Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"? Forum
- MS415
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Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
Hey Guys. I just wanted to see if someone can tell me how to denote "A or B but not both" in formal logic with both sides of the contra-positive. Thanks in advance.
Edit: I meant to write If X -> then A or B but not both. ( sorry).
Edit: I meant to write If X -> then A or B but not both. ( sorry).
- jitsubruin
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
A +B ---> not x
X ----> A or B
X ----> A or B
- dingbat
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
not (A or B) ----> not Xjitsubruin wrote:A +B ---> not x
X ----> A or B
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
dingbat wrote:not (A or B) ----> not Xjitsubruin wrote:A +B ---> not x
X ----> A or B
X --- > [(A or B) & ~(A & B)]
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
Dingbat's response = contrapositive to jitsu's second statement.Cerebro wrote:dingbat wrote:not (A or B) ----> not Xjitsubruin wrote:A +B ---> not x
X ----> A or B
X --- > [(A or B) & ~(A & B)]
Cerebro's X -> ~(A & B) = contrapositive to jitsu's first statement.
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
X -> (A or B) and (~A or ~B)
There are a few ways to write it (as seen above), but I find this to be the most straight-forward, the easiest to remember, and the easiest to work with.
There are a few ways to write it (as seen above), but I find this to be the most straight-forward, the easiest to remember, and the easiest to work with.
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
Celebro is right, X ---> [ (A OR B) & ~(A & B) ] is the correct logical formulation.
I’m not sure I understood the suggestions for the contrapositive above. So I’ll just suggest my own.
X ---> [ (A OR B) & ~(A & B) ]
So reverse and negate both sides .
~ [ (A OR B) and ~(A & B) ] ---> ~X
Then put the negation inside the brackets, and throw away the brackets.
~(A OR B) OR ~( A & B) ----> ~X
Then put the negations inside the parentheses.
(~A & ~B ) OR (~A OR ~B) ---> X
so (~A & ~B ) OR (~A OR ~B) ---> X is the contrapositive.
I’m not sure I understood the suggestions for the contrapositive above. So I’ll just suggest my own.
X ---> [ (A OR B) & ~(A & B) ]
So reverse and negate both sides .
~ [ (A OR B) and ~(A & B) ] ---> ~X
Then put the negation inside the brackets, and throw away the brackets.
~(A OR B) OR ~( A & B) ----> ~X
Then put the negations inside the parentheses.
(~A & ~B ) OR (~A OR ~B) ---> X
so (~A & ~B ) OR (~A OR ~B) ---> X is the contrapositive.
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
I don't have time to see where you went wrong, but that's not the correct contrapositive. Especially since it's redundant - the first parenthetical is included in the second parenthetical. And you forgot the negation of X.TylerJonesMPLS wrote: so (~A & ~B ) OR (~A OR ~B) ---> X is the contrapositive.
I'm going back to my formulation because there's no need to mess with moving negations around:
X -> (A OR B) AND (~A OR ~B) (which is the same as Celebro, if you move the negation inside the second parenthetical instead of keeping it outside - it's more symmetrical that way)
(A OR B) is saying at least one of A or B; (~A OR ~B) is the same as saying not both A and B. Put them together and you get at least one, but not both.
Contrapositive:
(A AND B) OR (~A AND ~B) -> ~X
If I have both, or if I have neither, I don't have X.
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Re: Formal logc of " If X then A or B but not both"?
The question is how to translate the sentence "If X then A or B but not both" into propositional logic, and to show the contrapositive.
Celebro's answer to the question of how to put the sentence in propositional logic is obviously correct: X ---> [(A OR B) AND ~(A AND B)]
(One can use DeMorgan's laws to derive (~A OR ~B) from ~(A AND B), but that requires a second step in the logic.)
I apologize for the typos and miscounting the negations in my earlier post; I wrote it out too quickly and carelessly. I will will begin with Celebro's formulation, and derive the contrapositive in two ways, because one may be easier to see than the other.
1. X > [(A or B) and ~(A and B)]
2. ~ [(A or B) and ~(A and B)] > ~X
3. [~(A or B) or ~~(A and B)] > ~X
4. [~(A or B) or (A and B)] > ~X
5. [(~A and ~B) or (A and B)] > ~X
1. X > [(A or B) and ~(A and B)]
2. X > [~(~A and ~B) and ~(A and B)]
3. ~[~(~A and ~B) and ~(A and B)] > ~X
4. [~~(~A and ~B) or ~~(A and B)] > ~X
5. (~A and ~B) or (A and B)] > ~X
Celebro's answer to the question of how to put the sentence in propositional logic is obviously correct: X ---> [(A OR B) AND ~(A AND B)]
(One can use DeMorgan's laws to derive (~A OR ~B) from ~(A AND B), but that requires a second step in the logic.)
I apologize for the typos and miscounting the negations in my earlier post; I wrote it out too quickly and carelessly. I will will begin with Celebro's formulation, and derive the contrapositive in two ways, because one may be easier to see than the other.
1. X > [(A or B) and ~(A and B)]
2. ~ [(A or B) and ~(A and B)] > ~X
3. [~(A or B) or ~~(A and B)] > ~X
4. [~(A or B) or (A and B)] > ~X
5. [(~A and ~B) or (A and B)] > ~X
1. X > [(A or B) and ~(A and B)]
2. X > [~(~A and ~B) and ~(A and B)]
3. ~[~(~A and ~B) and ~(A and B)] > ~X
4. [~~(~A and ~B) or ~~(A and B)] > ~X
5. (~A and ~B) or (A and B)] > ~X