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Re: Military Law

Post by Patrick Bateman » Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:26 pm

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Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:51 am
Headed to the Air Force. How about something a bit off topic - I wanted to buy myself an (inexpensive) wrist watch to celebrate passing the bar. What is considered kosher for a new JAG to wear with OCP's? I already have the GShock and the dressier stuff covered.

But should I be looking at black pvd stuff? Stainless steel? Nato straps? Does a daily office watch need to handle unscheduled PT sessions, or can I go ahead and get the solid rose gold A. Lange & Sohne?
DAFI 36-2903, para 7.3.1.3, if your answer.

If it meets those requirements, you are fine.

I would keep it extremely simple for what you wear at OTS. Uniform standardization will be a thing and you don’t want to stand out.

After OTS, no one will care as long as it is in regs. I would not recommend being the new LT with something very expensive or flashy.

As it is the Air Force, unscheduled PT is not really going to be a thing to where your watch choice is gonna be an issue. You can always take the thing off or keep a beater in your gym bag as a backup.

How much you want to subject a nice watch to day to day wear is up to you. In OCPs with sleeves down, it’s not going to be that visible. I wore a Suunto Core most of my time in ABU/OCP before I converted to an Apple Watch basically full time a few years back.

Once I wasn’t in FNG status, I would wear a nicer automatic with a stainless bracelet when in service dress for court, etc.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:37 am

Hey all, got a nuts-and-bolts type question for any Army Reserve JAs in here.

Is anyone willing to share insight on how leave from drill may work/rescheduling or making up drill? I've been in the medical process for quite some time now and recently learned my waiver was favorably recommended. With that being said, I've also incurred some personal commitments for next fall (i.e. serving in a wedding party for a very close friend) and I am hoping to share accurate information with them about whether I may or may not be available.

Has anyone had any experience with working these sorts of things out with their unit? I recognize that the Army will come first, but obviously, if there's a way to do both, that would be preferable. I also don't yet have a unit or drill schedule so there may not even be a conflict but I am mindful that both drills and weddings require significant advance planning.

Would be grateful for any insight - thank you!

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Re: Military Law

Post by ShortTimeLurker » Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:12 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:26 pm
ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:51 am
Headed to the Air Force. How about something a bit off topic - I wanted to buy myself an (inexpensive) wrist watch to celebrate passing the bar. What is considered kosher for a new JAG to wear with OCP's? I already have the GShock and the dressier stuff covered.

But should I be looking at black pvd stuff? Stainless steel? Nato straps? Does a daily office watch need to handle unscheduled PT sessions, or can I go ahead and get the solid rose gold A. Lange & Sohne?
DAFI 36-2903, para 7.3.1.3, if your answer.

If it meets those requirements, you are fine.

I would keep it extremely simple for what you wear at OTS. Uniform standardization will be a thing and you don’t want to stand out.

After OTS, no one will care as long as it is in regs. I would not recommend being the new LT with something very expensive or flashy.

As it is the Air Force, unscheduled PT is not really going to be a thing to where your watch choice is gonna be an issue. You can always take the thing off or keep a beater in your gym bag as a backup.

How much you want to subject a nice watch to day to day wear is up to you. In OCPs with sleeves down, it’s not going to be that visible. I wore a Suunto Core most of my time in ABU/OCP before I converted to an Apple Watch basically full time a few years back.

Once I wasn’t in FNG status, I would wear a nicer automatic with a stainless bracelet when in service dress for court, etc.
Yeah, I'll get something relatively simple.

Do you have any location recommendations for a first assignment? I'd like to get good experience including in the court room, but I hear the massive bases can be overworked. Anything spring to mind as having a more middle-of-the-road docket load?

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Re: Military Law

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Anyone know when the Navy and Air Force are expected to get back to candidates this year?

