Barack O'Drama wrote:mwells56 wrote:Haha, I wish that was my real attitude and not just a joke, but thank you.Barack O'Drama wrote:mwells56 wrote:Well people, my grind has officially begun. Did the first 2 hours of 7sage yesterday, brought my notebook to work so I can knock off a half hour during my lunch break. 3.5 weeks until I come home from Asia and will be able to go hard and use those 3 weeks before the registration deadline to officially decide if I'll be taking in September.
The journey to 180 starts now! (or... like... at least a 170....preferably a 172...but it's chill...right?)
That's the attitude to have! The Journey to 180! Consistent and deliberate actions will lead to that 170+ Also, 7Sage is amazing. Good choice.
I've been lurking with some light posting the last few weeks, I've seen you around a lot. Would like to commend you as a quality poster.
Thank you, mwells!
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Double check what I wrote. I had a typo for the second one. It should be Not R unless V should be diagrammed as R->V or Vnot->RnotNew_Spice180 wrote:the reason you have them R>V or Vnot>R is because it's true either way, correct? Additionally you can use either the contrapositive or the original statement to make inferences when necessary, right? I'm just clearing up some major hiccups I have in my understanding of conditional phrases.34iplaw wrote:Unless precedes the necessary statement. The negation of the other part of the statement is the sufficient.New_Spice180 wrote:I'm having a conditional logic break down, I thought I understood the use of "unless" and yet in many explanations I'm seeing are contrary to what I've been taught in the trainer and manhattan. When you have "unless" it's negate sufficient and then keep other part as is, correct? If I'm not mistaken that's what I have been taught, yet I'm seeing R never does anything unless V is available diagrammed as R--> V ( I thought the correct diagram is ~V---> R) Clarification on this rule would be helpful!
R unless V should be diagrammed as Rnot -> V or Vnot -> R
Not R unless V should be diagrammed as R -> V or Vnot ->R
Unless is the same as "Not...only if."
First statement [R unless V] is the same as "Not R only if V."
Second statement [Not R unless V] is the same as "Not Not R only if V" or "R only if V."
I think the part you are missing is that unless precedes the necessary statement. Not the sufficient.
Yes - it is true either way. The statement following the "or" in each scenario is the contrapositive [barring my initial typo]. Yes, you can use the contrapositive or the original statement to make inferences. They are synonymous statements. If the original statement and contrapositive are both present in an LR answer, you may eliminate them both. You can never have two right answers. I wouldn't rely on that latter strategy unless you are really comfortable with conditional logic.
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Glad to hear. I did have a typo though. The second line should read:Barack O'Drama wrote:Great explanation! Even clarified for me better than I understood. I just remember this: Unless is the same as "Not...only if." Helps if I ever get confused.34iplaw wrote:Unless precedes the necessary statement. The negation of the other part of the statement is the sufficient.New_Spice180 wrote:I'm having a conditional logic break down, I thought I understood the use of "unless" and yet in many explanations I'm seeing are contrary to what I've been taught in the trainer and manhattan. When you have "unless" it's negate sufficient and then keep other part as is, correct? If I'm not mistaken that's what I have been taught, yet I'm seeing R never does anything unless V is available diagrammed as R--> V ( I thought the correct diagram is ~V---> R) Clarification on this rule would be helpful!
R unless V should be diagrammed as Rnot -> V or Vnot -> R
Not R unless V should be diagrammed as R -> V or Vnot ->R
Unless is the same as "Not...only if."
First statement [R unless V] is the same as "Not R only if V."
Second statement [Not R unless V] is the same as "Not Not R only if V" or "R only if V."
I think the part you are missing is that unless precedes the necessary statement. Not the sufficient.
'Not R unless V should be diagrammed as R->V or Vnot -> Rnot
Posted elsewhere, but, if you get comfortable with conditional logic, it can help eliminate answer choices in LR. If a statement and it's contrapositive are both answer choices, you may eliminate them both. You can never have two right answers, and a statement and its contrapositive are synonymous.
