J07 LSAT Forum

[Cradle6]

Why is this LSAT not numbered? Looked online but to not avail.


One more question,

I have three PTs that I want to do before the September LSAT.

I used 1-40 for drilling, 41-71 (excluding the 50's) for the June LSAT, and I've been working through the 50's for the September LSAT. I just did 58 on Sunday, so I just have 59 and 60 left.

What should I use for the third PT? One of the superpreps? The aforementioned J07?

What order (assuming I'm doing one a weekend until the Sept. LSAT).

Thank you!

[ilikebaseball]

Why is this LSAT not numbered? Looked online but to not avail.


One more question,

I have three PTs that I want to do before the September LSAT.

I used 1-40 for drilling, 41-71 (excluding the 50's) for the June LSAT, and I've been working through the 50's for the September LSAT. I just did 58 on Sunday, so I just have 59 and 60 left.

What should I use for the third PT? One of the superpreps? The aforementioned J07?

What order (assuming I'm doing one a weekend until the Sept. LSAT).

Thank you!

Not really sure, but I do know that the LSAT was released for free. I think its referred to as PT 53.5?

[ilikebaseball]

I also know that this was a particularly easy test. Think the curve was -8? I finished the LG in 24 minutes. All 4 were below average in difficulty IMO

[Jeffort]

The June 2007 LSAT doesn't have a PT# because it was the first one when LSAC started administering the new RC format of having one comparative reading passage per RC section, meaning it's the first one of the current LSAT format. Due to that, instead of assigning it a PT number to release for sale as a PT they released it as the free sample Official LSAT PrepTest so that the free downloadable one on LSACs site represents the current modern format including the RC change comparative reading.

In short, June 2007 was the first officially administered LSAT with the new RC format that includes comparative reading. Comparative reading passages didn't exist on the LSAT before that test.

[Louis1127]

Why is this LSAT not numbered? Looked online but to not avail.


One more question,

I have three PTs that I want to do before the September LSAT.

I used 1-40 for drilling, 41-71 (excluding the 50's) for the June LSAT, and I've been working through the 50's for the September LSAT. I just did 58 on Sunday, so I just have 59 and 60 left.

What should I use for the third PT? One of the superpreps? The aforementioned J07?

What order (assuming I'm doing one a weekend until the Sept. LSAT).

Thank you!

Not really sure, but I do know that the LSAT was released for free. I think its referred to as PT 53.5?

51.5. But baseball is right about that it was easier than usual. I mean, the curve is harsh, but it's still easy. Louis1127 does not go -4 on RC (I did on this one).

[Cradle6]

Was this the test that LSAC outsourced?

A friend of mine said something about that, and it was uncharacteristically easy.

So what should I use for third test? Probably not this one then.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Was this the test that LSAC outsourced?

A friend of mine said something about that, and it was uncharacteristically easy.

So what should I use for third test? Probably not this one then.

I was about to say 72 but then I realized you took June. Superpreps?

[Jeffort]

Was this the test that LSAC outsourced?

A friend of mine said something about that, and it was uncharacteristically easy.

So what should I use for third test? Probably not this one then.

That test was written by the same LSAC test writers that write all LSAT test questions and was originally written to be and conform to all the USA/N. America LSAT test specifications just like all normal LSATs that have been administered for applying to N. America/ABA law schools.

As far as being 'outsourced', the June 2007 USA LSAT test-form was later modified by LSAC and made available as Official LSAT—India Free PrepTest #1
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http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... Layout.pdf

LSAT-India tests are a little bit different (easier) than the normal LSAT for applying to N. American LS's since it's only for people that want to go to law school and become a lawyer in India. The LSAT-India version of the June 07 USA test was just modified to make it conform to LSAT-India test specifications (easier than USA LSATs), but the original USA version is just another LSAT written like all USA LSATs by the same test writers to conform to the same USA LSATs test specs like all other available PTs.

The USA version is fine as a PT. Yeah, as people have mentioned the scale is tight because the LG and RC sections are easier than typical LG and RC sections, but the LR sections are pretty tough compared to typical LR sections. Given the tight curve, careless errors will hurt your score more so it's actually a good one to use leading into test day to see how you score since you have to get significantly more questions correct for each scaled score at the high end of the scale (160s & 170s) compared to other tests.

There's no reason not to use it as a timed PT if it's a 'fresh test' you've never looked at/done any of the questions from before.

Why not do more than three additional timed PTs and use the June 07, the ones from the SuperPrep and the other two you have fresh for more timed practice? The test is still three weeks away and taking two instead of one timed PT per week would probably help you more than doing just three more total provided that you take the time to review them all thoroughly before taking the next one.