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:53 pm

Is anyone concerned about the new presidential administration's potential "reforms" regarding the military. I know that the military is famously supposed to be apolitical, with all service members swearing an allegiance to the Constitution, and not the President. But there has been some alarm by military leaders of what they consider would be an executive overreach into the Department of Defense by the incoming presidential administration. Some of this would directly involve JAGs (e.g. the military could be directly involved in mass deportations, the potential of former military leaders being court-martialed as political retribution). I don't want to sound alarmist, and understand that plenty of left-leaning JAGs probably performed legal work that they fundamentally disagreed with during the War on Terror, but the uncertainty of being a JAG when the political protections of the military are being eroded does give me pause as someone who is interested pursuing a commission.

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Re: Military Law

Post by ubersaurusrex » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:10 pm

ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:12 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:26 pm
ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:51 am
Headed to the Air Force. How about something a bit off topic - I wanted to buy myself an (inexpensive) wrist watch to celebrate passing the bar. What is considered kosher for a new JAG to wear with OCP's? I already have the GShock and the dressier stuff covered.

But should I be looking at black pvd stuff? Stainless steel? Nato straps? Does a daily office watch need to handle unscheduled PT sessions, or can I go ahead and get the solid rose gold A. Lange & Sohne?
DAFI 36-2903, para 7.3.1.3, if your answer.

If it meets those requirements, you are fine.

I would keep it extremely simple for what you wear at OTS. Uniform standardization will be a thing and you don’t want to stand out.

After OTS, no one will care as long as it is in regs. I would not recommend being the new LT with something very expensive or flashy.

As it is the Air Force, unscheduled PT is not really going to be a thing to where your watch choice is gonna be an issue. You can always take the thing off or keep a beater in your gym bag as a backup.

How much you want to subject a nice watch to day to day wear is up to you. In OCPs with sleeves down, it’s not going to be that visible. I wore a Suunto Core most of my time in ABU/OCP before I converted to an Apple Watch basically full time a few years back.

Once I wasn’t in FNG status, I would wear a nicer automatic with a stainless bracelet when in service dress for court, etc.
Yeah, I'll get something relatively simple.

Do you have any location recommendations for a first assignment? I'd like to get good experience including in the court room, but I hear the massive bases can be overworked. Anything spring to mind as having a more middle-of-the-road docket load?
AFMC bases are usually the most civilian heavy and therefore have the least military justice. The other bases that are small to medium size have unpredictable docket schedules and could be busy or slow your first year. I'd focus more on the MAJCOM mission you're interested in and locations you want to live in.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Patrick Bateman » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:10 pm

ubersaurusrex wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:10 pm
ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:12 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:26 pm
ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:51 am
Headed to the Air Force. How about something a bit off topic - I wanted to buy myself an (inexpensive) wrist watch to celebrate passing the bar. What is considered kosher for a new JAG to wear with OCP's? I already have the GShock and the dressier stuff covered.

But should I be looking at black pvd stuff? Stainless steel? Nato straps? Does a daily office watch need to handle unscheduled PT sessions, or can I go ahead and get the solid rose gold A. Lange & Sohne?
DAFI 36-2903, para 7.3.1.3, if your answer.

If it meets those requirements, you are fine.

I would keep it extremely simple for what you wear at OTS. Uniform standardization will be a thing and you don’t want to stand out.

After OTS, no one will care as long as it is in regs. I would not recommend being the new LT with something very expensive or flashy.

As it is the Air Force, unscheduled PT is not really going to be a thing to where your watch choice is gonna be an issue. You can always take the thing off or keep a beater in your gym bag as a backup.

How much you want to subject a nice watch to day to day wear is up to you. In OCPs with sleeves down, it’s not going to be that visible. I wore a Suunto Core most of my time in ABU/OCP before I converted to an Apple Watch basically full time a few years back.

Once I wasn’t in FNG status, I would wear a nicer automatic with a stainless bracelet when in service dress for court, etc.
Yeah, I'll get something relatively simple.

