real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

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[Greenteachurro]

PT10. RC: -0.
PT11. RC: -1.

Well, these were a joke. I am not sure how valuable it is to do the earliest RC passages. I have a feeling they are not going to help me with lacquer. Any opinions?

They're valuable for practice definitely, obviously not as valuable as the newer ones but definitely better than trying to read the economist or whatever some people suggest doing. wouldn't depend on them but they can help build good habits, i burnt through 29-38's RCs trying to build the habits that I use .

You are right. I read a lot of newspapers and, while I am sure it's helped, reading more of The Economist is not going to make much of a difference in a month.

But I have to say, it's not that the earlier passages were significantly easier in content, it's that the questions were more straightforward.

Oh yeah, I feel like the newer ones are easier in content (except for the anthro or art passages which are super freaking hard for whatever reason), but the older ones I actually thought were way more boring.

[harveybirdman502]

But I have to say, it's not that the earlier passages were significantly easier in content, it's that the questions were more straightforward.

I've noticed this as well, but I think the more complicated passages including dates and scientific terms are just as relevant. It's weird how the subject matter gets to be so predictable after a while. It's usually art (film, music, painting, etc.), history, a scientific study or concept, and then something more unpredictable.

The more of these questions I complete, the better I feel I'm getting, unlike LR in many instances. Reading on the side certainly hasn't hurt though. Definitely helped my focus and speed.

[Vino.Veritas]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.

I struggle with these too. I would love a more concrete method other than simply conceptualizing how the AC would effect the conclusion

[harveybirdman502]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.

I struggle with these too. I would love a more concrete method other than simply conceptualizing how the AC would effect the conclusion

I feel like right answers here generally address unstated assumptions or weaknesses. Take the weakness in the argument and consider some other factor that you would need to know in order to determine whether the conclusion is or isn't correct.

IE. The wood on the bridge was old and warped, so that is why it collapsed.

What other factors would we need to consider if that were to be correct or not? Was there an ice storm or a tornado that could've caused it? Any line of attack that would address the weakness or assumption.

[Greenteachurro]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR?
Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.

I struggle with these too. I would love a more concrete method other than simply conceptualizing how the AC would effect the conclusion

I think a good way to figure this out, is it's like a kind of like a strengthen/weaken Q but in a question format. Like you want you want your AC to be a question that would elicit a response that would either strengthen or weaken the information in the stimulus.

So for example say I have a stim that says "Black trucks stop at stop signs more often than any other car type. Therefore, we can conclude that having a black car makes one more likely to stop at a stop sign"

You would want to pick an AC that would elicit an answer that would either strengthen or weaken the relationship between owning a black car and the likelihood of that driver stopping at stop sign.

like maybe something like " Do safe drivers happen to buy black cars more than any other car?"

[Mikey]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

[alpha kenny body]

Still only doing timed LG and RC sections. I'm so over this test. In November, I'll do 2 timed PTs/week, and continue the sections.

[a_j_l]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Do you have the Cambridge packets or do you have a list of LR questions (and other types) broken down by difficulty? I made my own packets for question type and would love to do the same with type and difficulty, but am having trouble finding a decent list!

[Mikey]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Do you have the Cambridge packets or do you have a list of LR questions (and other types) broken down by difficulty? I made my own packets for question type and would love to do the same with type and difficulty, but am having trouble finding a decent list!

I have one of the Cambridge packets but this is useful as well https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all

[Rupert Pupkin]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Thats a good idea. Never did that, but im sure it works. Makes total sense

[a_j_l]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Do you have the Cambridge packets or do you have a list of LR questions (and other types) broken down by difficulty? I made my own packets for question type and would love to do the same with type and difficulty, but am having trouble finding a decent list!

I have one of the Cambridge packets but this is useful as well https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all

Thank youuu! Also super jealous of your Cambridge packets...

[Mikey]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Do you have the Cambridge packets or do you have a list of LR questions (and other types) broken down by difficulty? I made my own packets for question type and would love to do the same with type and difficulty, but am having trouble finding a decent list!

I have one of the Cambridge packets but this is useful as well https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all

Thank youuu! Also super jealous of your Cambridge packets...

