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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by The Abyss » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:04 pm

gamerish wrote:
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gamerish wrote:If there is one thing being Poli Sci has instilled in me, it's a general loathing of discussing politics.
I enjoy following politics/policy and currently work in the field, but intentionally stayed away from majoring in PoliSci.
Good. It is, by far, the worst decision I have ever made.
Same here. I am lucky to have a decent job.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by The Abyss » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:06 pm

gamerish wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote:
gamerish wrote: Good. It is, by far, the worst decision I have ever made.
The content would have probably been great and I probably could have thrived as a PoliSci major. Mostly just wanted to avoid the people at my UG who were convinced they would all one day become politicians and were just majoring in Political Science because what else do you do if you want to go to law school :lol:

sry if this applies to any of you future politician gunners
It took majoring in Poli Sci for me to realize I don't even like politics. The only time I ever enjoyed my major was when I got to take classes that were about the law rather than politics.
I enjoyed political theory classes and law classes. Any American politics, comparative politics or IR classes I despised.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by EnderWiggin » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:07 pm

McJimJam wrote: Yeah but that was kinda the point, I wanted to see who y'all considered a moderate in the current Republican climate going on.
Ah, gotcha. Just couldn't tell to whom the Q was directed.

A: Kasich. I also like Rand Paul as a person, though I'm not a libertarian.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by EnderWiggin » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:10 pm

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EnderWiggin wrote: Congrats on being done!

Wow @ 102 questions. Were there two 26q LRs or did they slip in a 24th in LG/28th in RC?

two 26q LRs. i didn't even know that was a thing.

are we all assuming the release date will really be Monday the 26th?
Some smart money is on the 26th (including, I think, Killoran/the PowerScore crew's). Do alternate date test takers generally get their scores on the same day as regular administration date test takers?

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by mist4bison » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:13 pm

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RZ5646 wrote:Politics is actually a terrible conversation topic; it's just guaranteed that most people on a prelaw forum will have something to say about it.
I'd argue that's what makes it a great topic
+1

The issue that I see with talking politics is that people get defensive. It's about being willing to see other people's viewpoints and accepting that they really aren't wrong. You can agree and disagree about a topic, but I don't see the point in becoming as defensive and upset as a lot of people do when they talk politics. Basically, I see why you say it's a terrible conversation, because in a lot of situations it is. I think if all parties are mature enough--which seems to be the case in this thread thus far--it's easy enough to discuss. I also just find politics fascinating.

And gamerish, i specifically didn't major in polisci for that reason haha.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by EnderWiggin » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:14 pm

mist4bison wrote:
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RZ5646 wrote:Politics is actually a terrible conversation topic; it's just guaranteed that most people on a prelaw forum will have something to say about it.
I'd argue that's what makes it a great topic
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The issue that I see with talking politics is that people get defensive. It's about being willing to see other people's viewpoints and accepting that they really aren't wrong.
This.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:23 pm

mist4bison wrote:
cheesy145 wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:Politics is actually a terrible conversation topic; it's just guaranteed that most people on a prelaw forum will have something to say about it.
I'd argue that's what makes it a great topic
+1

The issue that I see with talking politics is that people get defensive. It's about being willing to see other people's viewpoints and accepting that they really aren't wrong. You can agree and disagree about a topic, but I don't see the point in becoming as defensive and upset as a lot of people do when they talk politics. Basically, I see why you say it's a terrible conversation, because in a lot of situations it is. I think if all parties are mature enough--which seems to be the case in this thread thus far--it's easy enough to discuss. I also just find politics fascinating.

And gamerish, i specifically didn't major in polisci for that reason haha.
People don't get defensive, it's just not something that can be talked about. If the conversation is at all productive, you soon reach a point where one person says "well I have this fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the other person says "I have a different fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the conversation is over.