Do you have any location recommendations for a first assignment? I'd like to get good experience including in the court room, but I hear the massive bases can be overworked. Anything spring to mind as having a more middle-of-the-road docket load?
AFMC bases are usually the most civilian heavy and therefore have the least military justice. The other bases that are small to medium size have unpredictable docket schedules and could be busy or slow your first year. I'd focus more on the MAJCOM mission you're interested in and locations you want to live in.
Ubersaurusrex is spot on here. Courts often cycle with periods of feast and famine. And there are also discharge boards, which are less onerous but can still be pretty time consuming, and can pop up

The giant base offices will have the volume that justifies their manning but you also then do have a lot of bodies to throw at problems. All you need at one of the smaller bases is the all to familiar perfect storm of 1-2 folks deployed, that backfill you've been counting on being a first assignment that still needs to go to JASOC, and then someone out on leave/TDY at a course/etc. Then suddenly the handful of folks left are trying to do everything, everywhere, all at once. And any office has the risk that you get some Art 15 turndowns, a drug ring that gets busted, or something else that causes your normal docket to explode.

I've been at a historically busy base office and then a smaller one that felt very busy due to the manning challenges described above, and then saw various versions of the same as an ADC. There is no way to ballpark that. Base legal can be a challenging job.

If you want to do courts, pursue those bases.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Bop » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:35 pm

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Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:53 pm
Is anyone concerned about the new presidential administration's potential "reforms" regarding the military. I know that the military is famously supposed to be apolitical, with all service members swearing an allegiance to the Constitution, and not the President. But there has been some alarm by military leaders of what they consider would be an executive overreach into the Department of Defense by the incoming presidential administration. Some of this would directly involve JAGs (e.g. the military could be directly involved in mass deportations, the potential of former military leaders being court-martialed as political retribution). I don't want to sound alarmist, and understand that plenty of left-leaning JAGs probably performed legal work that they fundamentally disagreed with during the War on Terror, but the uncertainty of being a JAG when the political protections of the military are being eroded does give me pause as someone who is interested pursuing a commission.
I tend to shy away from politics, but I'll bite here. Let's assume that several policies that you disagree with come to pass, and that you are working directly on those issues. A couple of things to calm your nerves:

1. JAGs are lawyers, but also advisors. I frequently give advice to leaders that their actions are legal, but not advisable. It allows you to okay an action as complying with the law, while also allowing room to discuss the broader moral/ethical implications of their actions. Taking the advising role one step further, JAGs are not the decision-makers in the military; Commanders ultimately decide how to handle these sorts of issues. We advise, then Commanders take the risk on executing missions as they deem appropriate. As long as you are giving sound, ethical counsel, it is ultimately not on you how the Command executes on controversial policies.

2. It is unlikely for a junior JAG to be put in a position to be making large-scale decisions on these policies, or working on these Courts Martial; these would be dealt with at a very high level. While junior JAGs do get quite a bit more responsibility than junior attorneys tend to have on the outside world, very few JAG Commands would be willing to put a junior officer in a position where they are making controversial political decisions. They may have you work on the project, but those legal opinions will be underwritten (or just outright done) by much more senior JAGs.

3. Even if you are put into a position where you are tasked with a project that you have extreme objections with, in my experience, the JAG Chain of Command is good about having tough discussions when a project is hitting moral or ethical boundaries. I've fought tooth and nail over policies that I had issues with, and even when I ultimately lost, I never felt that standing my ground (in a respectful way) was taken out on me personally.

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Re: Military Law

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Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:53 pm
Is anyone concerned about the new presidential administration's potential "reforms" regarding the military. I know that the military is famously supposed to be apolitical, with all service members swearing an allegiance to the Constitution, and not the President. But there has been some alarm by military leaders of what they consider would be an executive overreach into the Department of Defense by the incoming presidential administration. Some of this would directly involve JAGs (e.g. the military could be directly involved in mass deportations, the potential of former military leaders being court-martialed as political retribution). I don't want to sound alarmist, and understand that plenty of left-leaning JAGs probably performed legal work that they fundamentally disagreed with during the War on Terror, but the uncertainty of being a JAG when the political protections of the military are being eroded does give me pause as someone who is interested pursuing a commission.
It's the job of the military to follow the lawful orders of the elected commander in chief. If you feel like you can't do that then you should not join the military.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:21 pm

Got a call from the person who interviewed me today for active duty Airforce JAG saying I was selected!

