DOJ Honors Program 2021-2022 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Any movement on finalist designations yet?

One of my components disappeared (status still "Selected for Interview") - I'm pretty sure that in the next few days that disappeared component will return, my status will become finalist and the others will drop off?

Is that what that means? ATR (DC) just dropped off for me, not sure if that means anything positive or negative.

[Anonymous User]

Any movement on finalist designations yet?

One of my components disappeared (status still "Selected for Interview") - I'm pretty sure that in the next few days that disappeared component will return, my status will become finalist and the others will drop off?

Is that what that means? ATR (DC) just dropped off for me, not sure if that means anything positive or negative.

ATR CHI dropped off for me too! Super hopeful that this means I'm a finalist.

From a programming perspective it makes sense.

Say you applied to three components (A, B, C). Each component will have an attribute titled something like "app-status" or something. A, B, and C will have app-status = application recieved until interviews go out.

If you get selected for an interview for A & B, but not C, then app-status = selected for interview for those two, but app-status = application received for C. Since the system can only display one status at a time, A & B will drop off until the app-status is forced to display "selected for interview."

If out of A & B, you're only a finalist for A, then A will drop off until B either designates you a finalist or decides not to. The key thing that makes this work is because we can only go up in status, not down (received -> interview -> finalist). Because of that, the dropped off status has to be a upgrade to finalist.

This is just my crude attempt at generating hopium for myself lol. Anyone who actually knows what's going on should chime in!

[774361]

Any movement on finalist designations yet?

One of my components disappeared (status still "Selected for Interview") - I'm pretty sure that in the next few days that disappeared component will return, my status will become finalist and the others will drop off?

Is that what that means? ATR (DC) just dropped off for me, not sure if that means anything positive or negative.

ATR CHI dropped off for me too! Super hopeful that this means I'm a finalist.

From a programming perspective it makes sense.

Say you applied to three components (A, B, C). Each component will have an attribute titled something like "app-status" or something. A, B, and C will have app-status = application recieved until interviews go out.

If you get selected for an interview for A & B, but not C, then app-status = selected for interview for those two, but app-status = application received for C. Since the system can only display one status at a time, A & B will drop off until the app-status is forced to display "selected for interview."

If out of A & B, you're only a finalist for A, then A will drop off until B either designates you a finalist or decides not to. The key thing that makes this work is because we can only go up in status, not down (received -> interview -> finalist). Because of that, the dropped off status has to be a upgrade to finalist.

This is just my crude attempt at generating hopium for myself lol. Anyone who actually knows what's going on should chime in!

I don't think it's crude at all - we're all talking about the same division (ATR) - I'm almost certain this is good news, but let's just see. So far it looks like other components are being slower, hard to tell where else there might be decisions soon...

[funkymonk123]

Any movement on finalist designations yet?

One of my components disappeared (status still "Selected for Interview") - I'm pretty sure that in the next few days that disappeared component will return, my status will become finalist and the others will drop off?

Is that what that means? ATR (DC) just dropped off for me, not sure if that means anything positive or negative.

ATR CHI dropped off for me too! Super hopeful that this means I'm a finalist.

From a programming perspective it makes sense.

Say you applied to three components (A, B, C). Each component will have an attribute titled something like "app-status" or something. A, B, and C will have app-status = application recieved until interviews go out.

If you get selected for an interview for A & B, but not C, then app-status = selected for interview for those two, but app-status = application received for C. Since the system can only display one status at a time, A & B will drop off until the app-status is forced to display "selected for interview."

If out of A & B, you're only a finalist for A, then A will drop off until B either designates you a finalist or decides not to. The key thing that makes this work is because we can only go up in status, not down (received -> interview -> finalist). Because of that, the dropped off status has to be a upgrade to finalist.

This is just my crude attempt at generating hopium for myself lol. Anyone who actually knows what's going on should chime in!

I don't think it's crude at all - we're all talking about the same division (ATR) - I'm almost certain this is good news, but let's just see. So far it looks like other components are being slower, hard to tell where else there might be decisions soon...

So this means that those with only one component would not see a drop-off, right?

[Anonymous User]

I don't think it's crude at all - we're all talking about the same division (ATR) - I'm almost certain this is good news, but let's just see. So far it looks like other components are being slower, hard to tell where else there might be decisions soon...

I’m not an ATR applicant, but Thursday was a holiday and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people took Friday off, so things moving slowly this week checks out.

[Anonymous User]

Any movement on finalist designations yet?

One of my components disappeared (status still "Selected for Interview") - I'm pretty sure that in the next few days that disappeared component will return, my status will become finalist and the others will drop off?

Is that what that means? ATR (DC) just dropped off for me, not sure if that means anything positive or negative.

ATR CHI dropped off for me too! Super hopeful that this means I'm a finalist.

From a programming perspective it makes sense.

Say you applied to three components (A, B, C). Each component will have an attribute titled something like "app-status" or something. A, B, and C will have app-status = application recieved until interviews go out.

