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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Lapp03 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:10 am

Hey guys!

LONGGGGG time lurker finally checking in!

Looking for some advice also. I'm about to start drilling LR and I'm wondering what is the best way/LR topic(s) to start with. I've done most of the background reading and also have the Cambridge packets. Ideally I want to spend about six weeks on LR before I start PT's for the last five weeks.

I've done a lot of work on LG & RC and managed to get to around -3 and -5 respectively but it's time now to focus more on LR.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :D

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Post by carasrook » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:35 am

R. Jeeves wrote:are test with harder LG sections offset with easier RC sections and vice versa? Sometimes it feels that way to me.

LG and RC are my most volatile sections. Sometimes I'm perfect and sometimes out of nowhere I go -4. But usually if i bomb LG (-4 or more) I do quite well on RC (-1 or -0) and vice versa.

I generally don't go below -2 combined on LR.
What's your secret? LR is my worst section. Any LR advice?

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Post by R. Jeeves » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:22 pm

carasrook wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:are test with harder LG sections offset with easier RC sections and vice versa? Sometimes it feels that way to me.

LG and RC are my most volatile sections. Sometimes I'm perfect and sometimes out of nowhere I go -4. But usually if i bomb LG (-4 or more) I do quite well on RC (-1 or -0) and vice versa.

I generally don't go below -2 combined on LR.
What's your secret? LR is my worst section. Any LR advice?
I wish I had some useful tips, but honestly I don't have any methodology for attacking LR. It was just something that clicked for me from the start and then after doing a lot of PTs I pretty much have LR mastered through sheer practice.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by lawperson17 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Hey guys! Would you recommend 7sage lsat starter? I've been going through the powerscore books, but honestly been slacking. Would love to hear some input. Thanks :)

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Post by New_Spice180 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:16 pm

Hey guys,

Just checking back in and I've been drilling Assumption questions for the past couple of days and I'm already starting to see an improvement in my confidence and my ability to bridge the gap. It's incredible but the explanations given to me in this forum really helped "expand my awareness" of what a feasible answer looks like! Thanks!

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Post by zeglo » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:59 pm

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Post by Sean_33 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:53 am

lawperson17 wrote:Hey guys! Would you recommend 7sage lsat starter? I've been going through the powerscore books, but honestly been slacking. Would love to hear some input. Thanks :)
Definitely. 7sage, IMO, is worth every penny.

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Post by New_Spice180 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:43 pm

I'm curious to know what would you guys say are the pros of 7sage? I really love their logic game explanations, but are their methods so much different from what you would see in the powerscore books? For instance I've already been studying for a month and got through both the powerscore bibles, would you all recommend that I use 7sage?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:20 pm

magooshtravis wrote:
If the students were innately better, they would have been innately better before the chess program as well as after. In other words, their grades would have been strong beforehand, and yet their grades still went up after the program. That implies that the chess program had some sort of effect even for the brightest kids at the school, thus strengthening the argument.
B does say that there grades were strong beforehand. note that it talks "pre-program" level of achievement, not post-program.
magooshtravis wrote: To answer your other question, I think "some" and "many" statements can influence a "most" statement, although it's uncommon. This question is an example of how they can. Most of the chess kids' grades went up, and the conclusion argues it's likely because of chess. The correct answer points out that at least some of those kids' grades went up for another reason. Thus, we have "some" weakening a "likely" conclusion about a "most" statement. Here's a parallel example:

Most apples that have been overwatered are unpopular with consumers. This is likely because the apples produce more sugar when it's hot and dry.

Answer choice: Studies have shown that the flesh of some apples deteriorates when it's exposed to too much water.

Notice how the answer choice doesn't disprove anything. It simply makes you wonder whether the overwatered apples suck because they haven't produced enough sugar or because their flesh has deteriorated.

In the same way, the correct answer choice here simply makes you wonder whether the students' grades went up because they learned how to play chess or because they studied harder to qualify for the chess team.
well the credited answer seems to support the bolded above. there are plenty of questions in lsat where a "some" statement would weaken a statement with definitive conclusion. but iirc there is an lsat question where a "some" statement doesn't weaken a "many" statement. according to your explanation, it should also weaken a "many" statement. why only "most" but not "many"? if the metaphorical line where a statement begins to weaken is so subjective, the question item is not beyond dispute. and the reasoning for an lsat question item is typically beyond dispute.
also, never before any lsat question had a "some" answer weakening a "most" conclusion and that's why it stands out. christine defenbaugh's quote in my previous post also runs contrary to the bolded above. how do you square that with the bolded?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by jbz2109 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:41 pm

Hi first time posting!!!!
Hope to use this thread to motivate and inspire me. Got a 171 on the Feb 2016, shooting for a 175+ so I have a chance at Yale or Harvard. Studied internationally for my undergrad (but I feel my gpa will probably be <25) so not how schools will assess it. Will draft my general study plan today and check out powerscore and 7sage (didn't even hear of these prep materials until after my first LSAT!)

Good luck to all -
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:44 pm

jbz2109 wrote:Hi first time posting!!!!
Hope to use this thread to motivate and inspire me. Got a 171 on the Feb 2016, shooting for a 175+ so I have a chance at Yale or Harvard. GPA is <25th percentile so ideally LSAT needs to be as high as possible. Will draft my general study plan today and check out powerscore and 7sage (didn't even hear of these prep materials until after my first LSAT!)

Good luck to all -
JZ
Nice LSAT score for a first take :D

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Hennessy » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:05 pm

PT yesterday. Wish I could drink a beer during the actual test. -3LR -6LG -0RC -3LG.