Told me it was an early turnaround

Havent gotten the official email but I am excited!

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Re: Military Law

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For AIRFORCE JAG AD

How likely is it to be stationed overseas for first deployment?

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Re: Military Law

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For AIRFORCE JAG AD

How likely is it to be stationed overseas for first deployment?
Are you talking about your first assignment? Deployment means something else entirely.

I've always heard a 10% figure thrown around but I have literally no idea where that came from or if it holds up.

Looking at USAFE base legal assignments you have:

Germany - Ramstein and Spang
Italy - Aviano
Turkey - Incirlik (though I am not 100% if they send first assignments)
UK - Lakenhealth, Mildenhall, and Alconbury

PACAF:

Japan: Kadena, Misawa, and Yokota
Guam: Andersen

First assignments are not sent to the two ROK bases (Osan/Kunsan).

So that is only a handful of mostly smaller legal offices. Some of those spots are going to second assignment Captains. So you are looking at only a few vacancies that would be filled by a new first assignment any given year.

It can't hurt to put it on the dream sheet if that is what you want, but only a few folks are going to get that Golden Ticket each year.

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Re: Military Law

Post by kulawyer2000 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:18 pm

Hi everyone. Got selected as an alternate for the Navy and a Primary for the Army. I think I'd prefer to go Navy, if nothing else for the location of the stations and because I think ships are cool. I was also told, essentially, that all or nearly all alternates will be hired as primaries, and that the faster I complete commissioning, the higher my chances of doing so.

Could anyone shed additional light on this process? It is a bit confusing. Are there any long-term career prospects that I should consider in choosing between the Navy and Army? Is one better on a resume for future federal jobs? My intuition tells me no.

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Re: Military Law

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Patrick Bateman wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:43 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:23 pm
For AIRFORCE JAG AD

How likely is it to be stationed overseas for first deployment?
Are you talking about your first assignment? Deployment means something else entirely.

I've always heard a 10% figure thrown around but I have literally no idea where that came from or if it holds up.

Looking at USAFE base legal assignments you have:

Germany - Ramstein and Spang
Italy - Aviano
Turkey - Incirlik (though I am not 100% if they send first assignments)
UK - Lakenhealth, Mildenhall, and Alconbury

PACAF:

Japan: Kadena, Misawa, and Yokota
Guam: Andersen

First assignments are not sent to the two ROK bases (Osan/Kunsan).

So that is only a handful of mostly smaller legal offices. Some of those spots are going to second assignment Captains. So you are looking at only a few vacancies that would be filled by a new first assignment any given year.

It can't hurt to put it on the dream sheet if that is what you want, but only a few folks are going to get that Golden Ticket each year.

Are all of the overseas bases smaller than state side ones ??
Is that a bad idea for first assignments?

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Re: Military Law

Post by Patrick Bateman » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:27 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:32 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:43 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:23 pm
For AIRFORCE JAG AD

How likely is it to be stationed overseas for first deployment?
Are you talking about your first assignment? Deployment means something else entirely.

I've always heard a 10% figure thrown around but I have literally no idea where that came from or if it holds up.

Looking at USAFE base legal assignments you have:

Germany - Ramstein and Spang
Italy - Aviano
Turkey - Incirlik (though I am not 100% if they send first assignments)
UK - Lakenhealth, Mildenhall, and Alconbury

PACAF:

Japan: Kadena, Misawa, and Yokota
Guam: Andersen

First assignments are not sent to the two ROK bases (Osan/Kunsan).

