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Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by agp2111 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:29 am

Hi,

Would love your help in breaking down the argument. I have a specific question about the assumption, which I'll post below the restatement of the stimulus:
"Psychologist: Some astrologers claim that our horoscopes completely determine our personalities, but this claim is false. I concede that identical twins - who are, of course, born at practically the same time - often do have similar personalities. However, birth records were examined to find two individuals who were born 40 years ago on the same day at exactly the same time - one in a hospital in Toronto and one in a hospital in New York. Personality tests revealed that the personalities of these two individuals are in fact different."
The correct answer: C - "The geographical difference between Toronto and New York did not result in the two individuals having different horoscopes"

My question: How can I identify this assumption in the argument? When I read the argument, I thought, "Well, if two individuals have different personality types, but born at the same time, they can still have the same horoscope. Perhaps a horoscope produces a variety of personality types different from another group of personality types produced by another horoscope."

Is that a fair assumption for me to make? How do you think I could have gone out identifying in advance the assumption of the correct answer choice?

I wonder if I'm simply mis-understanding the reasoning...

Thanks so much for your help!

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by mohdban » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:01 am

I will try to break it down the best way I could:

Premise: two individuals were born 40 years ago at the same time, one in New York and one in Toronto. Their personality types were revealed to be different.

Conclusion: therefore, horoscopes do not completely determine our personalities.

The bit about identical twins is only background and bears no impact on the reasoning here.

Now this is a required assumption question, meaning that the answer has to be 100% true, or otherwise the reasoning just breaks apart. I prephrased the answer upon reading the question to be: "being born at different locations does not result in having different horoscopes", which was the same as answer choice C. To test this answer choice, negate the statement and see how that impacts the reasoning. Obviously, if having been born in these different locations resulted in the two individuals having different horoscopes, then the author's reasoning breaks apart completely.

I think where you went wrong with your reasoning is you thought of it the opposite way. The author's reasoning is:

same horoscope != same personality traits

I hope this helps.

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Louis1127 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:46 am

I missed this question the first time and wanted to kick myself after reviewing it. And yes, you could absolutely identify the reasoning flaw before you dive into the answer choices (a process known informally as prephrasing).

Think about what the argument is doing. It's saying that horoscopes do not completely determine personalities, and then it tries to use a counterexample of two people who were born on the same day at exactly the same time - one in a hospital in Toronto and one in a hospital in New York.

So what's missing from this argument? Well, look t the conclusion. Then look at the counterexample. The counterexample doesn't prove the conclusion! In order for the counterexample (which is the support in this argument), we need to know that the two people in the counterexample do not have the same horoscope.

And (C) says exactly that.

Now don't you want to kick yourself, too? It's okay, I've been there :D

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Oskosh » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:55 am

Task: Find the assumption
Argument: Horoscopes don't determine one's personality.
Reasoning: Because a pair of individuals who were born at the same time in different location 40 years ago have different personalities.


If you ask yourself, "How does the reasoning not support the argument?," you arrive at the possibility that the author is assuming that location is not what influences horoscope, and not time. If you negate this (The geographical distance... resulted in the two individuals having different horoscopes), you destroy the author'r argument).

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by agp2111 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:56 am

Thanks for the explanations.

I'm still confused as to how the author even assumes that the two individuals born 40 years ago have the same horoscope. All I can see is that it's assuming that completely determines is equivalent to producing similar personalities. I didn't think the author needed the individuals to have the same horoscopes in order to make his conclusion.

This to me suggests I'm missing something, perhaps more fundamental, about what the conclusion on its own even means.

How can I read it such that I see that he is assuming they share the same horoscope?

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Phil Brooks » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:05 pm

Conclusion:
Same horoscope NOT= Same Personality

Reasoning:
These two random people NOT= Same Personality


To make the reasoning remotely relevant to the conclusion, author must assume that these two random people had the same horoscope.

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Louis1127 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:42 pm

agp2111 wrote:Thanks for the explanations.

I'm still confused as to how the author even assumes that the two individuals born 40 years ago have the same horoscope.
Because look at what the author is doing. (S)he is saying that horoscopes don't determine personalities because hey, look at these two individuals born in separate places at the same time and had different personalities!

But how in the world does that counterexample prove that horoscopes did not completely determine their personalities? It doesn't because we don't know that they have different horoscopes, which is the missing link we are looking for.
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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Daily_Double » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:13 pm

An assumption....depends? Woohooo! A necessary assumption question. You know the drill, conclusion, premises, gap (ask yourself why is the conclusion not necessarily true?), prephrase something that must be true if the author's conclusion can possibly be true, then move to the answers.

Let's get the ball rolling and identify the conclusion, premises, and the gap between them. I'll represent the first two with a diagram, then I'll talk some more about the gap:

Argument Structure

View1: Horoscopes define our personalities
(1) Records establish that two people born with the same birthday and time of birth have different personalities
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CONCL: View1 is false

You'll notice that I left out a couple phrases in the premises, let me explain why. I left out the second sentence, because it doesn't really contribute to the author's conclusion, instead by conceding this point, the author supports View1. I also left out the location element of the premise in the third sentence because it's descriptive information---is it important? Yes. But I left it out of the structure because I wanted the bare bones of the argument. I'll bring it up it in the next step.

