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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by somewhatferal » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:24 am

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somewhatferal wrote:I wish I could be more help. I don't think my preparation is replicable. I'm older, and I have essentially been doing tasks similar to the LR and RC sections as a job for the past six years. I wasn't very good at the LG section when I first started, but just becoming familiar with types of games has helped me out a lot. I don't recommend PowerScore or 7Sage's methods because I think they waste too much time (I have seen some 7Sage videos where he draws four different diagrams to figure out all of the possibilities. I think this wastes way too much time!)

Sorry, I know this is a "study group" thread. I shouldn't just post my results if I don't have anything helpful to say.
Don't think of it like that, keep sharing your progress no matter what, it's motivation! :)
Also out of curiosity, why do you say that diagramming multiple possibilities is a waste of time? Do you usually just let the questions guide your diagramming?
Mostly, I find that I never have enough room at the bottom of the page to do a lot of diagrams, that I lose track of which diagrams are paired together as alternate possibilities, etc. I understand it works for some people, but drawing out so much just stresses me out. I also find that drawing so much takes my mind off the game. Like, I'll draw two nice pretty diagrams mapping alternate possibilities, but then I'll forget what the rules actually say. I'm better at grasping the rules as words rather than as pictures, I think.

To answer your second question, yeah I often draw small diagrams next to individual questions.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:14 am

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TheMikey wrote:
somewhatferal wrote:I wish I could be more help. I don't think my preparation is replicable. I'm older, and I have essentially been doing tasks similar to the LR and RC sections as a job for the past six years. I wasn't very good at the LG section when I first started, but just becoming familiar with types of games has helped me out a lot. I don't recommend PowerScore or 7Sage's methods because I think they waste too much time (I have seen some 7Sage videos where he draws four different diagrams to figure out all of the possibilities. I think this wastes way too much time!)

Sorry, I know this is a "study group" thread. I shouldn't just post my results if I don't have anything helpful to say.
Don't think of it like that, keep sharing your progress no matter what, it's motivation! :)
Also out of curiosity, why do you say that diagramming multiple possibilities is a waste of time? Do you usually just let the questions guide your diagramming?
Mostly, I find that I never have enough room at the bottom of the page to do a lot of diagrams, that I lose track of which diagrams are paired together as alternate possibilities, etc. I understand it works for some people, but drawing out so much just stresses me out. I also find that drawing so much takes my mind off the game. Like, I'll draw two nice pretty diagrams mapping alternate possibilities, but then I'll forget what the rules actually say. I'm better at grasping the rules as words rather than as pictures, I think.

To answer your second question, yeah I often draw small diagrams next to individual questions.
Hmm interesting, thanks for sharing. I usually follow 7sage's method of diagramming possibilities before the questions, but sometimes I just go right into the questions and both ways work for me and I average around the same time for doing it all.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by dodint » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:41 am

The thing about 7Sage videos is that they're showing you most possible outcomes. On the test, once you hit on your answer and trust your method you move on and in the aggregate you don't diagram nearly as much as they do in the videos. I don't do it *exactly* like they do because I feel my diagrams are more intuitive at a glance, but it's pretty close.

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Post by Pozzo » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:02 am

dodint wrote:The thing about 7Sage videos is that they're showing you most possible outcomes. On the test, once you hit on your answer and trust your method you move on and in the aggregate you don't diagram nearly as much as they do in the videos. I don't do it *exactly* like they do because I feel my diagrams are more intuitive at a glance, but it's pretty close.
I totally agree with this. The real benefit of 7sage for me was giving me an idea of how to approach specific game types. The first time I tried to stick close to their method on a timed LG section, I spent so much time diagramming, trying to get every possibility, that I ended up rushing through the last game or two and doing much worse than I had been doing previously.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ayylmao » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:09 am

177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

Started from a 154 diagnostic, by the way.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:12 am

ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
I truly wish my RC score was -2... I'd trade my LG AND LR knowledge and relearn it all just to consistently go -0 to -2 on RC. Kudos to you my friend!

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ayylmao » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:20 am

TheMikey wrote:
ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
I truly wish my RC score was -2... I'd trade my LG AND LR knowledge and relearn it all just to consistently go -0 to -2 on RC. Kudos to you my friend!
Thank you, I realize it's really tough for most people if they don't already have a good feel for what the LSAT writers want. I definitely think it's learnable though. Replace RC with games and I echo your sentiment, notwithstanding my section score on this particular test.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:25 pm

ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

Started from a 154 diagnostic, by the way.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
nice score

Was this a fresh pt?