Yep, i was very fortunate to get mine literally like a month before they stopped selling them lol

[Mikey]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Thats a good idea. Never did that, but im sure it works. Makes total sense

[Greenteachurro]

I've decided that for LR, i'm going to do a bulk of harder questions only for a while. These seem to be my biggest problem with points lost on LR sections. I already have a set ready to go with only hard questions. This is something I really wanted to do for my last 2 takes but never got around to doing it, and i think for anyone it would be helpful, honestly. Blueprint Mithun mentioned this type of drilling as having only harder questions as a "super section", and it has your brain in a constant focus that you do for the harder questions as opposed to being able to just zoom through the easier questions. He said doing these hard only sections will help make the normal sections feel like cake, which is what I'm hoping for!

Do you have the Cambridge packets or do you have a list of LR questions (and other types) broken down by difficulty? I made my own packets for question type and would love to do the same with type and difficulty, but am having trouble finding a decent list!

I have one of the Cambridge packets but this is useful as well https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all

Thank youuu! Also super jealous of your Cambridge packets...

Yep, i was very fortunate to get mine literally like a month before they stopped selling them lol

Ugh I'm stuck using just the PT packets sold by LSAC in order to do questions by type, I'm jealous.

[MindBodyAbs]

Ugh I'm stuck using just the PT packets sold by LSAC in order to do questions by type, I'm jealous.

don't know if you already know this, but manhattan sells a book called "10 Real LSATs Grouped by Question Type" which groups PTs 41-50 by Q type. i found it to be very helpful. it's not too expensive on amazon.

Edited: it's 41-50 not 42-51

[Capt_Beatty]

Hello people. I'm a December taker and I need advice.

I scored a 164 in September after 8 months of studying, well work + gym + hoceky + studying. I feel confident in improving RC + LG ( I went -6 in RC and -5 in LG ). My question is LR. I've done many PT's, did the Powerscore question type training supervolume (didn't help one bit).

As we all know there are 2 scored LR sections, one tends to be easier and the later one appears to be more difficult..Is that because I'm tired and don't have endurance, or is one section just tougher? I typically go -3 on the first one and -4/-5 on the next one. How can I get better? Feels like no matter what I do, I just can't get LR down pat...

thanks.

[Greenteachurro]

Ugh I'm stuck using just the PT packets sold by LSAC in order to do questions by type, I'm jealous.

don't know if you already know this, but manhattan sells a book called "10 Real LSATs Grouped by Question Type" which groups PTs 42-51 by Q type. i found it to be very helpful. it's not too expensive on amazon.

I did not know that, thats good to know I'll look into it

[Greenteachurro]

Hello people. I'm a December taker and I need advice.

I scored a 164 in September after 8 months of studying, well work + gym + hoceky + studying. I feel confident in improving RC + LG ( I went -6 in RC and -5 in LG ). My question is LR. I've done many PT's, did the Powerscore question type training supervolume (didn't help one bit).

As we all know there are 2 scored LR sections, one tends to be easier and the later one appears to be more difficult..Is that because I'm tired and don't have endurance, or is one section just tougher? I typically go -3 on the first one and -4/-5 on the next one. How can I get better? Feels like no matter what I do, I just can't get LR down pat...

thanks.

Do you blind review?

[connordalto]

Hi guys, so I am still having some trouble with lr. Seems to be the last piece of the LSAT puzzle for me, and I need to get it more consistent by December. Sometimes I have great timed lr sections (-2/3) and sometimes I have terrible ones (-7/8).

So I have been spending the whole last two weeks doing lr practice to try and get my accuracy up but it is still hovering around 80-90% untimed, missing mostly argument family questions. Flaw questions I do especially poorly on.

I have been focusing on getting my prephrases down, eliminating 4 wrong ACs, and implementing question specific systems for dealing with similar ACs (negation test, etc). I have also been doing blind review of the untimed questions, trying to prove wrong my answers after I come back to them.

Most of my missess are due to either misreading the language of answer choices, or missing some key aspect of the arg which makes a certain answer right or wrong. Most of my misses are what PS calls type 4 Questions (hardest difficult category), but occasionally ill make a dumb mistake too. But I still cant seem to get it down past 80-90%! super frustrating.