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I'm not an expert, but I have started going through LR fairly methodically while doing my Testmasters homework. There's a few things you can do, and it largely depends how much time you have to commit. I just did my first homework on LR for a course . I'm focused solely on accuracy right now, as I can read through a LR section and get -3 to -6 just on being a strong reader. As I do the homework, I try to note *why* each answer I eliminate is wrong. If I can't confidently eliminate every answer choice besides the right one with justification, I circle it to pay special attention to it. I try very hard to note anything that I feel can be eliminated for the following reasons [and I may add more as I learn about them]Motivated wrote:Also, I don't know but it seems studying LR is the least rewarding in terms of score increase. I study LG only the day before I take a PT, RC approximately 1-2 days, and 4 -5 days I usually dedicate to LR. Granted I dont' study all day, I also have a job. But I feel like at this point with that much time spent on LR, I should see some improvement, rather than being stuck.Motivated wrote:Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?Alexandros wrote:I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.Motivated wrote:So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.
Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.
I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.
1) an incorrect reversal (i.e. the rule in question is A->B and the answer choice says B->A)
2) an incorrect negation (i.e. the rule in question is A -> B an the answer choice says A not -> B not)
3) two answer choices say the same thing (i.e. contrapositives of each other) and both can be eliminated
4) one answer choice eliminates another by forcing the other to be true (i.e. if answer choice C is made true by A, answer choice C cannot be the answer)
Maybe, you are getting 12 questions half right [you're frequently picking between two answer choices] rather than 6 entirely right. I feel like that made more sense in my head, but I think it conveyed the message! I'd make sure you hammer out the fundamentals. You can definitely get a -3 to -6 on LR without much knowledge of logic if you are a good reader [which -3RC somewhat indicates IMO.]
Anywho - I'm off to bed. Got really little done today...super hectic. Four hour class counts for something though. Going to do a lot this weekend, as next weekend will be off, more or less.
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aww. Don't see it that way. See it as an opportunity to do better and improve your mastery of LSAT.Mr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
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MeesMr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
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Nice to see a familiar face here!TheMikey wrote:MeesMr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
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checking in, friends
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
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Cara, sorry about your score not being what you wanted it to be. You will certainly get it next time though, I know you can!carasrook wrote:checking in, friends
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
Yeah I thought at worst I would go -3 in LG but I got -10. Like, wot. How did you do on game 2? It's the one that fucked me the most because now that I look at it, I think I misread a rule or something.
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Today I'm finally buckling down and doing some massive RC drilling. Going to drill 10 games, timed, and then type out the answers and explanations to each one I get wrong.
I will not let 1/4 of this test ruin the other 3/4.
I will not let 1/4 of this test ruin the other 3/4.
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Howdy, y'all, just dropping in to say good luck. It's sad to see so many familiar faces in this thread, but if you're in this thread mere hours after getting your scores back, you've got the right attitude and I know you'll do well.
I just typed this up and posted it in the June Waiters Thread, but I realized it would probably do more good here. Someone in that thread had asked how to get over their test-day issues without "meditation or any of that Eastern mumbo jumbo", but I've worked with a lot of people that have issues with testing and meditation is a phenomenal tool. Here's a short guide, free of flowery spiritual language, about how and why you should be meditating if you had issues with performing on test day.
Speaking as someone who has worked a lot with students that get psyched out by tests, meditation isn't "Eastern mumbo jumbo", and it is typically the most effective tool for every student I've work with. Here's a short guide, free of any mumbo jumbo, to give you an idea of what I mean by meditation.
Ground Rules:
Don't meditate in the morning after just waking up. Meditate at a "busy" point in your day where you're actively solving problems.
Don't have your phone with you or within earshot. You need to be isolated as much as you can.
Don't meditate in the same room that you study in. Find a "neutral" location or a place in your house/apartment that you don't use very much. This seems counterintuitive but it's actually kind of important
Don't cut your time short if you're busy. That cheats you and kind of defeats the entire point of meditation. Make time for this.