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Post by appind » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:34 pm

what is workload, loads of work/classes situation of people like?

how are those with jobs planning study around it?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

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ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

Started from a 154 diagnostic, by the way.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
Nice!

How long have you studied and how did you study?

How many PTs have you done?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ayylmao » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:43 pm

nerdylsat wrote:
ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

Started from a 154 diagnostic, by the way.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
Nice!

How long have you studied and how did you study?

How many PTs have you done?
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ayylmao wrote:177 on PT 61. -0 LG, -3 LR, -2 RC.

Started from a 154 diagnostic, by the way.

I'd be happier if I wasn't quite so inconsistent on games. Usually I'm in -2 territory and I redid games from PTs B and C and those just murdered me. I don't at all feel as though I've mastered the games. Also made some mistakes on LR and RC I shouldn't have made.
nice score

Was this a fresh pt?
I've been studying since September, and I've taken 27 full PTs since, plus loads more practice sections. I've probably done over 4,000 questions at this point. I'm trying to finish PT 77 a few days before test day. However, I didn't do a single PT between January 1 and February 18 because I decided to push my February take back to June and spend that time working exclusively on logic games. (My 154 diagnostic included a -22 on LG lol.) I've been doing 1 per week since, and I'll ratchet that up to two in about a month I think.

I started by taking old PTs to study, which is a terrible idea. Drill each section individually, master it, and then when you're confident in your ability to do each section, then move onto PTs. I'm naturally pretty good and LR (philosophy major) and RC (philosophy major), so, despite some horrific performances on those two sections here and there, studying for the LSAT has for me basically been about mastering logic games.

I'm certainly not there, and I think at this point I'll have to adjust my routine to get there. Usually I'll take a full PT on Thursday, blind review it, go over the answers I circled and/or got wrong, and then redo each section throughout the week untimed, thoroughly breaking down each stimulus, passage, game, and answer choice. Now I think I won't be so thorough about that piece, and instead use all my free time to drill games.

And yeah it was a fresh PT.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Pozzo » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:25 pm

PT 68 Section 4 Game 4 - anyone else struggle with this one? Would have had a perfect LG score on this test were it not for this question. I worked through it again, untimed, and was able to get to all the right answers. But man, not a ton to work with in the rules.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by longpig » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:28 pm

Just did PT 65, got a 174 (combined -4 on LR, -2 on RC, -3 on LG). Interesting to see how people really really thoroughly blind review their tests. I've been doing like 1-2 days of BR and other days mostly drilling but I'm considering taking BR more seriously, i.e. breaking down way more of the questions rather than just ones I circled.

Still haphazard about timing and don't know how to read an analog watch lol.

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Post by ayylmao » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:36 pm

longpig wrote:Just did PT 65, got a 174 (combined -4 on LR, -2 on RC, -3 on LG). Interesting to see how people really really thoroughly blind review their tests. I've been doing like 1-2 days of BR and other days mostly drilling but I'm considering taking BR more seriously, i.e. breaking down way more of the questions rather than just ones I circled.

Still haphazard about timing and don't know how to read an analog watch lol.
In my opinion, that's what you need to do to go from 174 to 180.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:03 pm

Just 7Sage'd the LGs from 33, 34, and 35.

Will try the ones I messed up on again tomorrow.

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Post by adultosaurus » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:07 am

yolo retake, checking in. (hello darkness, my old friend...)

165 on the Oct 15 LSAT, was consistently testing 172-173 before that. still mad i let the last section get under my skin -- -9 wtf. just ran a 169 on the Jun 07 test.

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Post by cantis » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 am

After finally hitting 170 for the first time on a PT about a week ago I decided to take a week long break to avoid burnout. Did some LR drilling and got absolutely destroyed. Lets hope I didn't forget everything that I learned.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ayylmao » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:54 am

cantis wrote:After finally hitting 170 for the first time on a PT about a week ago I decided to take a week long break to avoid burnout. Did some LR drilling and got absolutely destroyed. Lets hope I didn't forget everything that I learned.
That's not how the LSAT works. You're not memorizing and then purging your memory. You're searing a certain way of thinking into your brain. Shouldn't take too long for the gears to click back into rhythm again.

