PT 9, Game 2 Forum

[ngogirl]

Hi I posted my question on the Manhattan forum last night, and have not heard back, can someone please, please, PLEASE help me out??

I took a picture of my diagram, but I don't know how to attach it to this post...

I need help with #s 9 and 11.

I am one of the preppers who frames the in/out games.

For #9, I had my answers narrowed down to B, C, D and I guessed B. From all my hypotheticals, I wasn't able to eliminate one of the 3, because they all appeared. Do you have any idea how I can derive at the correct answer?

For #11, I was choosing between B and E, I chose E because both N and L restrict the other answers into place based on the rule. Why is it B? My diagram was: in KNLQ out MJP. Is B the answer because K and L can exist without N and Q? but in this case, N and Q ARE in so that would force K and L to be in, sorry, this is enervating me!!!

[Manhattan LSAT Noah]

Since I'll end up answering it there too, here goes!

#9: you could consider the game like this:

In: K/J, N/P, ? ?
Out, K/J, N/P, ?

Who's left to fill those empty slots? Q, L and M. We'll need to use two of them. So, any answer that says we need one of the two of them will be correct. B nails it! Every other answer includes one of the other elements.

I'll look at 11 in a second.

[Manhattan LSAT Noah]

For 11, with M out, you know that Q and L must be in to fill the two slots that K/J and N/P won't fill. With Q in, we know K is in, J is out. So, we end up with this:

In: N/P, K, Q, L
Out: N/P, J, M

(B) is a clear winner.

(A) references J, who is out.
(C) references P, an unknown.
(D) references P, an unknown.
(E) references N, an unknown.

[ngogirl]

Thanks so much! That really clarified things for me!!

With #11, I forced N to go in, precluding the realization that P can also go in!! Thanks Noah!

[AffordablePrep]

In in/out, it is generally easier to focus on who you don't have over who you do have when there's an exact # as on any game in the LSAT's history when a number is specified, it's always greater than 50% of the characters. By default it's therefore quicker to just find out who you don't have so rules like if A then no B, become especially valuable as you know that at least one of them will not be there going into each "if" question.