Now that you've got your ground rules, here's what you're going to do. Grab that watch you use for timing sections on the test and set it to five minutes. Go sit on the floor in a neutral location facing an empty wall, and stare at that wall for five minutes. Do your best to think about nothing. Don't make plans, don't solve problems, don't think about what you're doing next, and don't think about existential nonsense or anything like that. Just sit there and stare at the wall and do your absolute best to avoid thinking of anything in particular. If you're like me, for the entire first week you do this you're going to be thinking "this is stupid, this is so stupid". That's fine. You'll get over it. Sit there for five minutes, not a second more or less. Do that for two weeks, which should be about how long it takes for you to get over the fact that you're sitting in a corner staring at a wall. Also, don't close your eyes, because hopefully you don't take tests with your eyes closed. If you do, we just solved your problem and you don't need to meditate.
After two weeks, you're going to sit there for fifteen minutes. You're going to feel like you're wasting even more of your time on this nonsense, but just do it. Don't think about your breathing or heart rate or anything like that. Just sit there for fifteen minutes and actively tell your brain to stop solving problems. If you have a train of thought, actively think about something else. Do this every day for not a second more or less than fifteen minutes. You're not going to succeed at first, you might not get anywhere close to succeeding, but keep doing it anyway. The entire point of this is to gain the ability to actively tell your brain to stop its surface-level problem solving processes for however long you may need it to. If you're getting through fifteen minutes pretty easily, then try thirty. If you're getting through thirty easily, you're probably good.
This isn't about becoming one with yourself or anything, this is about re-calibrating a mechanical issue in your thought process. The fundamental problem of most people who have issues with test taking is that when they sit down to test, they cannot control the pace at which they think. Thoughts fly in and out more quickly than normal, or not at all, and instead of taking a deep breath and being able to normalize their thought process like many people can, they have to take the test with their mind running at a thousand miles per hour or crawling at a snail's pace. That's just too mentally exhausting to deal with over a long test like the LSAT. By sitting down and forcing yourself to stop solving problems at a time when your mind is running at a high speed, you're essentially practicing that "calming" sensation that most test-takers have some innate knowledge of; you're crafting an on/off switch in your mind for problem solving. Meditation isn't good because it helps you find yourself, it's good because it's essentially the drilling equivalent of mentally preparing yourself to take a test.
I just typed this up and posted it in the June Waiters Thread, but I realized it would probably do more good here. Someone in that thread had asked how to get over their test-day issues without "meditation or any of that Eastern mumbo jumbo", but I've worked with a lot of people that have issues with testing and meditation is a phenomenal tool. Here's a short guide, free of flowery spiritual language, about how and why you should be meditating if you had issues with performing on test day.
Speaking as someone who has worked a lot with students that get psyched out by tests, meditation isn't "Eastern mumbo jumbo", and it is typically the most effective tool for every student I've work with. Here's a short guide, free of any mumbo jumbo, to give you an idea of what I mean by meditation.
Ground Rules:
Don't meditate in the morning after just waking up. Meditate at a "busy" point in your day where you're actively solving problems.
Don't have your phone with you or within earshot. You need to be isolated as much as you can.
Don't meditate in the same room that you study in. Find a "neutral" location or a place in your house/apartment that you don't use very much. This seems counterintuitive but it's actually kind of important
Don't cut your time short if you're busy. That cheats you and kind of defeats the entire point of meditation. Make time for this.
Now that you've got your ground rules, here's what you're going to do. Grab that watch you use for timing sections on the test and set it to five minutes. Go sit on the floor in a neutral location facing an empty wall, and stare at that wall for five minutes. Do your best to think about nothing. Don't make plans, don't solve problems, don't think about what you're doing next, and don't think about existential nonsense or anything like that. Just sit there and stare at the wall and do your absolute best to avoid thinking of anything in particular. If you're like me, for the entire first week you do this you're going to be thinking "this is stupid, this is so stupid". That's fine. You'll get over it. Sit there for five minutes, not a second more or less. Do that for two weeks, which should be about how long it takes for you to get over the fact that you're sitting in a corner staring at a wall. Also, don't close your eyes, because hopefully you don't take tests with your eyes closed. If you do, we just solved your problem and you don't need to meditate.