Ran out of time on LG by like 10 minutes. Suggestions? Diagram faster? Be smarter?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Hennessy » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:07 pm

jbz2109 wrote:Hi first time posting!!!!
Hope to use this thread to motivate and inspire me. Got a 171 on the Feb 2016, shooting for a 175+ so I have a chance at Yale or Harvard. Studied internationally for my undergrad (but I feel my gpa will probably be <25) so not how schools will assess it. Will draft my general study plan today and check out powerscore and 7sage (didn't even hear of these prep materials until after my first LSAT!)

Good luck to all -
JZ

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by R. Jeeves » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:53 am

To the RC masters of this thread:

I usually go between -2 and -4 for RC. On some lucky occasions I can go -0 or -1. I've gotten to this point without using any study materials (besides the PTs obv), but my goal now is to consistently go between -0 and -2.

Any tips on how I can step my game up? How should I be drilling RC? What materials should I use? Powerscore RC bible? 7sage?
Just keep practicing? any help would be appreciated.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by railyard » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:17 am

HennessyVSOP wrote:PT yesterday. Wish I could drink a beer during the actual test. -3LR -6LG -0RC -3LG.

Ran out of time on LG by like 10 minutes. Suggestions? Diagram faster? Be smarter?
Impressive other than the LG. How many LGs have you done? I drilled individual from 29-38, then 7-18 with some fulls, finally took full from 19-28 and could finally get my timing down with -0,-1. The more familiar you are, the better it is. I know that probably doesn't help that much.

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Post by sephora_addict » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:36 am

Wow. So I was sick for almost 2 weeks. And then this past week and a half I was just all kinds of lazy. So basically 3.5 weeks I went without studying. Not good. Back at it today. Wish me luck :(

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Post by Hennessy » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:49 am

railyard wrote:
HennessyVSOP wrote:PT yesterday. Wish I could drink a beer during the actual test. -3LR -6LG -0RC -3LG.

Ran out of time on LG by like 10 minutes. Suggestions? Diagram faster? Be smarter?
Impressive other than the LG. How many LGs have you done? I drilled individual from 29-38, then 7-18 with some fulls, finally took full from 19-28 and could finally get my timing down with -0,-1. The more familiar you are, the better it is. I know that probably doesn't help that much.
2 practice tests, all the drills in Manhattan LG, 2 more practice tests, just starting out really.

Thanks for the advice. I think I'm gonna use test 1-40 for drills and 40-60 for full/timed. Hoping that after +10 full/timed I'll be getting games done in 9min or less. Right now I'm finishing them in 13min or less. :?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by railyard » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:55 pm

HennessyVSOP wrote:
railyard wrote:
HennessyVSOP wrote:PT yesterday. Wish I could drink a beer during the actual test. -3LR -6LG -0RC -3LG.

Ran out of time on LG by like 10 minutes. Suggestions? Diagram faster? Be smarter?
Impressive other than the LG. How many LGs have you done? I drilled individual from 29-38, then 7-18 with some fulls, finally took full from 19-28 and could finally get my timing down with -0,-1. The more familiar you are, the better it is. I know that probably doesn't help that much.
2 practice tests, all the drills in Manhattan LG, 2 more practice tests, just starting out really.

Thanks for the advice. I think I'm gonna use test 1-40 for drills and 40-60 for full/timed. Hoping that after +10 full/timed I'll be getting games done in 9min or less. Right now I'm finishing them in 13min or less. :?
Also, try to photocopy the LGs if you can. After a month or so do them again.

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Post by railyard » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:10 pm

sephora_addict wrote:Wow. So I was sick for almost 2 weeks. And then this past week and a half I was just all kinds of lazy. So basically 3.5 weeks I went without studying. Not good. Back at it today. Wish me luck :(
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railyard wrote:
sephora_addict wrote:Wow. So I was sick for almost 2 weeks. And then this past week and a half I was just all kinds of lazy. So basically 3.5 weeks I went without studying. Not good. Back at it today. Wish me luck :(
You got this!! :D :D :D
Hey! Thanks :D

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Lapp03 wrote:Hey guys!

LONGGGGG time lurker finally checking in!

Looking for some advice also. I'm about to start drilling LR and I'm wondering what is the best way/LR topic(s) to start with. I've done most of the background reading and also have the Cambridge packets. Ideally I want to spend about six weeks on LR before I start PT's for the last five weeks.

I've done a lot of work on LG & RC and managed to get to around -3 and -5 respectively but it's time now to focus more on LR.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :D
Welcome fellow forum user. Can I ask why you're planning on waiting so long before you start PTing? If you wait until 5 weeks out then you'd be able to squeeze in maybe 10-15 PTS before test day, which is on the low side. I think most people here would recommend tackling at least a test every week or two just to really familiarize yourself with what to expect. It's also important to build up your stamina, which I think a lot of people underestimate. Taking a 3.5-hour test takes a bit of getting used to.

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Post by Mikey » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:59 pm

sephora_addict wrote:Wow. So I was sick for almost 2 weeks. And then this past week and a half I was just all kinds of lazy. So basically 3.5 weeks I went without studying. Not good. Back at it today. Wish me luck :(
Good to see you're better now! :D

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Post by railyard » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:50 pm

I am starting RC, anyone know which PTs are still relevant to drill? I've heard the later ones are easier and different, whereas the more modern ones are harder. Time really isn't an issue. I have time to review PT 7-18, 19-28, etc.. I just don't want to be reviewing something that has no benefit whatsoever. Thanks in advance.

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