So that is only a handful of mostly smaller legal offices. Some of those spots are going to second assignment Captains. So you are looking at only a few vacancies that would be filled by a new first assignment any given year.

It can't hurt to put it on the dream sheet if that is what you want, but only a few folks are going to get that Golden Ticket each year.

Are all of the overseas bases smaller than state side ones ??
Is that a bad idea for first assignments?
No, it is not a bad idea. It’s can be a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The entire large v small office issue has been discussed to death and often seems to be misunderstood by new folks (which is fair, I get it).

Large and small offices mean different things but can both represent good/challenging situations. There is no good or bad - just different.

Ramstein is huge. Andersen is big. The remainder are varying levels of medium.

Consider the location and the mission. You can look at the court martial docket for how much a current base has going on or has done in previous years as a data point.

Beyond that, you are probably just spinning your wheels.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:02 pm

Hey all. I am 1L that was selected for the Navy JAG internship. I'm interested in becoming a Judge Advocate when I graduate law school. What are the odds that this internship directly leads to becoming a JA (subject to medical and other procedural requirements)?

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Re: Military Law

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Hey all. I am 1L that was selected for the Navy JAG internship. I'm interested in becoming a Judge Advocate when I graduate law school. What are the odds that this internship directly leads to becoming a JA (subject to medical and other procedural requirements)?
Pretty high. In especially competitive years, interning with the Navy JAG was seen as a soft requirement, and in less competitive years (i.e. the present), having an internship on your application is typically seen a gold star during the process because your internship evaluation (which is not-disclosed to you) by your supervising JAGs over the summer, is included in your board evaluation. They also just rolled out an expedited professional recommendation route for summer interns, in which successful interns can be considered for a professional recommendation in a separate pool of student program applicants. So as long as you perform decently over the summer, and don't skip out on command PT, there's a high chance you'll get a professional recommendation when/if you decide to apply.

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Re: Military Law

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Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:02 pm
Hey all. I am 1L that was selected for the Navy JAG internship. I'm interested in becoming a Judge Advocate when I graduate law school. What are the odds that this internship directly leads to becoming a JA (subject to medical and other procedural requirements)?
Pretty high. In especially competitive years, interning with the Navy JAG was seen as a soft requirement, and in less competitive years (i.e. the present), having an internship on your application is typically seen a gold star during the process because your internship evaluation (which is not-disclosed to you) by your supervising JAGs over the summer, is included in your board evaluation. They also just rolled out an expedited professional recommendation route for summer interns, in which successful interns can be considered for a professional recommendation in a separate pool of student program applicants. So as long as you perform decently over the summer, and don't skip out on command PT, there's a high chance you'll get a professional recommendation when/if you decide to apply.
I appreciate it! I know they just rolled the program out, but do you know much about the expedited pipeline? I'm thinking about opting into it. Are the standards exceedingly high for this program considering they take people as early as 1L summer? Or do you think a person who opts in and "performs decently" over the summer has a strong chance at getting a professional recommendation via that pipeline? I know that all opt-in interns have to do is submit their transcripts and complete a structured interview, and a decision is made with the intern application materials. I'm intrigued by the earliness, relative ease, and pure job security I'd get compared to applying later.

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Re: Military Law

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ShortTimeLurker wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:51 am
Headed to the Air Force. How about something a bit off topic - I wanted to buy myself an (inexpensive) wrist watch to celebrate passing the bar. What is considered kosher for a new JAG to wear with OCP's? I already have the GShock and the dressier stuff covered.

But should I be looking at black pvd stuff? Stainless steel? Nato straps? Does a daily office watch need to handle unscheduled PT sessions, or can I go ahead and get the solid rose gold A. Lange & Sohne?

Even in the Army we’re not doing unscheduled PT. There’s a crew of watch lovers in my office and I’ve spotted a Rolex or two in uniform. The computerized watches however are an issue. I’ve got a gshock I can’t wear to work; $700 sitting completely unused. At some point you’ll work in environments where smart watches aren’t allowed for security.