After two weeks, you're going to sit there for fifteen minutes. You're going to feel like you're wasting even more of your time on this nonsense, but just do it. Don't think about your breathing or heart rate or anything like that. Just sit there for fifteen minutes and actively tell your brain to stop solving problems. If you have a train of thought, actively think about something else. Do this every day for not a second more or less than fifteen minutes. You're not going to succeed at first, you might not get anywhere close to succeeding, but keep doing it anyway. The entire point of this is to gain the ability to actively tell your brain to stop its surface-level problem solving processes for however long you may need it to. If you're getting through fifteen minutes pretty easily, then try thirty. If you're getting through thirty easily, you're probably good.
This isn't about becoming one with yourself or anything, this is about re-calibrating a mechanical issue in your thought process. The fundamental problem of most people who have issues with test taking is that when they sit down to test, they cannot control the pace at which they think. Thoughts fly in and out more quickly than normal, or not at all, and instead of taking a deep breath and being able to normalize their thought process like many people can, they have to take the test with their mind running at a thousand miles per hour or crawling at a snail's pace. That's just too mentally exhausting to deal with over a long test like the LSAT. By sitting down and forcing yourself to stop solving problems at a time when your mind is running at a high speed, you're essentially practicing that "calming" sensation that most test-takers have some innate knowledge of; you're crafting an on/off switch in your mind for problem solving. Meditation isn't good because it helps you find yourself, it's good because it's essentially the drilling equivalent of mentally preparing yourself to take a test.
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Amazing advice bird! I've never actually thought about meditation but I am 100% willing to try it at this point. You're completely right about the whole mind racing during the test thing. During PT and the real thing, I always found myself stressing over a previous question or the fact that I probably wasn't going to do well. I think that this meditation technique will benefit me. Especially for the June test, my nerves got to me and I was off focus for the majority of the first 2 sections which screwed me the most. Thanks again for the advice.BirdLawExpert wrote:Howdy, y'all, just dropping in to say good luck. It's sad to see so many familiar faces in this thread, but if you're in this thread mere hours after getting your scores back, you've got the right attitude and I know you'll do well.
I just typed this up and posted it in the June Waiters Thread, but I realized it would probably do more good here. Someone in that thread had asked how to get over their test-day issues without "meditation or any of that Eastern mumbo jumbo", but I've worked with a lot of people that have issues with testing and meditation is a phenomenal tool. Here's a short guide, free of flowery spiritual language, about how and why you should be meditating if you had issues with performing on test day.
Speaking as someone who has worked a lot with students that get psyched out by tests, meditation isn't "Eastern mumbo jumbo", and it is typically the most effective tool for every student I've work with. Here's a short guide, free of any mumbo jumbo, to give you an idea of what I mean by meditation.
Ground Rules:
Don't meditate in the morning after just waking up. Meditate at a "busy" point in your day where you're actively solving problems.
Don't have your phone with you or within earshot. You need to be isolated as much as you can.
Don't meditate in the same room that you study in. Find a "neutral" location or a place in your house/apartment that you don't use very much. This seems counterintuitive but it's actually kind of important
Don't cut your time short if you're busy. That cheats you and kind of defeats the entire point of meditation. Make time for this.
Now that you've got your ground rules, here's what you're going to do. Grab that watch you use for timing sections on the test and set it to five minutes. Go sit on the floor in a neutral location facing an empty wall, and stare at that wall for five minutes. Do your best to think about nothing. Don't make plans, don't solve problems, don't think about what you're doing next, and don't think about existential nonsense or anything like that. Just sit there and stare at the wall and do your absolute best to avoid thinking of anything in particular. If you're like me, for the entire first week you do this you're going to be thinking "this is stupid, this is so stupid". That's fine. You'll get over it. Sit there for five minutes, not a second more or less. Do that for two weeks, which should be about how long it takes for you to get over the fact that you're sitting in a corner staring at a wall. Also, don't close your eyes, because hopefully you don't take tests with your eyes closed. If you do, we just solved your problem and you don't need to meditate.
