Chicago Law School c/o 2018 Applicants Forum

[Nathanael]

If you don't come here with the ruby there really is no hope for you at all. It's arguably better than Yale.

Nah, it's not arguably better than Yale.


It's definitively better than Yale.

[03282016]

[DiniMae]

I got an invite

[js1663]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

[fra]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

ooooh, me too. I have had very fast turn around from interview(1/22) -> UR2(1/22) -> UR3(1/26) -> UR4(1/30).

[BillsFan9907]

If you don't come here with the ruby there really is no hope for you at all. It's arguably better than Yale.

Nah, it's not arguably better than Yale.


It's definitively better than Yale.

I've seen this mentioned a lot of times. What's the basic gist?

[ChemEng1642]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

ooooh, me too. I have had very fast turn around from interview(1/22) -> UR2(1/22) -> UR3(1/26) -> UR4(1/30).

not these exact times but me too!

[jemthey17]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

ooooh, me too. I have had very fast turn around from interview(1/22) -> UR2(1/22) -> UR3(1/26) -> UR4(1/30).

not these exact times but me too!

Meanwhile, I have been sitting at UR4 for over a month now. Give me a sign, UChi!

[js1663]

If you don't come here with the ruby there really is no hope for you at all. It's arguably better than Yale.

Nah, it's not arguably better than Yale.


It's definitively better than Yale.

I've seen this mentioned a lot of times. What's the basic gist?

The idea is that with 0 debt (free tuition + $15,000 a year stipend toward living expense) it's both the largest full scholarship/stipend you can get in the T14, and you will graduate with minimal or no debt (or even make money if you work 1L and 2L summer). Furthermore, regardless of your career path, many consider the bump given in terms of career prospects by attending Yale to be small relative to the lack of debt from UChicago with a Ruby.

This is because if you go biglaw, regardless from which school, regardless of the firm you'll be paid the same so the no debt will allow you to be much better off.
If you want to go the public interest path, the lack of debt will allow you to take a lower salary, while also giving you added flexibility without having to rely on PLSF or yale's LRAP (COAP).

The only downside is that you may have a harder time finding a job, or getting the specific job you want out of UChicago, after all Yale is #1 for a reason and it really does provide you the best chance at clerkships, scarce PI jobs and the top firms. Though most people on this forum (not that I agree with it) have the opinion that if your numbers are good enough for a Ruby you wont be in the bottom of your class and will likely have good enough grades to get your desired job.

[fra]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

ooooh, me too. I have had very fast turn around from interview(1/22) -> UR2(1/22) -> UR3(1/26) -> UR4(1/30).

not these exact times but me too!

That doesn't surprise me, since we are basically the same applicant.
True story - I don't start frantically checking my phone/email/status checker until I've seen that you were admitted because my notification usually shows up about an hour later.

[ChemEng1642]

UR4 today. Does this mean decisions are coming soon?

ooooh, me too. I have had very fast turn around from interview(1/22) -> UR2(1/22) -> UR3(1/26) -> UR4(1/30).

not these exact times but me too!

That doesn't surprise me, since we are basically the same applicant.
True story - I don't start frantically checking my phone/email/status checker until I've seen that you were admitted because my notification usually shows up about an hour later.

Oh man really! That's cool! How come I didn't get my Columbia email an hour after you??

[BillsFan9907]

The only downside is that you may have a harder time finding a job, or getting the specific job you want out of UChicago, after all Yale is #1 for a reason and it really does provide you the best chance at clerkships, scarce PI jobs and the top firms. Though most people on this forum (not that I agree with it) have the opinion that if your numbers are good enough for a Ruby you wont be in the bottom of your class and will likely have good enough grades to get your desired job.

Right - if you are a Ruby then I'd imagine the universities would be grooming you to some extent for those prestigious positions? and it goes without saying that even without that, you likely have those inherent academic skills needed to get those top spots.

Yeah - we all know how hard it is to be at the top of your class and blah blah blah, but these are rubies.

[Atmosphere]

Interview invite this morning!

[ErgoSum]

Interview invite this morning!

Congrats!

[Skool]

The only downside is that you may have a harder time finding a job, or getting the specific job you want out of UChicago, after all Yale is #1 for a reason and it really does provide you the best chance at clerkships, scarce PI jobs and the top firms. Though most people on this forum (not that I agree with it) have the opinion that if your numbers are good enough for a Ruby you wont be in the bottom of your class and will likely have good enough grades to get your desired job.

PI jobs are scarce, but in hiring in my office (we're known but not ACLU big time) we're going to give just as serious consideration to a UChicago grad (certainly a Ruby) with ok grades and solid interest in our subject area as we would a Yale grad with solid interest in our subject area.

Basically, if you're sufficiently specialized to work for us, choosing UChicago over Yale won't be closing too many doors for most PI jobs.

