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[Anonymous User]

Anyone here anything from the Air Force, how do they release results.

Air Force Results are emailed out. Last Board, my email showed up in my G-mail spam folder and I didn't see it until I was on the phone with JAX. I haven't heard anything back yet. Also, my results are still "pending" for the Navy.

I think it's not a good sign we're still pending for Navy.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone here anything from the Air Force, how do they release results.

Air Force Results are emailed out. Last Board, my email showed up in my G-mail spam folder and I didn't see it until I was on the phone with JAX. I haven't heard anything back yet. Also, my results are still "pending" for the Navy.

I think it's not a good sign we're still pending for Navy.

It's official! Not PR'd.

Congrats to those who got it!

[rtb2008x]

I thought we could expect a phone call if accepted ?

[sheboygan!]

I've been combing through the thread, but I can't seem to find an answer.

Incoming 1L who's beginning to plan for the AF GLP application process this fall:

Do I have to interview with the SJA at the geographically closest base, or can I opt to interview with any available SJA?

[Anonymous User]

Most base level AF JAGs are also Special AUSAs in the Fed District their base occupies. I can see that lending itself to getting a leg up as a future AUSA in that area, one that might have been unlikely otherwise.

Bumping an old post, but can anyone elaborate on this?

[skylaws]

I've been combing through the thread, but I can't seem to find an answer.

Incoming 1L who's beginning to plan for the AF GLP application process this fall:

Do I have to interview with the SJA at the geographically closest base, or can I opt to interview with any available SJA?

You should be able to interview at any available SJA. I know some people who interviewed over winter break with SJA's closer to their homes, instead of at the base closest to school.

[rtb2008x]

Anyone have AF board results yet?

[drb06g]

Anyone have AF board results yet?

I was wondering the same thing. I haven't heard anything yet. The notices of non-selection show up in email form so maybe they are still making calls to those who have been selected? Hopefully we'll all know where we stand by early next week. Good luck to all who have applied!

[Sportsmania902]

Anyone have AF board results yet?

I haven't heard anything yet either. I've read that they release the results 30-60 days after the Board meets. So, assuming the Board met in early April, it would be about 30 days at this point. I'm thinking they should start calling those who have been accepted early next week. Good luck everyone!

[sheboygan!]

I've been combing through the thread, but I can't seem to find an answer.

Incoming 1L who's beginning to plan for the AF GLP application process this fall:

Do I have to interview with the SJA at the geographically closest base, or can I opt to interview with any available SJA?

You should be able to interview at any available SJA. I know some people who interviewed over winter break with SJA's closer to their homes, instead of at the base closest to school.

Great to hear, thank you!

[S. Goodman]

Most base level AF JAGs are also Special AUSAs in the Fed District their base occupies. I can see that lending itself to getting a leg up as a future AUSA in that area, one that might have been unlikely otherwise.

Bumping an old post, but can anyone elaborate on this?

Yes I can.

First of all, this isn't specific to AF Jags, most Jags across all branches are also Special Assistant U.S. Attorney's, the special part essentially denotes there is no pay for being an AUSA, you are for all intents and purposes a volunteer.

The reason why Jags are also often SAUSA's is because civilians commit crimes on base too, not just military members. The civilians can't be tried by court-martial, so they are tried by the feds. Instead of typical AUSA'a doing the prosecution, the Jag from that base, who is also a SAUSA, goes to the federal court house and tries the civilian.

The reasoning, as explained to me, is that it is easier on the AUSA's for Jags to take care of crimes that occur on base, and also there might be some jurisdictional issues because I believe military bases are considered sovereign?? Can't guarantee the reasoning either way.

Regardless of the reasoning, it is a fact that many active duty Jags in the AF and at least the Navy for sure are also SAUSA's for the purpose of prosecuting civilians in federal court who commit criminal offenses aboard military installations.

I am sure being a former Jag and/or SAUSA will give you a substantial opportunity to be a AUSA once you get off of active duty.

Disclaimer: I am not a Jag or an expert, so if I have misspoke it was not intentional and if you know better please correct me.

[howell]

The reasoning, as explained to me, is that it is easier on the AUSA's for Jags to take care of crimes that occur on base, and also there might be some jurisdictional issues because I believe military bases are considered sovereign?? Can't guarantee the reasoning either way.

I don't know why this was originally started, but my guess is that it allows AUSAs not to have to deal with lower level crimes while giving good experience to young JAGs. If a civilian commits a serious crime on base, it's much more likely an AUSA would take over. We have had that happen a few times. There's no reason a JAG has to do it that I am aware of.

It's not guaranteed you'll get an opportunity for this, but there's a good chance. I missed out, because the local AUSA only gives our base so many slots. Timing didn't work out for me to get be a SAUSA, but a couple other JAGs in the office did get a chance.

Certainly it is good experience for future AUSA possibilities, but it's not the highest level stuff either. You might show up to court, say 10 words, and go home, depending on what's going on.

