PT 31 June 2000 games Forum

[JJDancer]

Just got slaughtered in this section. Anyone else think these were unusually hard/time consuming? I know the CDs one is known to be harder.

Any advice on #19-23 and doing that game in time?

[313D313]

I had a hard time with this LG section as well. (-9)

I thought the cd game and the last game were really hard/time consuming.

[Hedwig]

When I tried PT 31, I was fairly grateful to have been a 10 year old in 2000, so I didn't have to face up to that CD game on an actual test.

[JJDancer]

Thanks

Can anyone PLEASE run through the steps they took to do the second game (especially if you did it in time 8-10 mins) thanks.

[Nulli Secundus]

I dug that PT booklet out of the mess in my study room, I seem to have performed "ok" in that section. (-1)

As for the CD game, its just helluva conditionals, at least thats what I did;

CD types: UJ, NJ, UO, NO, UP, NP, UR, NR, US, NS (where U and N represent used and new)

1) UP, ~NO
2) UP and NP -> US and NS (~US or ~NS -> ~UP or ~NP)
3) UJ and NJ -> ~UR and ~NR (UR or NR -> ~UJ or ~NJ) -> If any type of rap is on sale, at most one type of jazz can be on sale.
4) ~UJ and ~NJ -> NP (~NP -> UJ or NJ)
5) UR or NR -> ~US and ~NS (US or NS -> ~UR and ~NR) -> If any type of soul is on sale, no rap is)

Inferences:

1+ contrapositive of 2 = If either type of soul is NOT on sale, new pop is not on sale. (Since used pop always is)
Eliminating UP from that allows us to combine it with contrapositive of 4: If either type of soul is not on sale, at least one type of jazz is)
1+4 = If no types of jazz is on sale, both types of pop is.
That + 2 = If no types of jazz is on sale, both types of soul is.
5 + contrapositive of 2= If either type of rap is on sale, new pop is not.

Q7 - A) Violation of R3 - UJ + NJ + NR
B) Violation of R5 - UR + NS
C) Violation of R4 - No J and No NP
D) Violation of R2 -> UP + NP but no US
E) Correct Answer

Q8 - ~NS (Inference 1 - If either type of soul is not on sale, NP is not on sale)
E) Credited answer.

Q9 - UJ, NJ (max other N?) -> Since it is asking the minimum number, we check whether there is a rule forcing us to place any particular new CD when both Js are on sale, there is no such rule; hence,

A) Credited answer.

Q10 - A) No rules regarding UO, as for UR+NR, if either type of soul or both types of jazz are in they are out, thus this option is possible.
B) ~NJ + ~UJ requires NP and thus US and NS, but again, no rules regarding UO. So, possible.
C) No rules regarding UO, and if any type of rap is in, both souls are out; thus, possible.
D) Credited answer. If both types of jazz are out, NP is in, since UP is already in, both types of souls are in.

Q11 - A) Credited answer. No rules regarding UO.

Q12 - A) Credited answer. Since stem tells us NJ is not on sale, if UJ is also out, NP has to be in.

Q13 - Let's see: UJ has to be in, otherwise NP would need to be in. UP is already in. UR and US cannot be in together (Rule 5). Thus, UO has to be in.

C) Credited answer, the combination would be, UJ, UO, UP, US

My only wrong answer for this section was Q9. I did not read the word "minimum" so chose "C", the maximum number of CDs. Sigh.

[JJDancer]

My only wrong answer for this section was Q9. I did not read the word "minimum" so chose "C", the maximum number of CDs. Sigh.

Thanks for taking the time to write it all out.
I also put C for that one...probably did the same minimum/maximum switch in my head.

[OnlyLivingBoyinNY]

Just got slaughtered in this section. Anyone else think these were unusually hard/time consuming? I know the CDs one is known to be harder.

Any advice on #19-23 and doing that game in time?

I just took this PT, and the LG section really kicked my butt. Miraculously, I only got -5, despite feeling really uncertain about the CD game and not even having time to figure out game four. Both LR sections, particularly the second, were also really difficult for me.

I have just begun going through PTs 30-60, and I have noticed that they really have a much different feel than earlier PTs (7-15). I thought PT30 was hard, but the curve was generous (got a 169!). PT31 was much more difficult, and the curve was less generous (164 :/). I know this may be impossible to answer objectively, but have you found that the rest of the PTs (Oct 2000 through present) are similar to PT31 in difficulty and curve?

[JJDancer]

Just got slaughtered in this section. Anyone else think these were unusually hard/time consuming? I know the CDs one is known to be harder.

Any advice on #19-23 and doing that game in time?

I just took this PT, and the LG section really kicked my butt. Miraculously, I only got -5, despite feeling really uncertain about the CD game and not even having time to figure out game four. Both LR sections, particularly the second, were also really difficult for me.

I have just begun going through PTs 30-60, and I have noticed that they really have a much different feel than earlier PTs (7-15). I thought PT30 was hard, but the curve was generous (got a 169!). PT31 was much more difficult, and the curve was less generous (164 :/). I know this may be impossible to answer objectively, but have you found that the rest of the PTs (Oct 2000 through present) are similar to PT31 in difficulty and curve?

PT 50+ are noticeably different than those in the 30s and 40s but I couldn't say which are harder. I would say LR is trickier and games are a bit easier but somehow more time consuming. RC is a toss up.

[youarereadingthis]

I believe timed PT 50+ are more indicative of your current progress if that's what you're trying to assess. Practice all PTs, but focus on the raw scores, especially for ealier exams. They seem to be easier for most modern LSAT test takers and can make you believe you are progessing faster than you really are.

Of course, never dismiss any PT. They are all useful. Use and review... and re-use every one of them if you have the time.