More BigLaw TikTok drama! Forum

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

Bottom line, its just unprofessional and not the kind of image I would want to represent or portray if I was a lawyer or STB. Full stop.

[Anonymous User]

Good faith question. How does a 2nd-3rd year big law associate take so many vacations? We're not talking Sedona here. 3 to 4 international destinations within the span of 3 months? Is this the funds associate experience?

I’m wondering too whether she hits her hours while making all of these videos and going on these vacations

STB doesn't have an hours requirement.

Everyone knows that firms without hours requirements still won't pay a third year to sit around all day and take vacations. "No hours requirement" doesn't entail "can do half the work of their peers."

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

[Anonymous User]

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

Anon for obvious reasons. I don't want to derail this thread but enough with the exaggeration about Kirkland. Yes people at the firm work hard. Yes often there is so much work that you may end up with over 2,300 hours without aiming for it. But the internal minimum is still 2,000 and you know it.

As for the behavior of this tiktok lady... *facepalm* cringe. Find it hard to believe she behaves this way in the office but she should probably stop talking about client work.

[Anonymous User]

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

Anon for obvious reasons. I don't want to derail this thread but enough with the exaggeration about Kirkland. Yes people at the firm work hard. Yes often there is so much work that you may end up with over 2,300 hours without aiming for it. But the internal minimum is still 2,000 and you know it.

As for the behavior of this tiktok lady... *facepalm* cringe. Find it hard to believe she behaves this way in the office but she should probably stop talking about client work.

Then why were associates who were at 2300+ hours cut for "performance-based" issues during the recent lay offs?

[Anonymous User]

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

Anon for obvious reasons. I don't want to derail this thread but enough with the exaggeration about Kirkland. Yes people at the firm work hard. Yes often there is so much work that you may end up with over 2,300 hours without aiming for it. But the internal minimum is still 2,000 and you know it.

As for the behavior of this tiktok lady... *facepalm* cringe. Find it hard to believe she behaves this way in the office but she should probably stop talking about client work.

Then why were associates who were at 2300+ hours cut for "performance-based" issues during the recent lay offs?

This is not a good argument. The market is bad and they needed an excuse to cut associates. Sure, number of hours played a role in this decision but I can assure you their calculation did not come down to "let's cut the people that clocked only 2,200 hours!" Plenty of people that book slightly over 2,000 hours were not cut. This alone nullifies your argument.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

"People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself calling my employer who pays me $300,000 to redline a slaver, right, and vacation 10x as often as my colleagues.”

[Anonymous User]

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

Anon for obvious reasons. I don't want to derail this thread but enough with the exaggeration about Kirkland. Yes people at the firm work hard. Yes often there is so much work that you may end up with over 2,300 hours without aiming for it. But the internal minimum is still 2,000 and you know it.

As for the behavior of this tiktok lady... *facepalm* cringe. Find it hard to believe she behaves this way in the office but she should probably stop talking about client work.

Then why were associates who were at 2300+ hours cut for "performance-based" issues during the recent lay offs?

This is not a good argument. The market is bad and they needed an excuse to cut associates. Sure, number of hours played a role in this decision but I can assure you their calculation did not come down to "let's cut the people that clocked only 2,200 hours!" Plenty of people that book slightly over 2,000 hours were not cut. This alone nullifies your argument.

What is unnerving about Kirkland specifically is that you would hardly see other non-tech heavy firms cut people who clocked around 2300 hours during a downturn. The fact Kirkland cut so many people who were well above 2000 hours has unintentionally raised the internal hours minimum to 2300+ hours during a downturn market

[Anonymous User]

lol Kirkland has a no billable hours requirement, but the internal minimum is around 2300 at this point

Anon for obvious reasons. I don't want to derail this thread but enough with the exaggeration about Kirkland. Yes people at the firm work hard. Yes often there is so much work that you may end up with over 2,300 hours without aiming for it. But the internal minimum is still 2,000 and you know it.

As for the behavior of this tiktok lady... *facepalm* cringe. Find it hard to believe she behaves this way in the office but she should probably stop talking about client work.