[los blancos]

Most base level AF JAGs are also Special AUSAs in the Fed District their base occupies. I can see that lending itself to getting a leg up as a future AUSA in that area, one that might have been unlikely otherwise.

Bumping an old post, but can anyone elaborate on this?

Yes I can.

First of all, this isn't specific to AF Jags, most Jags across all branches are also Special Assistant U.S. Attorney's, the special part essentially denotes there is no pay for being an AUSA, you are for all intents and purposes a volunteer.

The reason why Jags are also often SAUSA's is because civilians commit crimes on base too, not just military members. The civilians can't be tried by court-martial, so they are tried by the feds. Instead of typical AUSA'a doing the prosecution, the Jag from that base, who is also a SAUSA, goes to the federal court house and tries the civilian.

The reasoning, as explained to me, is that it is easier on the AUSA's for Jags to take care of crimes that occur on base, and also there might be some jurisdictional issues because I believe military bases are considered sovereign?? Can't guarantee the reasoning either way.

Regardless of the reasoning, it is a fact that many active duty Jags in the AF and at least the Navy for sure are also SAUSA's for the purpose of prosecuting civilians in federal court who commit criminal offenses aboard military installations.

I am sure being a former Jag and/or SAUSA will give you a substantial opportunity to be a AUSA once you get off of active duty.

Disclaimer: I am not a Jag or an expert, so if I have misspoke it was not intentional and if you know better please correct me.

The reasoning, as explained to me, is that it is easier on the AUSA's for Jags to take care of crimes that occur on base, and also there might be some jurisdictional issues because I believe military bases are considered sovereign?? Can't guarantee the reasoning either way.

I don't know why this was originally started, but my guess is that it allows AUSAs not to have to deal with lower level crimes while giving good experience to young JAGs. If a civilian commits a serious crime on base, it's much more likely an AUSA would take over. We have had that happen a few times. There's no reason a JAG has to do it that I am aware of.

It's not guaranteed you'll get an opportunity for this, but there's a good chance. I missed out, because the local AUSA only gives our base so many slots. Timing didn't work out for me to get be a SAUSA, but a couple other JAGs in the office did get a chance.

Certainly it is good experience for future AUSA possibilities, but it's not the highest level stuff either. You might show up to court, say 10 words, and go home, depending on what's going on.

I was the original anon [accidentally]. Thanks to you both. This is definitely something that sweetens the deal for me. I'm at a firm now but I'm considering applying for JAG because (a) I want to serve; and (b) I want to be in the courtroom. I think I can put together a decent app, but I was K-JD and I'm going to have trouble getting LORs that are worth anything. I'd really like Navy for myriad reasons, but seems like that's virtually impossible.

Now back to reading the first 100 pages or so of this thread...

[pat4redick]

PR'd for Air Force. Got a call from SJA a few minutes ago. East coast, interviewed at MacDill. Good luck to those still waiting!

[atsok79]

AF DAP results are out according to their facebook site. Expect phone calls today. Got mine, I'm in. So excited!!

[Rambo152]

Rejected by the Air Force... again. This makes me 0-5 with the AF and 0-1 with the Navy.
I graduated law school in December and was recently admitted to practice. My enlistment in the AF Reserve is ending soon, so I think I'll get out to spend some time focusing on my civilian career before giving it another try. Probably in the Reserve.
Thank you to those of you who have provided advice on this forum. Congratulations to those of you who made it this year. And good luck to those of you still applying.

[S. Goodman]

I'd really like Navy for myriad reasons, but seems like that's virtually impossible.

Now back to reading the first 100 pages or so of this thread...

Why do you feel like this exactly? Why impossible?

And also, there is a specific forum just for Navy Jag on here that is much smaller and may provide greater utility and specificity to your branch selection than this monster forum.

For your SA.

[S. Goodman]

Rejected by the Air Force... again. This makes me 0-5 with the AF and 0-1 with the Navy.
I graduated law school in December and was recently admitted to practice. My enlistment in the AF Reserve is ending soon, so I think I'll get out to spend some time focusing on my civilian career before giving it another try. Probably in the Reserve.
Thank you to those of you who have provided advice on this forum. Congratulations to those of you who made it this year. And good luck to those of you still applying.

Sorry to hear that Rambo. I understand it is more difficult for Navy DA applicants than SP applicants. There are more ways to serve other than jag of course, but still if you want jag I think you should keep at it with the Navy. They are growing apparently and application are down. Keep your head up brother it'll work out.

Any interest in Coast Guard, Marines, or the Army?

[los blancos]

I'd really like Navy for myriad reasons, but seems like that's virtually impossible.

Now back to reading the first 100 pages or so of this thread...

Why do you feel like this exactly? Why impossible?

And also, there is a specific forum just for Navy Jag on here that is much smaller and may provide greater utility and specificity to your branch selection than this monster forum.