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Post by beenoparte125 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:08 pm

Took PT 37 today (I got this book to drill, but wanted to take a PT today but not use up one of the later tests).

Scored a 175, but I forgot to answer one LG question and that one question would have gotten me a 177!!

I would definitely recommend taking the LG section from this PT timed, as there are a few unusual games in here that really try to throw you for a loop and had me sweating.

Couple of thoughts- I perform MUCH better around 1:00pm than I do in the evenings after work. Also, still not confident with my answers on RC.. gotta drill, and this RC was a little easier than some of the more recent RC sections.

RC - 2
LR - 2
LG - 1
LR - 0

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by unodostres » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:16 pm

Pozzo wrote:PT 68 Section 4 Game 4 - anyone else struggle with this one? Would have had a perfect LG score on this test were it not for this question. I worked through it again, untimed, and was able to get to all the right answers. But man, not a ton to work with in the rules.
Just did this yesterday. Got stumped on q19 and slowed down. I had 15 min and still missed 3. About to redo it. Seemed like brute force was the only way?

edit: just did it. most of the incorrect acs are knocked out by certain deductions. i then tried the remaining acs and got my answer. pretty much panicked on this. shame cause i just finsihed it -0. bleh

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:14 pm

beenoparte125 wrote:Took PT 37 today (I got this book to drill, but wanted to take a PT today but not use up one of the later tests).

Scored a 175, but I forgot to answer one LG question and that one question would have gotten me a 177!!

I would definitely recommend taking the LG section from this PT timed, as there are a few unusual games in here that really try to throw you for a loop and had me sweating.

Couple of thoughts- I perform MUCH better around 1:00pm than I do in the evenings after work. Also, still not confident with my answers on RC.. gotta drill, and this RC was a little easier than some of the more recent RC sections.

RC - 2
LR - 2
LG - 1
LR - 0

good info abt tough lg. i'll add it to my list of lg that i need to do sometime soon as I've been looking for tough lg sections. I recently did all 20s, 31, 60s lgs and the older ones had some that were pretty tough. then based on 7sage difficulty rating, picked pt 18 lg, which didn't disappoint in difficulty.

the older rc is def easier, no matter what anyone says. I did pt-18 over weekend and went -3 RC and I am not good at recent rc.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by cantis » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:30 pm

ayylmao wrote:
cantis wrote:After finally hitting 170 for the first time on a PT about a week ago I decided to take a week long break to avoid burnout. Did some LR drilling and got absolutely destroyed. Lets hope I didn't forget everything that I learned.
That's not how the LSAT works. You're not memorizing and then purging your memory. You're searing a certain way of thinking into your brain. Shouldn't take too long for the gears to click back into rhythm again.
Yea, you're right. I was definitely overzealous w/ that post. Did 2 sections today and went -2 and -1 respectively.

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Post by appind » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:42 pm

cantis wrote:
ayylmao wrote:
cantis wrote:After finally hitting 170 for the first time on a PT about a week ago I decided to take a week long break to avoid burnout. Did some LR drilling and got absolutely destroyed. Lets hope I didn't forget everything that I learned.
That's not how the LSAT works. You're not memorizing and then purging your memory. You're searing a certain way of thinking into your brain. Shouldn't take too long for the gears to click back into rhythm again.
Yea, you're right. I was definitely overzealous w/ that post. Did 2 sections today and went -2 and -1 respectively.
you don't forget, but I think it takes time and warming up to get back in rhythm. I am much slower initially when I restart after a break.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Pozzo » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:15 pm

unodostres wrote:
Pozzo wrote:PT 68 Section 4 Game 4 - anyone else struggle with this one? Would have had a perfect LG score on this test were it not for this question. I worked through it again, untimed, and was able to get to all the right answers. But man, not a ton to work with in the rules.
Just did this yesterday. Got stumped on q19 and slowed down. I had 15 min and still missed 3. About to redo it. Seemed like brute force was the only way?

edit: just did it. most of the incorrect acs are knocked out by certain deductions. i then tried the remaining acs and got my answer. pretty much panicked on this. shame cause i just finsihed it -0. bleh
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