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Re: Military Law

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- someone once told me that if you request a location based on wanting to be near family, you are less likely to get it. is there any stock in that?
Can confirm true for Army. The assignments officer lied to me at re-up time when I made it clear I needed to be closer to family for just one assignment or leave service. I haven’t been assigned anywhere near family for two assignments. I was ok with that. We’re talking over 6k miles away, but I paid significant amounts to fly twice to family in the last 5 years.

For my new assignment, every “option” given to me when the list dropped was thousands of miles apart still. The new orders are even further away than my last two assignments. You cannot trust anything they represent. 🤷‍♀️ Just for awareness.

I’d give anything to be able to fly to family on a weekend. As it sits it takes a day to get there and back. It’s just not possible.

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Re: Military Law

Post by anonymous19921992 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:58 pm

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Hi everyone,

Following-up from a previous post. I'm in accessions for Army Reserve JAG and was medically DQ'd for a prior ADD diagnosis. I was in the process of putting together a waiver packet, when I received a request for additional medical information(AMI) from DODMERB. They requested all my doctor's notes and prescription records related to ADD. For background, I was diagnosed in August 2015, prescribed adderall between August 2015 and January 2023. I haven't taken the medication since July 2022 (no medication in past 22 months), was officially de-prescribed in January 2023, and last month received a new ADD assessment from a psychologist saying that my symptoms have resolved and I was previously misdiagnosed.

A few questions:

1) Is this AMI good news, bad news, or routine?

2) After I submit the AMI will I receive a new decision from DODMERB? And should I therefore wait to submit my waiver packet?

3) Can anyone share their thoughts or recent experiences on my chances of being accepted / waived? And any additional advice on submitting the best waiver memo and packet I can? Any other thoughts or advice?

Thank you all for this great resource and previous answers.
1) Routine. The majority of DQs need additional info for a decision to be made.

2) No, it is unlikely that DoDMERB itself will make a new decision. Instead, they are now acting as the middleman to collect paperwork for the waiver approval authority to make a decision. Personally, I sent in my waiver request before my optometrist had sent in my follow-up appointment results; I simply included language in the body of the email that included my waiver request that the optometrist's opinion was forthcoming.

3) Always hard to answer this one. The 22 month gap, the psychologist's opinion on a misdiagnosis, and the official de-prescription will go a long way though. I suggest getting a solid note from the psychologist outlining why they think it was a misdiagnosis. If the de-prescription came from someone different than the psychologist, I'd suggest getting a note from them explaining why they chose to take you off the medication.

In your waiver request memo, generally you want to bring up that you have no difficulties or significant obstacles performing legal or Soldier duties. You may want to discuss what lead to the 2015 diagnosis and what medically and/or personally has changed in the past 9 years. On the other hand, you may want to avoid that topic if there was a significant underlying event in 2015; make sure you don't bring up topics that will raise additional eyebrows (e.g., talking about depression).

3) Following up on this for the benefit of anyone in a similar situation. My waiver request was approved! Best of luck.

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Re: Military Law

Post by Bop » Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:20 pm

Word on the street is that Army Internship applications are way up this spring. Hard to say whether applications are on an upward trend (like recruiting for the rest of the military is), or if it's just because of the hiring freeze that the rest of the federal government is facing which is pushing interns our direction. Either way, it'll be an incredibly competitive board and a ton of good candidates are going to get passed over for a slot. If you miss out this spring (especially for 1Ls), that shouldn't scare you from trying against next board where it may not be so crazy.

Also, glad to hear that the poster above me got the waiver!