After two weeks, you're going to sit there for fifteen minutes. You're going to feel like you're wasting even more of your time on this nonsense, but just do it. Don't think about your breathing or heart rate or anything like that. Just sit there for fifteen minutes and actively tell your brain to stop solving problems. If you have a train of thought, actively think about something else. Do this every day for not a second more or less than fifteen minutes. You're not going to succeed at first, you might not get anywhere close to succeeding, but keep doing it anyway. The entire point of this is to gain the ability to actively tell your brain to stop its surface-level problem solving processes for however long you may need it to. If you're getting through fifteen minutes pretty easily, then try thirty. If you're getting through thirty easily, you're probably good.
This isn't about becoming one with yourself or anything, this is about re-calibrating a mechanical issue in your thought process. The fundamental problem of most people who have issues with test taking is that when they sit down to test, they cannot control the pace at which they think. Thoughts fly in and out more quickly than normal, or not at all, and instead of taking a deep breath and being able to normalize their thought process like many people can, they have to take the test with their mind running at a thousand miles per hour or crawling at a snail's pace. That's just too mentally exhausting to deal with over a long test like the LSAT. By sitting down and forcing yourself to stop solving problems at a time when your mind is running at a high speed, you're essentially practicing that "calming" sensation that most test-takers have some innate knowledge of; you're crafting an on/off switch in your mind for problem solving. Meditation isn't good because it helps you find yourself, it's good because it's essentially the drilling equivalent of mentally preparing yourself to take a test.
Also, I'm sure you're starting law school this fall and I just wanna say best of luck to you!
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Thanks! Hopefully it helps you out. Anyone should feel free to pm me if you want more information or clarifications, or just call me into the thread via quote. I've been working with students on test-taking skills since I was in high school, so chances are I've got experience with whatever you might be struggling with. Meditation is a great blanket tool, though, and anyone who is having issues with test day performance should seriously consider it.TheMikey wrote: Amazing advice bird! I've never actually thought about meditation but I am 100% willing to try it at this point. You're completely right about the whole mind racing during the test thing. During PT and the real thing, I always found myself stressing over a previous question or the fact that I probably wasn't going to do well. I think that this meditation technique will benefit me. Especially for the June test, my nerves got to me and I was off focus for the majority of the first 2 sections which screwed me the most. Thanks again for the advice.
Also, I'm sure you're starting law school this fall and I just wanna say best of luck to you!
And thanks for the well wishes! I'm excited to move up to Austin and get everything started. Until then I'll just be killing time, doing classic old man things like giving advice that nobody asked for haha.
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CTrus wrote:Checking in...June taker here...Here's to my third retake!
Mr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
Howdy to all the June peeps! Together we are gonna kill this September test!carasrook wrote:checking in, friends
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
Carasrook, I'm sorry to hear about that. The good news is it sounds like nerves might have just gotten the best of you. Take a couple weeks off and start with a fresh perspective on the test. Did you take / drill from every prep test 1-70s?
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
I still haven't gotten to go back and really look through it yet, but game 3 really messed me up. I skipped it because of time and came back and I think I must've misread it or something bc I really couldn't figure it out on test-day and ended up having to guess on like all of them, and then I missed 1 on game 2 and 2 on game 4, idek, I need to go back and figure out what happenedTheMikey wrote:Cara, sorry about your score not being what you wanted it to be. You will certainly get it next time though, I know you can!carasrook wrote:checking in, friends
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i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
Yeah I thought at worst I would go -3 in LG but I got -10. Like, wot. How did you do on game 2? It's the one that fucked me the most because now that I look at it, I think I misread a rule or something.