Then why were associates who were at 2300+ hours cut for "performance-based" issues during the recent lay offs?

This is not a good argument. The market is bad and they needed an excuse to cut associates. Sure, number of hours played a role in this decision but I can assure you their calculation did not come down to "let's cut the people that clocked only 2,200 hours!" Plenty of people that book slightly over 2,000 hours were not cut. This alone nullifies your argument.

What is unnerving about Kirkland specifically is that you would hardly see other non-tech heavy firms cut people who clocked around 2300 hours during a downturn. The fact Kirkland cut so many people who were well above 2000 hours has unintentionally raised the internal hours minimum to 2300+ hours during a downturn market

Can agree it is unnerving to cut people clocking around 2,300 hours. Again though, a true internal minimum requires that those not hitting the number are cut. Plenty of people with hours between 2,000-2,050 are safe and well. Layoffs are based on various factors. I don't think the majority of attorneys at Kirkland are now afraid that they'll be up for the next round of terminations if they're not surpassing 2,300 hours.

[Anonymous User]

I interpreted "KE fired associates billing 2300" to mean that simply billing isn't enough, not that you need to bill more.

[Anonymous User]

Those associates need a TikTok presence so Kirkland will fear firing them.

[Anonymous User]

Those associates need a TikTok presence so Kirkland will fear firing them.

Considering the number of attorneys Kirkland has and the rate at which these Tiktok "stars" are popping up... a little surprised we haven't found a Kirkland attorney yet. Could be the requisite that to join Kirkland, one must lack personality and any and all passion in life.

[regardsjeremiah]

Coming from a GenZ perspective, please, if I can kick her out of our generation, I will. Can't bear the cringe and the entitlement oozing from her Tiktok videos.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

"People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself calling my employer who pays me $300,000 to redline a slaver, right, and vacation 10x as often as my colleagues.”

Maybe off topic, but I am kind of dealing with someone like this right now as a junior (although they're smart enough to not brag about this on TikTok) and I'm wondering how I should handle these situations of this person just like not really answering my emails and always being gone. I've covered for them and been like oh we're working on it, running a little behind, but I am starting to feel like the senior associate thinks we're both fuck ups instead of me being unable to get a response on their portion of the work in a reasonable amount of time. It also feels extra fucked cause this is pro-bono and this person like really needs our help and this person is like posting on insta going shopping while we have a tight deadline. I started CCing the senior associate and then this person replies off the CC list lol. I'm sort of shocked at the level of IDGAF for something that they volunteered for.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

"People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself calling my employer who pays me $300,000 to redline a slaver, right, and vacation 10x as often as my colleagues.”

Maybe off topic, but I am kind of dealing with someone like this right now as a junior (although they're smart enough to not brag about this on TikTok) and I'm wondering how I should handle these situations of this person just like not really answering my emails and always being gone. I've covered for them and been like oh we're working on it, running a little behind, but I am starting to feel like the senior associate thinks we're both fuck ups instead of me being unable to get a response on their portion of the work in a reasonable amount of time. It also feels extra fucked cause this is pro-bono and this person like really needs our help and this person is like posting on insta going shopping while we have a tight deadline. I started CCing the senior associate and then this person replies off the CC list lol. I'm sort of shocked at the level of IDGAF for something that they volunteered for.

Be direct and firm with the person that this isn’t ok. If they don’t shape up be candid with the senior about it and pretend the person doesn’t exist until they start showing signs of life.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this lady, I've considered making an OnlyFans. That is how much I don't want to do Biglaw for the rest of my life.

[Anonymous User]

As someone who has watched this tik toker for a while, I think she released the video because she is over working for them. There's been a tone shift in her recent videos where the more lighthearted complaints seem more serious and more cutting.

[Anonymous User]

To be fair to this creator she does seem to be aware and intentional about the image she is putting out there via TikTok.

An excerpt from an article she was featured in:

“I really feel like big law needs more people of color, and not only just people of color, people of color who are relaxed. People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself in a thong bikini, right, and have the same kind of impact.”