The Gap: Why the Conclusion is not necessarily true

So we have a common method of reasoning (A view is introduced, then refuted based upon a premise that seems to establish an exception to the rule mentioned in the view). The gap, in this situation will always be related to the premise and whether or not it truly renders the view not necessarily true. Let's look a little closer:

Our premise is drawn from records and our conclusion (that View1 is false) related to horoscopes. Notice that our premise doesn't explicitly establish that the people mentioned in the records have the same horoscope---that's the assumption. Now if we were to attack this argument, we would likely point out that these records may be flawed in some way, or that even if these records are true, the fact that two people were born at the same time, and on the same day, doesn't necessarily mean they have the same horoscope.

Side note: I really don't know much about horoscopes. I seem to remember that they might be related to the month in which a person was born, but I'm not really even sure that's always the case. I'm totally ok with that, because what I do know is that there's a shift in scope in this argument based upon what is sufficient for the same horoscope. And I know that's the case because unless something is explicitly stated in an argument, then it's assumed to be true, and that's exactly what's going on here.

So the issue is whether the two individuals mentioned in the records have the same horoscope and this turns on whether the time and date of birth are the only relevant factors in determining a person's horoscope.

If either of these things are not true, then the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the premises because where two people have different horoscopes, or where they don't necessarily have the same horoscope, the conclusion (that View1 is false) is far from certain. In fact, if either of these facts are wrong, then the view the author is trying to weaken is supported, not refuted, because in that case we would have people with different horoscopes (or not necessarily the same horoscope) and different personalities, which follows from the causal view the author is trying to weaken.

Now let's look at your question:
agp2111 wrote:My question: How can I identify this assumption in the argument? When I read the argument, I thought, "Well, if two individuals have different personality types, but born at the same time, they can still have the same horoscope. Perhaps a horoscope produces a variety of personality types different from another group of personality types produced by another horoscope."

Is that a fair assumption for me to make? How do you think I could have gone out identifying in advance the assumption of the correct answer choice?
Well it's important to note that the author essentially says that some thing A doesn't always completely determine B. The view the author is trying to counter in simpler form is that A causes B on it's own. To weaken this the author attempts to show that A does not result in B all the time.

The author tries to establish this by using an example of something that appears to fit the definition of A, and does not result in B. Thus, the issue is whether the author's example actually does match the cause stated in the view he is trying to refute. Because if it does, if the author's example is the same as the stated condition in the view he is refuting, and since his example produces different effects, then his position is correct. But if not, if the author's example does not produce the same condition in the view he is refuting, then his conclusion doesn't follow from the premises.

The bolded phrase in quotes above, is precisely the issue. Maybe the fact that two people were born at the same time and on the same day does produce the same horoscope for those people, BUT THE AUTHOR HASN'T ESTABLISHED THAT!

I didn't really get into the answers, but based upon a brief skim of them, the right one jumps off the page, B might be a contender but it's also pretty easy to dismiss. If you want a bit of analysis on the answers, just let me know.

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by agp2111 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:35 pm

Thank you, Daily_Double, for the extremely helpful explanation. I can now say I finally understand. What made the difference for me was the section where you described the conclusion in terms of A causing B. This enabled me to better understand how the author was trying to use the birth records as support in the first place.

I realize my mistake was simply not fully understanding the argument the author was making. But now I see that since his conclusion was that A does not cause B, he tried to show that when A happens, B doesn't always happen. With this context, I was able to see that he was assuming that they had the same horoscope, but that the same personality was not the result.

Thanks again for being terrifically helpful and detailed in your replies. Test takers like me couldn't be more grateful :)

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Re: Identify Assumption - PT 28 (1, #21)

Post by Daily_Double » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:59 pm

agp2111 wrote:I realize my mistake was simply not fully understanding the argument the author was making. But now I see that since his conclusion was that A does not cause B, he tried to show that when A happens, B doesn't always happen. With this context, I was able to see that he was assuming that they had the same horoscope, but that the same personality was not the result.

Thanks again for being terrifically helpful and detailed in your replies. Test takers like me couldn't be more grateful :)
Yeah no problem, happy to help. I kinda miss tutoring and working with this test----I acknowledge that this may be a character flaw.... I'm going to assume it's not.

The phrase bolded above is really what you want to take away from this question. Make sure that in the future you don't move towards the answers until you understand the stimulus. An easy way to know if you've satisfied this step is to consciously ask yourself the questions below. You'll notice that each of these follow the intuitive ways you already work through questions---find what you're asked to do in the stem, do it in the stimulus by making a prephrase, then analyze the answers to find which one has the same effect. But you have to ingrain these habits, or else you might be misled by an answer choice.

1. Is the stem asking me to analyze an argument (Assumption Family), make a valid inference (Inference Family), or read the argument for structure (Structure Family)

2. If Assumption, then why is the conclusion not necessarily true (Flaw, Evaluate the Argument)? How could I make the conclusion more likely to be true, or completely true (strengthen, S/A, Principle Identify)? How could I make the conclusion less likely to be true, or make it false (weaken and N/A)?

3. If Inference, then which facts connect directly or indirectly in the stimulus? What can I infer from them (MBT, MSS, Complete the passage, Principle Apply)? If there are two views/speakers, then which facts relate to each other and how do they relate (Pt at Issue)? If there's an issue between two facts then what would resolve both sides of that issue (Paradox)?

4. If Structure, then how does the author reach his conclusion (Method Argument, Parallel, Parallel Flaw)? Which sentences are premises? What do they support? What is the main conclusion (Method Part, Main Conclusion)?

These are just guidelines, and you probably know everything I just typed, but consciously integrating them into how you think through each question ensures that you don't make errors which you later recognize to be obvious mistakes. Give it a shot, and good luck.

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