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
it's like literally my worst nightmare lol, idk how to just get over it, and yeah that's my plan! and yes...with the exception of a few of the tests i couldn't find (i think in like the 40s) and superprep 2, I pretty much drilled/PTed every test from test like 10-77Barack O'Drama wrote:CTrus wrote:Checking in...June taker here...Here's to my third retake!Mr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
Howdy to all the June peeps! Together we are gonna kill this September test!carasrook wrote:checking in, friends
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
Carasrook, I'm sorry to hear about that. The good news is it sounds like nerves might have just gotten the best of you. Take a couple weeks off and start with a fresh perspective on the test. Did you take / drill from every prep test 1-70s?
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
Checking in from June... I'm ready to take this test head on, and have pretty much only gone through the trainer and 10 or so PT's - I wasn't really exposed to the blind review process (I did a rough form of it just on my own) but that'll be my primary focus for the next few months. The only section I need to drill a lot is LG; I had a -10 on this test there - feelsbadman. I had a 159 (from a PT avg of 163 but rising) and will be excited to get that into the high 160's as I get better at LG
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
New resolution:
I'm going to start taking 6 section PT's from now until the actual test. Going to take them at 9:30, after a warmup section. I will NOT let myself be lulled into a false sense of security by inaccurate testing conditions.
I'm going to start taking 6 section PT's from now until the actual test. Going to take them at 9:30, after a warmup section. I will NOT let myself be lulled into a false sense of security by inaccurate testing conditions.
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
For some of the June retakers, I see two kind of recurring themes. One, some didn't perform up to par, because a particular game or passage threw them off. Two, some didn't prepare necessarily effectively. For those that fall into the first category, that really sucks, but you made the right decision to retake rather than apply with a low score. You also now have the benefit of experiencing the actual test. For those that fall into the second category, take a breather and develop a game plan. Make sure you study effectively for the test that you are taking!
Anywho, going to rewatch some of the Testmasters today. My next class is Tuesday which gives me six days to do 100 LR; 12 RC Passage; 12 LGs. I think I'm going to do a third of that every other day [30LR 4RC 4LG; 40LR 4RC 4LG; 30LR 4RC 4LG]. I'll do logic games on the other days with a focus on beginning some grouping, so that when we get into it in Testmasters that I have a pretty strong foundation.
For anyone with sufficient time, especially early in prep, I highly recommend trying to quickly go over why every answer choice is wrong as well as right. As you do questions in LR, mark if you feel a choice is an incorrect reversal, negation, etc. I feel like I have a much better grasp of LR for having done this. It takes a bit longer, but it helps IMO. At the absolute very least, you should make sure that you got the question right for the right reason!
LG trick that I liked that I had not thought of.
If you have a rule that says something like R_V and a rule that says PS, mark the not rules underneath the underscore. I'm not sure if it helps all that much, but it seems like it could help in some situations [i.e. if they add another block forcing a variable in or something].
Anywho, going to rewatch some of the Testmasters today. My next class is Tuesday which gives me six days to do 100 LR; 12 RC Passage; 12 LGs. I think I'm going to do a third of that every other day [30LR 4RC 4LG; 40LR 4RC 4LG; 30LR 4RC 4LG]. I'll do logic games on the other days with a focus on beginning some grouping, so that when we get into it in Testmasters that I have a pretty strong foundation.
For anyone with sufficient time, especially early in prep, I highly recommend trying to quickly go over why every answer choice is wrong as well as right. As you do questions in LR, mark if you feel a choice is an incorrect reversal, negation, etc. I feel like I have a much better grasp of LR for having done this. It takes a bit longer, but it helps IMO. At the absolute very least, you should make sure that you got the question right for the right reason!
LG trick that I liked that I had not thought of.
If you have a rule that says something like R_V and a rule that says PS, mark the not rules underneath the underscore. I'm not sure if it helps all that much, but it seems like it could help in some situations [i.e. if they add another block forcing a variable in or something].