"People are so uptight because they have this idea of who you’re supposed to be in big law while you’re supposed to be conservative, you’re supposed to be this. Meanwhile, I’m posting myself calling my employer who pays me $300,000 to redline a slaver, right, and vacation 10x as often as my colleagues.”

Maybe off topic, but I am kind of dealing with someone like this right now as a junior (although they're smart enough to not brag about this on TikTok) and I'm wondering how I should handle these situations of this person just like not really answering my emails and always being gone. I've covered for them and been like oh we're working on it, running a little behind, but I am starting to feel like the senior associate thinks we're both fuck ups instead of me being unable to get a response on their portion of the work in a reasonable amount of time. It also feels extra fucked cause this is pro-bono and this person like really needs our help and this person is like posting on insta going shopping while we have a tight deadline. I started CCing the senior associate and then this person replies off the CC list lol. I'm sort of shocked at the level of IDGAF for something that they volunteered for.

Be direct and firm with the person that this isn’t ok. If they don’t shape up be candid with the senior about it and pretend the person doesn’t exist until they start showing signs of life.

In my opinion, you should have directly told the senior associate long ago. If you are afraid of coming off snitchy, frame this conversation as something you don’t really want to bring up but you need to because of how out of hand and consistent this person has behaved, to the detriment of your client and group performance

[Anonymous User]

Clicked on the links of this tiktok lawyer and went down a rabbit hole. What we need is a thread with a bracket style competition for who the cringiest tiktok big law attorney is. Holy hell would it be hard to settle on just one. These people are so embarrassing.

For no good reason here are a list of firms these attorneys work at or worked at:
- wachtell lipton
- paul weiss
- STB (there are more than a couple tiktok attorneys from this firm)
- jackson walker
- clifford chance
- mofo
- weil gotshal

[Anonymous User]

Clicked on the links of this tiktok lawyer and went down a rabbit hole. What we need is a thread with a bracket style competition for who the cringiest tiktok big law attorney is. Holy hell would it be hard to settle on just one. These people are so embarrassing.

For no good reason here are a list of firms these attorneys work at or worked at:
- wachtell lipton
- paul weiss
- STB (there are more than a couple tiktok attorneys from this firm)
- jackson walker
- clifford chance
- mofo
- weil gotshal

add their @s!

[Anonymous User]

I watched a few of these videos out of curiosity, and honestly I’m perplexed. Her lifestyle can’t be financially sustainable, can it? I get that biglaw lawyers make good money, but to (1) live in New York City, (2) buy a ton of luxury stuff all the time, (3) travel a bunch, (4) save money, and presumably (5) pay off educational debt strikes me as…hard? Something’s gotta give.

[Anonymous User]

I watched a few of these videos out of curiosity, and honestly I’m perplexed. Her lifestyle can’t be financially sustainable, can it? I get that biglaw lawyers make good money, but to (1) live in New York City, (2) buy a ton of luxury stuff all the time, (3) travel a bunch, (4) save money, and presumably (5) pay off educational debt strikes me as…hard? Something’s gotta give.

Her family is rich and paid for her schools.

[Anonymous User]

Those associates need a TikTok presence so Kirkland will fear firing them.

Considering the number of attorneys Kirkland has and the rate at which these Tiktok "stars" are popping up... a little surprised we haven't found a Kirkland attorney yet. Could be the requisite that to join Kirkland, one must lack personality and any and all passion in life.

https://www.tiktok.com/@thechicagoattorney

[Dahl]

It’s hilarious that her fans were asking if her law firm can take away her law license.

This woman is hoping her influencer career takes off and makes her more money than she could as a lawyer. And some influencers make a ridiculous amount so who knows but it seems unlikely. Are law schools starting to hold career counseling sessions on how to deal with social media as a lawyer? We used to get the typical “don’t post anything controversial”advice but the way social media is now I don’t think the current crop of kids understand that people actually will care if you’re embarrassing or come across as unprofessional.