If the conversation is not productive, people just talk in circles, get angry with each other, or treat politics like sports or celebrity gossip or some other pointless topic.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by mist4bison » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:31 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
mist4bison wrote:
cheesy145 wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:Politics is actually a terrible conversation topic; it's just guaranteed that most people on a prelaw forum will have something to say about it.
I'd argue that's what makes it a great topic
+1

The issue that I see with talking politics is that people get defensive. It's about being willing to see other people's viewpoints and accepting that they really aren't wrong. You can agree and disagree about a topic, but I don't see the point in becoming as defensive and upset as a lot of people do when they talk politics. Basically, I see why you say it's a terrible conversation, because in a lot of situations it is. I think if all parties are mature enough--which seems to be the case in this thread thus far--it's easy enough to discuss. I also just find politics fascinating.

And gamerish, i specifically didn't major in polisci for that reason haha.
People don't get defensive, it's just not something that can be talked about. If the conversation is at all productive, you soon reach a point where one person says "well I have this fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the other person says "I have a different fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the conversation is over.

If the conversation is not productive, people just talk in circles, get angry with each other, or treat politics like sports or celebrity gossip or some other pointless topic.
How many conversations have you had about politics? People most certainly get defensive. It's human nature. And this occurs because people are unwilling to accept others' views. Rarely does the conversation end with "I disagree" and "I disagree." I also think that there are in fact reasons that people have their "fundamental values." I certainly can explain the reasoning behind my political stances. The reasoning might not make perfect sense to you, but it does exist.

I will say, and I do not mean this in a derogatory way whatsoever, that being out of school has helped to open my mind in regards to other's views. It's also made discussing politics a lot more interesting than it was when i was in ugrad. I do remember most people simply believe "this is wrong/right because it is." I have found plenty of friends outside of college that can articulate their reasoning for certain views, though.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by mist4bison » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:34 pm

McJimJam wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:
People don't get defensive, it's just not something that can be talked about. If the conversation is at all productive, you soon reach a point where one person says "well I have this fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the other person says "I have a different fundamental value that I cannot explain or justify but nonetheless will forever base my thinking upon" and the conversation is over.

If the conversation is not productive, people just talk in circles, get angry with each other, or treat politics like sports or celebrity gossip or some other pointless topic.
That's assuming the only reason for these differing stands is different fundamental views. I agree that a lot of the time it seems to be, but sometimes it can just be a lack of information or a different rationale which can be changed through reasoning, although I might be being too optimistic with that last bit haha.
This is true. A perfect example is a younger person who is a republican/democrat because their parents are republicans/democrats and they don't really know what else they would be. I grew up thinking that I was a republican--because that's what my mom said we were--until I began to have an awareness of the actual issues.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:37 pm

I just think politics is like ethics in that you can argue about it and compare theories and evaluate them once some common ground has been agreed upon, but common ground is in short supply, and if someone has other values than you do, there's nothing you can do to bridge the gap and make rational discussion possible. Axiological beliefs always begin in some extra-rational realm.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by cub1014 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:38 pm

mist4bison wrote:
nlee10 wrote:
cheesy145 wrote:
SirArthurDayne wrote:So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?
The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)
I think his numbers will continue to decline as we get further down the primary with more debates and polls. I personally don't want an "outsider" so that rules out trump, Carson, and HP lady.
hP lady lol. Fiorina is a fucking disgrace to women everywhere.

I don't know if I agree. Everyone has continuously predicted that Trump will go down, and yet he's held strong. He's also starting to take advice from an advisor finally, which is evident from his past few interviews.
Anyone but Fiorina, ANYONE! All you have to do is read up on her business record to see how much of a disgrace she is.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by cub1014 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:43 pm

