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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
There is no way you can get some of the more recent exams? I've always heard the RC and LG on those were much harder in comparison to the older ones.
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
2 words: Russian Art
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Excellent. I've done Used/New CDs, you have to comb that sucker to figure it out. I'm going to try the rest of these 3 times each, haha.LSAT Blog wrote:Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Do links exist? Or is everything copyright?LSAT Blog wrote:There is no way you can get some of the more recent exams?
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
These are not mutually exclusive, if you get my drift.baby diego wrote:Do links exist? Or is everything copyright?
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Unnumbered June 2007 LSAT: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/SamplePTJune.pdf

In my opinion, you should take this as a full-length timed exam close to test day.
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Really? I didn't think this one was too bad. Not super easy maybe, but not one of the most difficult ones. That is, if you're talking about the French / Russian plays/novels game? Perhaps you're talking about something else, a RC passage maybe?GordonBombay wrote:2 words: Russian Art
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Great list, got any more on it?LSAT Blog wrote:Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784
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I took the LSAT almost a year ago and I still remember all of these. They are not happy memories. Used/New CD's was soooo freaking time consuming.LSAT Blog wrote:Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784
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AbsolutelyKnockglock wrote:Great list, got any more on it?LSAT Blog wrote:Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784

PT23, Game 2 (Interviewed/Hired)
PT25, Game 2 (Tourists and Guides)
PT37, Game 3 (Bookshelves)
PT40, Game 3 (Zephyr Airlines)
PT57, Game 3 (Dinosaurs)
(Edited to include a tougher game.)
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I'll admit that CDs, jewelry, and window/aisle were tough, but I can answer the majority their questions when timed, and all of them when not timed. Those damn doctors at Randsborough and Souderton, though, have got me spinning. I think it's an In/Out scenario, but for the life of me I cannot synthesize the rules into a useful set of deductions. And even when I am left to simply plug things in (which I try to avoid) I'm still stumped.LSAT Blog wrote:PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
I know everyone should have their weaknesses with certain kinds of games, any tips on tackling this one?
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I just found it online and did it, but it did take me 8 minutes, which is way too long. It wasn't all that "hard" for me, as in I knew what to do with it, but it was really time consuming, particularly the first question, which required me to draw a diagram for each answer! Bah. #3 also required multiple diagrams. The rest I just had to re-diagram for each question and they were actually fairly easy.baby diego wrote:I'll admit that CDs, jewelry, and window/aisle were tough, but I can answer the majority their questions when timed, and all of them when not timed. Those damn doctors at Randsborough and Souderton, though, have got me spinning. I think it's an In/Out scenario, but for the life of me I cannot synthesize the rules into a useful set of deductions. And even when I am left to simply plug things in (which I try to avoid) I'm still stumped.LSAT Blog wrote:PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
I know everyone should have their weaknesses with certain kinds of games, any tips on tackling this one?
#2, #4, and #5 just require that you follow the conditions. However, at first, they may be a little head-scratchy because if you just follow the STATED condition, you're left with, "What next?" but you have to look at what the eliminated condition is (i.e. #5: the condition of one doctor being at one practice tells you nothing until you apply what he/she NOT being at the other practice means). I just took them as far as I could, then put the diagram with the answers and went YES or NO.
#1 was annoying as all get out! I had to draw a list of S and R for each. It was really clear to answer once I did that, but... oh, the time! I can't see any better way to do it, though. Really, it only took 2 minutes to draw them all out, way too long for the question (since it took at least another minute to answer), but do-able.
#3 was also annoying, because it required me drawing out the scenarios. I felt like I did this one faster (didn't clock it like #1) than #1 though because I realized faster I'd just have to draw them all. I could tell just by reading it was either going to be 1, 2, or 0. Then it was just POE, using each set of conditions. I can't see any better way to do it, and I didn't feel 100% about it until checking the answer, but I was right.
