average time per game Forum

[hutchesonian]

To those who have mastered LG: how long is your average time for easy, average, and hard games?

[Nonok]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

[oliverdarcy]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

lol at the "stained glass" tier -- that game was very annoying.

[Punisha20]

During PTs Easy ones were about 5 minutes, 6-7 for medium difficulty, hard ones were about 8 minutes. I was always done with atleast 5 minutes to spare. With at most -2 on the section.

However, in October I didn't finish the whole thing, and on the lsat one I worked up till about a minute left. Mostly because I didnt have much room on that one game to write and had to fix one of my inferences on another game. Not to mention they were pretty difficult games to begin with too.

[tourdeforcex]

if mastery refers to an average of less than 2 wrong per 4 games, then:

easy: 4 min
average: 7 min
hard: 10-12 min

[hutchesonian]

Thanks for your replies, everyone!

When you get up to that speed, do you find yourselves drawing out full diagrams and rule implications (as per PowerScore LGB, for instance), or do you tend to sketch the bare minimum and start tackling the questions? Was there a shift in the way you approached the games after a significant amount of practice? I've read on some other threads that structure/inferences become much faster and easier, but are you still writing all of them down, or just doing most of them in your heads? How about for local vs global questions?

I'm currently at ~7-9min per game; just took SuperPrep A with an added 5th section, diagrammed a lot less/spent less time looking at the rules than when practicing individual games (which in retrospect probably slowed me down), and pretty much threw out all strategy when I got to the last game and started doing hypos (running out of time/not enough familiarity with game type). Besides not panicking at the end, is there anything I should change for full tests as I continue practicing (I'm currently going through all the games by type in the Next 10 book for the second time)? For instance, should I force myself to diagram out everything until I've actually reached the next stage (intuitive inferences/understanding of game structure and such)?

Also, do you have any advice for approaching the last game if there's not enough time to finish it? Or time management strategy in general for if you get hit by a stained glass windows or mauve dinosaurs level game?

[2011Law]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

I think conferences was harder, but stained glass was bad too. So far, however, nothing has destroyed me like mauve dinosaurs, that one ate my soul (19:30 and I skipped one).

[kkklick]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

I think conferences was harder, but stained glass was bad too. So far, however, nothing has destroyed me like mauve dinosaurs, that one ate my soul (19:30 and I skipped one).

How tough is that to get PT 57 and 62 the hardest games section, bad break.

[Punisha20]

Thanks for your replies, everyone!

When you get up to that speed, do you find yourselves drawing out full diagrams and rule implications (as per PowerScore LGB, for instance), or do you tend to sketch the bare minimum and start tackling the questions? Was there a shift in the way you approached the games after a significant amount of practice? I've read on some other threads that structure/inferences become much faster and easier, but are you still writing all of them down, or just doing most of them in your heads? How about for local vs global questions?

I'm currently at ~7-9min per game; just took SuperPrep A with an added 5th section, diagrammed a lot less/spent less time looking at the rules than when practicing individual games (which in retrospect probably slowed me down), and pretty much threw out all strategy when I got to the last game and started doing hypos (running out of time/not enough familiarity with game type). Besides not panicking at the end, is there anything I should change for full tests as I continue practicing (I'm currently going through all the games by type in the Next 10 book for the second time)? For instance, should I force myself to diagram out everything until I've actually reached the next stage (intuitive inferences/understanding of game structure and such)?

Also, do you have any advice for approaching the last game if there's not enough time to finish it? Or time management strategy in general for if you get hit by a stained glass windows or mauve dinosaurs level game?

I was so ridiculously bad on my diagnostic on Games, I think I was -14. But I took the powerscore virtual program, and in the HW and supplemental books I did every single game, most games I did 2 or 3 times. Everything seems to fall into place, and you see the patterns that the test makers use and things become very predictable.

I always sketch out as much information I can get including inferences, contrapositive, all that stuff. The more you figure out before the questions the quicker you will solve the questions, especially globally. Its extremely helpful when you know where certain elements have to go or cannot go, its much easier to eliminate incorrect answers and falling onto the correct answer that way for most questions. I definitely suggest writing everything out, its a very good habit.

The strategy I use with approaching the last game is to do it 3rd. The order I do games is 1,2,4,3rd, reason being that many times the 3rd game is harder/time consuming and the 4th game is sometimes very simple. Which is not always the case, Oct. 2010 the first game owned me, I couldn't figure it out for the life of me. In case of something like this happening, I look at my watch and I don't dedicate more than 8:45 to it and just move on. If I have a few minutes left to go at the end I will come back and try to figure it out.

[enigma09]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

Stained glass was hard, but not that hard. There was one deduction alone that answered at least 2 of the 6 (I think) questions.

[Nonok]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

Stained glass was hard, but not that hard. There was one deduction alone that answered at least 2 of the 6 (I think) questions.

It really took me 18 minutes. I misunderstood the second question on the game and it took me forever to notice my mistake.

[kkklick]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

Stained glass was hard, but not that hard. There was one deduction alone that answered at least 2 of the 6 (I think) questions.

Actually 3/7 could be answered that way.

[kkklick]

Easy Tier 5 min.
Average Tier 6 min.
Hard Tier 7-9 min.
Stained Glass Tier 18 min.

lol nice.

[youknowryan]

if mastery refers to an average of less than 2 wrong per 4 games, then:

easy: 4 min
average: 7 min
hard: 10-12 min

+1. Section average is about 32 minutes.

[Flips88]

In the 26 sections of LG i did before December (retake), I mostly missed 0. Highest I missed was -2 on 5 of the sections.

I would say an easy game (i.e. straight sequencing with only 5 variables or something) should take about 5 minutes. Average one should be 7-8 minutes. Hard 10-12 minutes.

After getting games down, I usually finished with 5 or so minutes to spare. FWIW, on December I finish as time was called. Finished the 4th came, which was very easy, and went back to the rule replace question from an earlier game. Conferences and Stained Glass ate up sooooo much time with all the possible hypos for each. On some questions, I was not entirely certain of the answers, so I could see missing more than -2, up to -5 in a worst case scenario.

TL;DR: December games sucked. Hope February and June are better for you.