[daedalus2309]

The only downside is that you may have a harder time finding a job, or getting the specific job you want out of UChicago, after all Yale is #1 for a reason and it really does provide you the best chance at clerkships, scarce PI jobs and the top firms. Though most people on this forum (not that I agree with it) have the opinion that if your numbers are good enough for a Ruby you wont be in the bottom of your class and will likely have good enough grades to get your desired job.

Right - if you are a Ruby then I'd imagine the universities would be grooming you to some extent for those prestigious positions? and it goes without saying that even without that, you likely have those inherent academic skills needed to get those top spots.

Yeah - we all know how hard it is to be at the top of your class and blah blah blah, but these are rubies.

Worth mentioning that Rubenstein comes with networking dinners and a personal faculty mentor, which is grooming if I've ever heard it.

[PariSiamo]

The only downside is that you may have a harder time finding a job, or getting the specific job you want out of UChicago, after all Yale is #1 for a reason and it really does provide you the best chance at clerkships, scarce PI jobs and the top firms. Though most people on this forum (not that I agree with it) have the opinion that if your numbers are good enough for a Ruby you wont be in the bottom of your class and will likely have good enough grades to get your desired job.

Right - if you are a Ruby then I'd imagine the universities would be grooming you to some extent for those prestigious positions? and it goes without saying that even without that, you likely have those inherent academic skills needed to get those top spots.

Yeah - we all know how hard it is to be at the top of your class and blah blah blah, but these are rubies.

Worth mentioning that Rubenstein comes with networking dinners and a personal faculty mentor, which is grooming if I've ever heard it.

Wow- hope there is some love left for us plebs.

Congrats to the new ruby recipients!

[Fighttotheend]

UR2..1/26....UR3...1/30...

No interview invitation

Any thoughts?

[03282016]

[Fighttotheend]

UR2..1/26....UR3...1/30...

No interview invitation

Any thoughts?

Stressing yourself out won't change the outcome. Do something you enjoy.

I know..

I'm just curious that if this is normal.

If it means a ding it is fine too

[Sevenkingdoms]

N/A

[Mack.Hambleton]

In response to the comments above, I would argue strongly that a Ruby is not better than HYS. I have many friends and family members in the legal profession and I have worked in numerous biglaw firms (V6). The reality is that brand matters. The legal profession is full of superficial prestige whores, and, when it's all said and done, nothing tops the HYS brands. Sure, you can go be an associate or a DA and it won't matter, but if you want to leverage your legal experience outside of the legal profession, don't go to UofC. If you want to be an academic or PI attorney, go to Yale. If you want Wall Street, go to Harvard. If you want tech, IP, or startups, go to Stanford. Trust me on this.

-SLS student with an HLS sibling.

0/10

[PariSiamo]

In response to the comments above, I would argue strongly that a Ruby is not better than HYS. I have many friends and family members in the legal profession and I have worked in numerous biglaw firms (V6). The reality is that brand matters. The legal profession is full of superficial prestige whores, and, when it's all said and done, nothing tops the HYS brands. Sure, you can go be an associate or a DA and it won't matter, but if you want to leverage your legal experience outside of the legal profession, don't go to UofC. If you want to be an academic or PI attorney, go to Yale. If you want Wall Street, go to Harvard. If you want tech, IP, or startups, go to Stanford. Trust me on this.

-SLS student with an HLS sibling.

Ouch. Kind of makes sense, though.

That said I would trust the PI guy who posted earlier more than the 2L(?) at Stanford. Concerning the other stuff you are probably correct.

[Mal Reynolds]

In response to the comments above, I would argue strongly that a Ruby is not better than HYS. I have many friends and family members in the legal profession and I have worked in numerous biglaw firms (V6). The reality is that brand matters. The legal profession is full of superficial prestige whores, and, when it's all said and done, nothing tops the HYS brands. Sure, you can go be an associate or a DA and it won't matter, but if you want to leverage your legal experience outside of the legal profession, don't go to UofC. If you want to be an academic or PI attorney, go to Yale. If you want Wall Street, go to Harvard. If you want tech, IP, or startups, go to Stanford. Trust me on this.

-SLS student with an HLS sibling.

[whereselizabeth]

In response to the comments above, I would argue strongly that a Ruby is not better than HYS. I have many friends and family members in the legal profession and I have worked in numerous biglaw firms (V6). The reality is that brand matters. The legal profession is full of superficial prestige whores, and, when it's all said and done, nothing tops the HYS brands. Sure, you can go be an associate or a DA and it won't matter, but if you want to leverage your legal experience outside of the legal profession, don't go to UofC. If you want to be an academic or PI attorney, go to Yale. If you want Wall Street, go to Harvard. If you want tech, IP, or startups, go to Stanford. Trust me on this.

-SLS student with an HLS sibling.

lol no.

Going to venture a guess that an SLS student with HLS sibling and "many friends and family members" in the profession isn't taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to pay for that prestige.

Not taking a Ruby seems idiotic, to me. Chicago is a great school