Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:
W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)
This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.
This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.
FWIW, went complete on March 7, admitted today, March 13.uptowngirl22 wrote:Well, according to last year's stats on LSN, the last major group of acceptances came around the end of this week, with a massive barrage of dings/WLs emerging between 13 and 15 March.... starting to feel (very) nervous.
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So I don't really understand. If my status says complete/will send decision by April 1st, and it said that on 3/9/2012, does that mean I likely didn't get accepted since my congrats mailing doesn't show up?LawStudent89 wrote:I believe every person.Jsa725 wrote:Has anyone been accepted with " Complete/Will Send Decision By April 1" but not the congrats mailing thingy on the same day? Does the congrats mail sent box change on a diff date?
I read some of the thread and saw people from dec. but nothing around this month...
When were those bar #s from? From my research W&L's first time bar passage rate in VA in July 2011 was 95.83%, higher than UVA. I don't think Feb 2012 has been released yet.SPE155 wrote:Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:
W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)
This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.
This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.
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