For your SA.

Thanks! Will look into that. I'm a practicing attorney so I'd be looking at DA, and the numbers are hardly encouraging! I'm also just concerned that I'm not going to be able tp scrape together any worthwhile LORs. I think I favor Navy for a variety of reasons - the locations, nature of practice, and deployments being a major part.

[BiggestJer]

I'd really like Navy for myriad reasons, but seems like that's virtually impossible.

Now back to reading the first 100 pages or so of this thread...

Why do you feel like this exactly? Why impossible?

And also, there is a specific forum just for Navy Jag on here that is much smaller and may provide greater utility and specificity to your branch selection than this monster forum.

For your SA.

Thanks! Will look into that. I'm a practicing attorney so I'd be looking at DA, and the numbers are hardly encouraging! I'm also just concerned that I'm not going to be able tp scrape together any worthwhile LORs. I think I favor Navy for a variety of reasons - the locations, nature of practice, and deployments being a major part.

The numbers may not be encouraging, but it is possible. I just got the call that I was professionally recommended for Navy direct appointment. FWIW, my LOR's were only from my current employer (supervising attorney and a subordinate attorney) and a co-counsel from a case that I've known for many years. Some think it's best to have a LOR from someone in the military or politically connected, but I thought it made more sense to have LOR's from people that knew me well.

[S. Goodman]

I think I favor Navy for a variety of reasons - the locations, nature of practice, and deployments being a major part.

Deployments on a naval vessel really suck. Except for port calls, but if you're on a AC Carrier it isn't so cramped.

I will say this though, officers have it much much much better aboard a ship then the enlisted folks do.

[Anonymous User]

Hey all,
Would those selected by the AF April Board be willing to post stats for future reference?

[navykev]

I think I favor Navy for a variety of reasons - the locations, nature of practice, and deployments being a major part.

Deployments on a naval vessel really suck. Except for port calls, but if you're on a AC Carrier it isn't so cramped.

I will say this though, officers have it much much much better aboard a ship then the enlisted folks do.

+1 on deployments - not what they use to be after 9/11

Navy Jags are only going to be on big decks - carriers, gators, and flag ships. Two ways to be on a carrier: as ship's company and on the strike group staff (the staff job will be an O4 though). The flag ship jag is usually a senior O5. Jags on carriers, gators and staffs will also have legalman support. Legalman, commonly referred to as LNs, is an enlisted Navy rate (think legal secretary/paralegal). Small boys - cruisers, destroyers, etc. - will go through their staff or base if they need a JAG. Non-Judicial Punishment (also referred to as NJP & Captain's Mast by Sailors and Article 15 by the other services) doesn't require JAG involvement in most cases. NJP is how a majority of issues are handled (things like DUIs, Sailors fighting, drunk on duty, etc.) Each of the small units will have a junior officer and some yeoman that have been through the Navy's 2-week legal course. They'll handle those cases for the most part. The big deck JAG offices do handle NJP stuff to keep them busy but most of that work will be done by the LNs.

[Rambo152]

Rejected by the Air Force... again. This makes me 0-5 with the AF and 0-1 with the Navy.
I graduated law school in December and was recently admitted to practice. My enlistment in the AF Reserve is ending soon, so I think I'll get out to spend some time focusing on my civilian career before giving it another try. Probably in the Reserve.
Thank you to those of you who have provided advice on this forum. Congratulations to those of you who made it this year. And good luck to those of you still applying.

Sorry to hear that Rambo. I understand it is more difficult for Navy DA applicants than SP applicants. There are more ways to serve other than jag of course, but still if you want jag I think you should keep at it with the Navy. They are growing apparently and application are down. Keep your head up brother it'll work out.

Any interest in Coast Guard, Marines, or the Army?

Technically I was an SP, since when I applied I had not taken the bar yet. I'm not sure whether they grouped me with the DA's or the 3L's though since I'm pretty much ready to immediately enter active duty (security clearance and all).

I'll likely be giving it a few more tries down the road. In the meantime, I'm going to get some experience being a civilian attorney. I don't think I'll leave my employer without putting in a full year at least. It just seems like bad form.

I'm still (relatively) young so a commission is possible for a few more years. I'll likely be trying with all of the branches. It would seem wasteful to not use all the knowledge I gained from this thread. The Coast Guard seems especially interesting.

[S. Goodman]

The Coast Guard seems especially interesting.

Seems like everyone looks over the Coast Guard? Perhaps this means much fewer applicants . . . I haven't heard it refereed to much at all on here.

If I didn't get the Navy I was going to submit and App to the Coast Guard. They have a board coming up late summer I think.

Coast Guard is pretty G in my opinion, that is coming from a former active duty Marine.

Here is a link to some more information on it. I did some pretty extensive research on it because I was anticipating not getting in the Navy.

https://www.gocoastguard.com/sites/defa ... 14_1_0.pdf