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
Just got my ass handed to me by a simple in-out game. Gotta stay grindin'.
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
SweetTort, as always, I have to say, you inspire the hell out of me. When I get to fun PTs In was considering adding in an extra section eventually for extra endurance training. Plus it is always good practice!SweetTort wrote:New resolution:
I'm going to start taking 6 section PT's from now until the actual test. Going to take them at 9:30, after a warmup section. I will NOT let myself be lulled into a false sense of security by inaccurate testing conditions.
You and me both on those damn grouping games. I am going to be drilling them all day and trying to see which diagramming method for them to use. I don't like Powerscore, so I guess it is between MLSAT's logic chain or 7Sage's more stripped down approach.SweetTort wrote:Just got my ass handed to me by a simple in-out game. Gotta stay grindin'.
I've really started thinking of the LSAT as my enemy and I have to beat it! This is literally the only thing standing in our way from every school we want... One test, and our lives could change forever. Whatever it takes, we got this!
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
Well a big part of anxiety for test takers is a fear of the unknown. So now that you know what to expect more or less, you can prepare accordingly. Don't let the LSAT be your worst nightmare because everything considered, you did very well. You are just prudent and confident enough to know you can and will do better. Also, if you've exhausted most of the prep material, perhaps re-doing them is an option. Mike Kim, the author of the LSAT Trainer thinks that doing the same questions over and over is actually more helpful than just doing a bunch of questions. Maybe implement his 16 Week Free Study guide and try the LSAT Trainer. I know he has good advice on his thread for retakes and is always answering question... Shoot him a PM and he will lead you in the right direction.carasrook wrote:it's like literally my worst nightmare lol, idk how to just get over it, and yeah that's my plan! and yes...with the exception of a few of the tests i couldn't find (i think in like the 40s) and superprep 2, I pretty much drilled/PTed every test from test like 10-77Barack O'Drama wrote:CTrus wrote:Checking in...June taker here...Here's to my third retake!Mr. Meeseeks wrote:Post June test results checking in.
Howdy to all the June peeps! Together we are gonna kill this September test!carasrook wrote:checking in, friends
short bio:
i was PTing at an average of 169 and SOMEHOW managed a 161 on the june test... i'm still devastated about it and think i need to give myself another week or two before i start studying again, but i already registered for the september test, so here we go!!
any advice on where to begin for retakers? i was not planning on retaking, and thus, i don't think i have ANY fresh tests (i was dumb and wrote all over them - i think i may need to just buy tests again which is also a huge bummer after just paying $180 to take the test again)
also - i did my best ever in RC in june and absolutely bombed games. i knew it was happening during the test, but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was (-9). games are usually my best section, and i've never gotten more than 3 wrong per section. i also way underperformed in LR.
Carasrook, I'm sorry to hear about that. The good news is it sounds like nerves might have just gotten the best of you. Take a couple weeks off and start with a fresh perspective on the test. Did you take / drill from every prep test 1-70s?
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new OT pole)
I can't even remember what strategy Powerscore said for them.Barack O'Drama wrote:SweetTort, as always, I have to say, you inspire the hell out of me. When I get to fun PTs In was considering adding in an extra section eventually for extra endurance training. Plus it is always good practice!SweetTort wrote:New resolution:
I'm going to start taking 6 section PT's from now until the actual test. Going to take them at 9:30, after a warmup section. I will NOT let myself be lulled into a false sense of security by inaccurate testing conditions.
You and me both on those damn grouping games. I am going to be drilling them all day and trying to see which diagramming method for them to use. I don't like Powerscore, so I guess it is between MLSAT's logic chain or 7Sage's more stripped down approach.SweetTort wrote:Just got my ass handed to me by a simple in-out game. Gotta stay grindin'.
I've really started thinking of the LSAT as my enemy and I have to beat it! This is literally the only thing standing in our way from every school we want... One test, and our lives could change forever. Whatever it takes, we got this!
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