I don't know how you get better at #3, as I never feel certain about questions like those, even when I'm right. But the other questions are really do-able. You just have to use the "not" conditions, which feels weird. Does that help any?
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
Hey, I appreciate this. It does help somewhat, I'm still not clear on which deductions beyond the conditions you were able to make. I ended up taking conditions 1 and 2 and diagraming the four possible combinations of J, K, and O (and thus certain others) that they produce. This was very time-consuming, but it was the only way I was able to prevent myself from having to manually plug things in for each question. Still, it ate a lot of time.halfwaygone wrote:I just found it online and did it, but it did take me 8 minutes, which is way too long. It wasn't all that "hard" for me, as in I knew what to do with it, but it was really time consuming, particularly the first question, which required me to draw a diagram for each answer! Bah. #3 also required multiple diagrams. The rest I just had to re-diagram for each question and they were actually fairly easy.
#2, #4, and #5 just require that you follow the conditions. However, at first, they may be a little head-scratchy because if you just follow the STATED condition, you're left with, "What next?" but you have to look at what the eliminated condition is (i.e. #5: the condition of one doctor being at one practice tells you nothing until you apply what he/she NOT being at the other practice means). I just took them as far as I could, then put the diagram with the answers and went YES or NO.
#1 was annoying as all get out! I had to draw a list of S and R for each. It was really clear to answer once I did that, but... oh, the time! I can't see any better way to do it, though. Really, it only took 2 minutes to draw them all out, way too long for the question (since it took at least another minute to answer), but do-able.
#3 was also annoying, because it required me drawing out the scenarios. I felt like I did this one faster (didn't clock it like #1) than #1 though because I realized faster I'd just have to draw them all. I could tell just by reading it was either going to be 1, 2, or 0. Then it was just POE, using each set of conditions. I can't see any better way to do it, and I didn't feel 100% about it until checking the answer, but I was right.
I don't know how you get better at #3, as I never feel certain about questions like those, even when I'm right. But the other questions are really do-able. You just have to use the "not" conditions, which feels weird. Does that help any?
Unnerving game, hope I don't see anything like this in June!
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I'm looking at the Randsborough/Souderton game. Aren't 2 of the conditions contradictory? Having to do with N, O and P? What am I not understanding?
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Yes, they are contradictory. This means N and P cannot be at R simultaneously. Since L at S causes N and P to be at R simultaneously, L at S can never happen.
The good news is that there's never been a game quite like this one.
I'd recommend combining the conditional statements and their contrapositives to form long conditional chains. (The negation of R is S, and vice-versa, since every doctor goes to exactly one of the two clinics.) This approach makes the fact that L cannot be at S a bit easier to spot.
The good news is that there's never been a game quite like this one.
I'd recommend combining the conditional statements and their contrapositives to form long conditional chains. (The negation of R is S, and vice-versa, since every doctor goes to exactly one of the two clinics.) This approach makes the fact that L cannot be at S a bit easier to spot.
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
Thanks. I spotted this right away, but thought it was an error.LSAT Blog wrote:Yes, they are contradictory. This means N and P cannot be at R simultaneously. Since L at S causes N and P to be at R simultaneously, L at S can never happen.
The good news is that there's never been a game quite like this one.
I'd recommend combining the conditional statements and their contrapositives to form long conditional chains. (The negation of R is S, and vice-versa, since every doctor goes to exactly one of the two clinics.) This approach makes the fact that L cannot be at S a bit easier to spot.
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
Glad to help.
LSAC has never withdrawn an LG question from scoring.
Btw, instead of saying contradictory, it's probably better to phrase it as something like:
"N at R" and "P at R" are mutually exclusive.
LSAC has never withdrawn an LG question from scoring.
Btw, instead of saying contradictory, it's probably better to phrase it as something like:
"N at R" and "P at R" are mutually exclusive.
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Is this true? How about something similar?LSAT Blog wrote:The good news is that there's never been a game quite like this one.