If you get selected for an interview for A & B, but not C, then app-status = selected for interview for those two, but app-status = application received for C. Since the system can only display one status at a time, A & B will drop off until the app-status is forced to display "selected for interview."

If out of A & B, you're only a finalist for A, then A will drop off until B either designates you a finalist or decides not to. The key thing that makes this work is because we can only go up in status, not down (received -> interview -> finalist). Because of that, the dropped off status has to be a upgrade to finalist.

This is just my crude attempt at generating hopium for myself lol. Anyone who actually knows what's going on should chime in!

I don't think it's crude at all - we're all talking about the same division (ATR) - I'm almost certain this is good news, but let's just see. So far it looks like other components are being slower, hard to tell where else there might be decisions soon...

So this means that those with only one component would not see a drop-off, right?

It's unclear on that point. Past threads seemed to suggest that it might drop off for people with one component too, but it might just be anons who didn't share all their interviews.

If the Avue software is REALLY janky (which, I mean, it's the federal government, so it might be), there might be an automatic update to the app-status attribute but then Deanna or whoever in OARM might have to manually update the display for finalists. If that's the case, then even people with only one component might see it drop.

I can't confirm any of this without the source code though, so who really knows lol.

[Anonymous User]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

[Anonymous User]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

[774361]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

Same here - ATR DC disappeared a day or two ago, and now it's back and I'm a finalist for it. The others have disappeared. I know some Civil division components are still calling references, but no idea what their timeline is...

[Anonymous User]

Any movement from EOIR?

[Anonymous User]

Any movement on TAX - CIV or CRIM?

[774361]

Any movement from EOIR?

I don't think so - Deana seems to be updating the forum within avue for things that get new designations...

[Anonymous User]

Did anyone hear from ATR-SF? The post says that "first round" of finalists are out for all cities, does that insinuate that all cities have at least enough finalists to fill their positions?

[msammas]

Has anyone that has interviewed for Civil Rights Division had their references checked?

[Anonymous User]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

Same here - ATR DC disappeared a day or two ago, and now it's back and I'm a finalist for it. The others have disappeared. I know some Civil division components are still calling references, but no idea what their timeline is...

Same, DC antitrust had previously vanished and I am now a finalist. Any clue on when we find out offers vs alternate? This feels like such an unnecessarily stressful step

[774361]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

Same here - ATR DC disappeared a day or two ago, and now it's back and I'm a finalist for it. The others have disappeared. I know some Civil division components are still calling references, but no idea what their timeline is...

Same, DC antitrust had previously vanished and I am now a finalist. Any clue on when we find out offers vs alternate? This feels like such an unnecessarily stressful step

No idea, but I'm guessing within a few days. Hang in there, we're almost done stressing about this, one way or another.

[Anonymous User]

Any updates on TAX - CRIM or CIV?

[Anonymous User]

Is there any hope left if my references have not yet been contacted?

[Anonymous User]

anyone have CIV-COMM disappear?

[Anonymous User]

I had an interview for ATR-DC and had my references checked, but am still under "selected for interview." Does that mean I am totally out of the running or is it possible for there to be more rounds of finalists?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone seeing any components disappear from their app status?

[Anonymous User]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

Same here - ATR DC disappeared a day or two ago, and now it's back and I'm a finalist for it. The others have disappeared. I know some Civil division components are still calling references, but no idea what their timeline is...

Same, DC antitrust had previously vanished and I am now a finalist. Any clue on when we find out offers vs alternate? This feels like such an unnecessarily stressful step

No idea, but I'm guessing within a few days. Hang in there, we're almost done stressing about this, one way or another.

Has anyone gotten an offer yet from ATR? Curious how the timing works with finalist designations and the actual extending of offers.

[Anonymous User]

I had an interview for ATR-DC and had my references checked, but am still under "selected for interview." Does that mean I am totally out of the running or is it possible for there to be more rounds of finalists?

Wondering the same. I felt pretty good after the interview but obviously the process is super competitive. Either way, congrats to those who received finalist designations!

[Anonymous User]

Any updates on TAX - CRIM or CIV?

Nothing for me. Components haven't disappeared and no finalist designation.

[Anonymous User]

A few components released finalists, including ATR. Can anyone verify the "disappearing component" theory above?

(Please don't de-anon this)

Can confirm that my disappearing component just turned into a finalist designation for ATR CHI. Now to begin stressing about if I'm an alternate or an offer candidate lol.

Same here - ATR DC disappeared a day or two ago, and now it's back and I'm a finalist for it. The others have disappeared. I know some Civil division components are still calling references, but no idea what their timeline is...

Same, DC antitrust had previously vanished and I am now a finalist. Any clue on when we find out offers vs alternate? This feels like such an unnecessarily stressful step

No idea, but I'm guessing within a few days. Hang in there, we're almost done stressing about this, one way or another.

Has anyone gotten an offer yet from ATR? Curious how the timing works with finalist designations and the actual extending of offers.

ATR CHI anon here. Nothing yet, but it's still pretty early in the work day for Chicago!