McJimJam wrote:
EnderWiggin wrote:
McJimJam wrote:
mist4bison wrote: Lol, right! I guarantee this is the most entertaining election we will see in our lives. What other candidate has sent water bottles to a sweaty opponent?
But Kanye 2020!
Also what Republican Candidate would any of you actually be willing to vote for? Bernie already seems to be the threads popular choice for Dems.
I imagine this question will result in some pretty different answers depending on the partisan leanings of who is answering. Doesn't seem fair to ask hardcore lefties which R they would be willing to vote for because it's likely the general consensus will be someone more moderate than who your average R primary voter would support.
Yeah but that was kinda the point, I wanted to see who y'all considered a moderate in the current Republican climate going on.
Most moderate Republican candidates in my opinion are probably Kasich and Christie. At least those two don't OUTRIGHT DENY global warming. lol

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by cub1014 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:44 pm

mist4bison wrote:
cheesy145 wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:Politics is actually a terrible conversation topic; it's just guaranteed that most people on a prelaw forum will have something to say about it.
I'd argue that's what makes it a great topic
+1

The issue that I see with talking politics is that people get defensive. It's about being willing to see other people's viewpoints and accepting that they really aren't wrong. You can agree and disagree about a topic, but I don't see the point in becoming as defensive and upset as a lot of people do when they talk politics. Basically, I see why you say it's a terrible conversation, because in a lot of situations it is. I think if all parties are mature enough--which seems to be the case in this thread thus far--it's easy enough to discuss. I also just find politics fascinating.

And gamerish, i specifically didn't major in polisci for that reason haha.
To your second sentence: +1,000,000

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by EnderWiggin » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:45 pm

theugg wrote:I love politics and follow everything very closely but I am too lazy to discuss them in detail over the Internet. Too much typing.
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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by mist4bison » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:47 pm

McJimJam wrote:Are we arguing how conducive arguing can be right now?

But anyways I do enjoy talking politics, sometimes it does end up giving me a good laugh because the reasoning behind some people doesn't go beyond because that's what my parents said so. Other times though it does kinda open me up to a completely new perspective, which might not necessarily alter my view but makes other stances plausible.
Haha, yes. I think we are. I'm done. Sorry for derailing the thread, guys...

For what it's worth, I don't hate Fiorina for her business record. I hate her because she's a woman and is shit for women's issues--birth control, abortion, equal pay, minimum wage,

ETA: I realize I said I was done and then continued to discuss politics...

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by nlee10 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:48 pm

mist4bison wrote:
McJimJam wrote:Are we arguing how conducive arguing can be right now?

But anyways I do enjoy talking politics, sometimes it does end up giving me a good laugh because the reasoning behind some people doesn't go beyond because that's what my parents said so. Other times though it does kinda open me up to a completely new perspective, which might not necessarily alter my view but makes other stances plausible.
Haha, yes. I think we are. I'm done. Sorry for derailing the thread, guys...

For what it's worth, I don't hate Fiorina for her business record. I hate her because she's a woman and is shit for women's issues--birth control, abortion, equal pay, minimum wage,

ETA: I realize I said I was done and then continued to discuss politics...
It's ok. Anything to keep us distracted from talking about the test.

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Re: The Official October Waiter's Oasis

Post by Ar40 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:49 pm

Which Saturday observer LG section was real? (Do all Saturday observers get the same experimental sections on Wednesday?)

The first one was SUPER Easy, I finished it with just enough time to spare. The second LG was my fourth section, was insanely hard, and scared the crap out of me. I frankly couldn't complete the 3rd and 4th game, besides for the setup questions. These 2 games echoed back to "mauve dino" difficulty, IMHO. With tons of possible solution sets, and weird rules.

I'm praying that the first section was real. I could see myself getting 2/3 wrong on it, but if the second set was real, I expect a minimum of 10 wrong. PLS someone tell me you didn't get the "Irrigation/Fertilized Potato slot 3 game" as game 3. PLS.

If not, how do non-Saturday curved grades work? If we all missed these, do I have a chance of getting a decent grade?

Also, based on the odds of there being a super EZ real set, or a super HARD set (multiple combinations of hybrid games, weird rules), which is more likely? If it helps, the other 4 sections of the test were fairly easy in comparison.

I'm so nervous.... EEK.
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