Older Preptests Forum

[BillsFan9907]

What's all this talk I am seeing about how older Preptests are pretty much useless?

[tourdeforcex]

i'm not sure about your terminology regarding performance IQ

but what i believe and what others on TLS will say is that games are very learnable. you probably don't need to take a course if you can be disciplined enough. buy/get a copy of PowerScore's Logic Games Bible. do it. and just keep doing games. record how long it takes to solve a game and redo it 1 month later.

hth

[Adjudicator]

First of all, nobody cares about IQ.

Second, you can learn LG. I don't know what this IQ stuff is that you're talking about but most people consider LG the most learnable section. I improved my LG from missing about half the section on my first LSAT to missing only 1 problem on my second LSAT. Just by practicing.

[ladybug89]

Agree that IQ as a concept is relevant to nothing, but I think you're asking about how it generally reflects people's core skills.

I have good verbal skills but terrible spatial/performance skills, which, yes, are related to skill in LG. And while it's not easily possible to make those improve those skills in like, life, you can learn methods to get better at LG. I have, anyway! Have you read the powerscore bibles? How many are you currently missing per LG section?

[Nulli Secundus]

First of all, in my opinion, classifications of IQ is just a form of justification for dumb people (BUT MY EMOTIONAL IQ IS SOOO HIGHHH!!!1). Secondly, only your diagnostic may have a low chance of correlating with your actual IQ, other than that the only thing it correlates with is the time spent drilling the question types. HTH.

[Kabuo]

First of all, in my opinion, classifications of IQ is just a form of justification for dumb people (BUT MY EMOTIONAL IQ IS SOOO HIGHHH!!!1). Secondly, only your diagnostic may have a low chance of correlating with your actual IQ, other than that the only thing it correlates with is the time spent drilling the question types. HTH.

Might correlate with the ceiling too, but lol @ emotional IQ.

[BillsFan9907]

I'm looking at the powerscore logic games bible now. How much of an improvement has it made for others?

[Curry]

Agree that IQ as a concept is relevant to nothing, but I think you're asking about how it generally reflects people's core skills.

I have good verbal skills but terrible spatial/performance skills, which, yes, are related to skill in LG. And while it's not easily possible to make those improve those skills in like, life, you can learn methods to get better at LG. I have, anyway! Have you read the powerscore bibles? How many are you currently missing per LG section?

I'm completing 2.5 sections in the 35 minutes.

I'm looking at the powerscore logic games bible now. How much of an improvement has it made for others?

I went from -10-12 to -0-2

[alexonfyre]

FWIW I have a 155 Performance IQ and I generally get 4-5 questions wrong in LG. I don't think IQ has anything to do with anything, but practice and study have everything to do with success.

[coldshoulder]

Powerscore LGB has improved me on practice tests from -17 to -3 in a week. Use it. Love it.
I thought I was terrible at LG too, it just takes practice and knowledge of techniques.

[lovejopd]

LG is easy to learn once you know how to set up the game properly...Learnable. Grab and hit the book. It is all you need Cheers!

[ladybug89]

I went from -10-12 to -0-2

Same. I'm still a little slow, but knowing how to set the games up makes a huge difference for people who can't mentally track all the variables, which is what I basically tried to do on my diag, not knowing any better. (infuriatingly, my math major boyfriend who can do lg sections in his head. he has good spatial skills. aaarrghh.)

anyways, echoing everyone else, it's totally learnable.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

First of all, in my opinion, classifications of IQ is just a form of justification for dumb people (BUT MY EMOTIONAL IQ IS SOOO HIGHHH!!!1). Secondly, only your diagnostic may have a low chance of correlating with your actual IQ, other than that the only thing it correlates with is the time spent drilling the question types. HTH.

Might correlate with the ceiling too, but lol @ emotional IQ.

pretty sure it's EQ, not emotional IQ, because it doesn't measure intelligence, thus couldn't possibly be a justification for a low IQ, because it's a determining something entirely different. It'd be the same thing to make fun of someone's benchpress as a justification for their low IQ

[Kabuo]

You mean all those people who made fun of my triceps IQ were idiots?

[alexonfyre]

You mean all those people who made fun of my triceps IQ were idiots?

I told you they was just jelly. You gonna be @ spray tan today w/ Vinny Boombox?

[AreJay711]

I think lg can be a challenge for some people. I had to really work hard on them when the rest of the sections were easy. They are learnable though. I went from about -15 (yes, -15) to an average of -3 or 4 with the lg bible and practice. I fucked up on the real LSAT but still did better than I was doing before. Once you learn the technique, it matters less but IMO time can still be an issue since you might not see whats going on just by looking at it.

[ams]

OP, how much time have you spent working on logic games thus far? They can be difficult but are very learnable. I can all but guarantee you that once you do all the games two or three times you will be able to go -1 or -0 in under 35 minutes. Keep plugging away and you will get there.

[Nulli Secundus]

First of all, in my opinion, classifications of IQ is just a form of justification for dumb people (BUT MY EMOTIONAL IQ IS SOOO HIGHHH!!!1). Secondly, only your diagnostic may have a low chance of correlating with your actual IQ, other than that the only thing it correlates with is the time spent drilling the question types. HTH.

Might correlate with the ceiling too, but lol @ emotional IQ.

pretty sure it's EQ, not emotional IQ, because it doesn't measure intelligence, thus couldn't possibly be a justification for a low IQ, because it's a determining something entirely different. It'd be the same thing to make fun of someone's benchpress as a justification for their low IQ

QF_High_EQ

[privatemf]

Today is the first time that I got all of the question on a Logic Game. OMG! I could post on this board because only guys would understand.

[Kabuo]

Today is the first time that I got all of the question on a Logic Game. OMG! I could post on this board because only guys would understand.

Yeah, girls never ace the games because they only have high EQs.

[OnlyLivingBoyinNY]

I think lg can be a challenge for some people. I had to really work hard on them when the rest of the sections were easy. They are learnable though. I went from about -15 (yes, -15) to an average of -3 or 4 with the lg bible and practice.

This is currently my situation. I went from about -15 to -0/-2 and now I am usually at around -3 to -5. I attribute this to a "slacking off" on LG for a couple of weeks while I focused on LR and RC. Now, having hopefully learned from that mistake, I know that LG has to be part of my regimen every single day.