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:35 pm

anonymous19921992 wrote:
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Bop wrote:
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Mon May 20, 2024 1:50 pm
Hi everyone,

Following-up from a previous post. I'm in accessions for Army Reserve JAG and was medically DQ'd for a prior ADD diagnosis. I was in the process of putting together a waiver packet, when I received a request for additional medical information(AMI) from DODMERB. They requested all my doctor's notes and prescription records related to ADD. For background, I was diagnosed in August 2015, prescribed adderall between August 2015 and January 2023. I haven't taken the medication since July 2022 (no medication in past 22 months), was officially de-prescribed in January 2023, and last month received a new ADD assessment from a psychologist saying that my symptoms have resolved and I was previously misdiagnosed.

A few questions:

1) Is this AMI good news, bad news, or routine?

2) After I submit the AMI will I receive a new decision from DODMERB? And should I therefore wait to submit my waiver packet?

3) Can anyone share their thoughts or recent experiences on my chances of being accepted / waived? And any additional advice on submitting the best waiver memo and packet I can? Any other thoughts or advice?

Thank you all for this great resource and previous answers.
1) Routine. The majority of DQs need additional info for a decision to be made.

2) No, it is unlikely that DoDMERB itself will make a new decision. Instead, they are now acting as the middleman to collect paperwork for the waiver approval authority to make a decision. Personally, I sent in my waiver request before my optometrist had sent in my follow-up appointment results; I simply included language in the body of the email that included my waiver request that the optometrist's opinion was forthcoming.

3) Always hard to answer this one. The 22 month gap, the psychologist's opinion on a misdiagnosis, and the official de-prescription will go a long way though. I suggest getting a solid note from the psychologist outlining why they think it was a misdiagnosis. If the de-prescription came from someone different than the psychologist, I'd suggest getting a note from them explaining why they chose to take you off the medication.

In your waiver request memo, generally you want to bring up that you have no difficulties or significant obstacles performing legal or Soldier duties. You may want to discuss what lead to the 2015 diagnosis and what medically and/or personally has changed in the past 9 years. On the other hand, you may want to avoid that topic if there was a significant underlying event in 2015; make sure you don't bring up topics that will raise additional eyebrows (e.g., talking about depression).

3) Following up on this for the benefit of anyone in a similar situation. My waiver request was approved! Best of luck.
Congrats on the waiver approval! Chiming in to say that I was in a similar position and recently had my ADHD waiver request approved. In case it's valuable to future applicants (I'm sure there will be plenty of lawyers with ADD/ADHD interested in the future), here's some information about how my waiver process went:
- Diagnosed with ADHD in 2017, graduated law school in Spring 2022
- Discontinued ADHD medication in August 2023. Key note - did not just stop taking medication, attended appointment with my PCP who stated it was no longer necessary
- Army RJAG select, offered commission in November 2023
- Went to DODMERB exam in March 2024, DQ'ed for ADHD
- AMI requested: confirmation of satisfactory employment performance no earlier than September 2024 (to show at least 12 months of adequate unmedicated performance)
- Waiver granted: January 2025

One factor that pushed my waiver grant to the right was that a new waiver consultant took place in summer 2024. They took the additional (and unhelpful) step of disqualifying me for an allergy that had previously been found qualifying. Thus, I required an additional allergy waiver and was not made aware of this until October 2024. Both waivers were granted in Jan 2025.

Anecdotally, I've heard from other JAG selects on Reddit that the new JAG policy is to grant waivers with 90 days of medication free performance, versus 12 months. I can't confirm that through my experience though. Best of luck to all in the process.

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Re: Military Law

Post by D3A » Sat Feb 22, 2025 6:30 pm

Has anyone heard any news on how the upcoming DOD hiring freeze will affect JAG internships for the summer?

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Re: Military Law

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:30 pm

D3A wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2025 6:30 pm
Has anyone heard any news on how the upcoming DOD hiring freeze will affect JAG internships for the summer?
Isn't the new SecDef supposedly not a fan of JAGs? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/22/us/p ... s-jag.html
I wouldn't be surprised if JAG internships get cut, or if there suddenly is less demand for JAGs under the new administration.

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!


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