PS: 'easier' test-forms are actually harder to get a high score on since the scale is less forgiving at the top end and careless errors are more costly, meaning you have to be extra-perfect on an 'easier' test to get a high score, making them actually better/more harsh indicators of your current score range/skill-ability level, especially if you're prone to making careless when under full timed test conditions with the extra stress and pressure.

[Cradle6]

Was this the test that LSAC outsourced?

A friend of mine said something about that, and it was uncharacteristically easy.

So what should I use for third test? Probably not this one then.

That test was written by the same LSAC test writers that write all LSAT test questions and was originally written to be and conform to all the USA/N. America LSAT test specifications just like all normal LSATs that have been administered for applying to N. America/ABA law schools.

As far as being 'outsourced', the June 2007 USA LSAT test-form was later modified by LSAC and made available as Official LSAT—India Free PrepTest #1
--LinkRemoved--
http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... Layout.pdf

LSAT-India tests are a little bit different (easier) than the normal LSAT for applying to N. American LS's since it's only for people that want to go to law school and become a lawyer in India. The LSAT-India version of the June 07 USA test was just modified to make it conform to LSAT-India test specifications (easier than USA LSATs), but the original USA version is just another LSAT written like all USA LSATs by the same test writers to conform to the same USA LSATs test specs like all other available PTs.

The USA version is fine as a PT. Yeah, as people have mentioned the scale is tight because the LG and RC sections are easier than typical LG and RC sections, but the LR sections are pretty tough compared to typical LR sections. Given the tight curve, careless errors will hurt your score more so it's actually a good one to use leading into test day to see how you score since you have to get significantly more questions correct for each scaled score at the high end of the scale (160s & 170s) compared to other tests.

There's no reason not to use it as a timed PT if it's a 'fresh test' you've never looked at/done any of the questions from before.

Why not do more than three additional timed PTs and use the June 07, the ones from the SuperPrep and the other two you have fresh for more timed practice? The test is still three weeks away and taking two instead of one timed PT per week would probably help you more than doing just three more total provided that you take the time to review them all thoroughly before taking the next one.

PS: 'easier' test-forms are actually harder to get a high score on since the scale is less forgiving at the top end and careless errors are more costly, meaning you have to be extra-perfect on an 'easier' test to get a high score, making them actually better/more harsh indicators of your current score range/skill-ability level, especially if you're prone to making careless when under full timed test conditions with the extra stress and pressure.

Thanks for the explanation. Makes a lot of sense.

To answer you question, I was doing three PTs a week for the 5 weeks leading up to the June LSAT (I was off for summer). I think it was a little too much, really burned me out since it took me longer to go over the test then to take it. LSAT every day morning to night for a month was my last approach.

I also just don't have those free blocks of time any more (unless I was going to do one PT on Saturday, one on Sunday).

It's true that easier tests are harder to score higher, but it's less challenging to question to question, it's just less margin for error. I don't know if that's as useful for study.

What's your opinion on the super preps? How do they compare to normal PTs?

Should I try it now and leave the normal PTs for later?

[Jeffort]

You're worrying about this way too much. It really doesn't matter which ones you use for your final timed PTs as long as they're fresh recent tests since your skill/ability level isn't going to get changed/damaged by which set of ones you decide to use. Ideally you want your final PTs to be recent tests that are totally fresh/unseen before, so use those last. For the others it's best for them to be recent and have comparative RC, so do use the June 07 if it's fresh to you. I don't understand your resistance to using that test. The scales are designed so that no matter how hard or easy a test form is, you're still supposed to end up with roughly the same scaled score that represents your actual objective LSAT skill and performance level regardless of the overall difficulty of the test-form. Of course the issue of different balance of difficulty between sections in different test-forms may matter if you're much weaker in a particular section type, like RC and want to be challenged with a fresh hard section of the type. The June 07 test wouldn't be ideal for challenging your RC or LGs skills with really difficult passages/games, but certainly tests your high end LR skills more heavily than most other test-forms.

If your main concern is trying to get the most accurate gauge/indicator/predictor of your current score range, obviously the most recent fresh ones would be best for that purpose. The SuperPrep ones don't have comparative RC and given their age, may not be as precise indicators of your current scaled score range but are still great for practice, especially for really hard LG sections.

Use all the fresh recent ones with comparative RC you have as your last PTs and pick whichever other one(s) you want to do before those. Two of the SuperPrep tests have super hard LG sections that are good for putting your LG skills to the test and the RC and LR sections of those tests aren't walks in the park either. Those two (B & C) have very generous scales because they are really hard tests overall so they're great for timed practice with many challenging questions, you just don't get comparative RC. That said, do at least one of the SuperPrep tests next.