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For the doctors at S/R game:
Write out every rule and its contrapositive in "2-value" format, as LGB calls it.
That is, don't write something that signifies "not K at R" but rather "K at S" (I did this with subscripts).
Connect up all the rules and contrapositives into two long causal chains.
Once all that is done, the questions are manageable, although it's still one of the hardest games I've ever done.
Write out every rule and its contrapositive in "2-value" format, as LGB calls it.
That is, don't write something that signifies "not K at R" but rather "K at S" (I did this with subscripts).
Connect up all the rules and contrapositives into two long causal chains.
Once all that is done, the questions are manageable, although it's still one of the hardest games I've ever done.
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p.s. I happened to do three of the five games originally listed by LSAT Blog all in the same afternoon. I didn't finish any of them on time, and came away feeling extremely frustrated and discouraged. Then by chance I popped onto TLS and found this thread, and felt a bit better. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who struggled with these games.
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Please try not to be frustrated or discouraged by these games. After all, they are some of the hardest ones.FutureApplicant wrote:p.s. I happened to do three of the five games originally listed by LSAT Blog all in the same afternoon. I didn't finish any of them on time, and came away feeling extremely frustrated and discouraged. Then by chance I popped onto TLS and found this thread, and felt a bit better. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who struggled with these games.
The real value in doing them is NOT to gauge your ability - it's to learn from them.
Even if you have trouble with them the first time, you can still do fine with LG on Test Day. Think of these games as more stuff to add to your library of LG knowledge.
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I'd like to throw another game into the hat.
PT 55 game 4, "buses"
I only hope that on test day, LSAC doesn't decide to drop a ridiculous game like one of these on us.
PT 55 game 4, "buses"
Thank you so much, it is posts like this that really demonstrate the value of these forums and save it from threadcrappers and flamers.LSAT Blog wrote: Please try not to be frustrated or discouraged by these games. After all, they are some of the hardest ones.
The real value in doing them is NOT to gauge your ability - it's to learn from them.
Even if you have trouble with them the first time, you can still do fine with LG on Test Day. Think of these games as more stuff to add to your library of LG knowledge.
I only hope that on test day, LSAC doesn't decide to drop a ridiculous game like one of these on us.
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Just took this game yesterday. After the first 3 games, I had 15 minutes left. So I wasn't exactly rushing through the bus game. But by the time I finished, I had about 2/3 minutes left.theZeigs wrote:I'd like to throw another game into the hat.
PT 55 game 4, "buses"
Thank you so much, it is posts like this that really demonstrate the value of these forums and save it from threadcrappers and flamers.LSAT Blog wrote: Please try not to be frustrated or discouraged by these games. After all, they are some of the hardest ones.
The real value in doing them is NOT to gauge your ability - it's to learn from them.
Even if you have trouble with them the first time, you can still do fine with LG on Test Day. Think of these games as more stuff to add to your library of LG knowledge.
I only hope that on test day, LSAC doesn't decide to drop a ridiculous game like one of these on us.
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Re: Hardest Game/Hardest RC Passage??
I FUCKING HATE THE INTERVIEWED HIRED GAME!!LSAT Blog wrote:AbsolutelyKnockglock wrote:Great list, got any more on it?LSAT Blog wrote:Some hard games:
PT27, Game 2 (Lizards/Snakes)
PT31, Game 2 (Used/New CDs)
PT33, Game 3 (Jewelry - Rubies, Sapphires, Topazes)
PT34, Game 4 (Randsborough/Souderton Clinics)
PT36, Game 3 (Window/Aisle Bus Game)
Some hard passages:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =6&t=79784![]()
PT23, Game 2 (Interviewed/Hired)
PT25, Game 2 (Tourists and Guides)
PT37, Game 3 (Bookshelves)
PT40, Game 3 (Zephyr Airlines)
PT57, Game 3 (Dinosaurs)
(Edited to include a tougher game.)
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