As a result, I am going to spend the next couple of days writing out explanations for and categorizing as many Flaw questions as I can, as I am hoping this will help with overall raising my accuracy for argument family questions and generally getting arguments down better. Hoping this will improve my accuracy so I can have at least 3 weeks before December to get timing down well.

Any suggestions or critiques on my methods? I have been using LSAT trainer and PS bibles, and just got the Manhattan question type book. Would love any help as to improve and break past this! Thanks. Sorry for the long post.

[Capt_Beatty]

Hello people. I'm a December taker and I need advice.

I scored a 164 in September after 8 months of studying, well work + gym + hoceky + studying. I feel confident in improving RC + LG ( I went -6 in RC and -5 in LG ). My question is LR. I've done many PT's, did the Powerscore question type training supervolume (didn't help one bit).

As we all know there are 2 scored LR sections, one tends to be easier and the later one appears to be more difficult..Is that because I'm tired and don't have endurance, or is one section just tougher? I typically go -3 on the first one and -4/-5 on the next one. How can I get better? Feels like no matter what I do, I just can't get LR down pat...

thanks.

Do you blind review?

yes, but not as stringently as I should. Perhaps, perhaps that's it.

[Greenteachurro]

Hello people. I'm a December taker and I need advice.

I scored a 164 in September after 8 months of studying, well work + gym + hoceky + studying. I feel confident in improving RC + LG ( I went -6 in RC and -5 in LG ). My question is LR. I've done many PT's, did the Powerscore question type training supervolume (didn't help one bit).

As we all know there are 2 scored LR sections, one tends to be easier and the later one appears to be more difficult..Is that because I'm tired and don't have endurance, or is one section just tougher? I typically go -3 on the first one and -4/-5 on the next one. How can I get better? Feels like no matter what I do, I just can't get LR down pat...

thanks.

Do you blind review?

yes, but not as stringently as I should. Perhaps, perhaps that's it.

What I've been personally doing between Pt's is drilling q types and then if I get a question wrong I go back and I write out a sentence or two for why each AC is wrong and then write out why the correct answer is right in a few sentences. That's really helped me, in my own way, understand my mistakes and if my mistake isn't immediately obvious I sometimes have to spend like 5 or ten minutes just thinking about the logic of the question. At first this type of analysis took awhile, but now when I get a question wrong I can almost immediately understand why I got it wrong.

Also sometimes when you're just starting to drill a specific question type, I like to before I answer a question think about:
1.) What stimulus's main point is
2.) and what the error is in the logic of the stimulus ( like 95% of the time the LR question has an error in reasoning in the stim)

and then attack the question.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Hello people. I'm a December taker and I need advice.

I scored a 164 in September after 8 months of studying, well work + gym + hoceky + studying. I feel confident in improving RC + LG ( I went -6 in RC and -5 in LG ). My question is LR. I've done many PT's, did the Powerscore question type training supervolume (didn't help one bit).

As we all know there are 2 scored LR sections, one tends to be easier and the later one appears to be more difficult..Is that because I'm tired and don't have endurance, or is one section just tougher? I typically go -3 on the first one and -4/-5 on the next one. How can I get better? Feels like no matter what I do, I just can't get LR down pat...

thanks.

Do you blind review?

yes, but not as stringently as I should. Perhaps, perhaps that's it.

Also, are you missing a specific Q-type over and over again or is it pretty random?

[cherrygalore]

Hi.. I'm not sure if this is the right thread for me to post this question so I apologize if not, but I'm going to ask anyway.

So I cancelled my September LSAT because I was so sick and knew it would not be representative of what I can do. I have been practicing at 177-180 (haven't done lower than 176 since August). But my question is about Yale: my GPA is way lower than their 25th, it's a 3.64. I was planning on not applying because of this, but Yale just emailed on Friday saying their "search for prospective students has led" them to me and asked me to attend an online info session to find out more about the school. Should I consider applying?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Hi.. I'm not sure if this is the right thread for me to post this question so I apologize if not, but I'm going to ask anyway.

So I cancelled my September LSAT because I was so sick and knew it would not be representative of what I can do. I have been practicing at 177-180 (haven't done lower than 176 since August). But my question is about Yale: my GPA is way lower than their 25th, it's a 3.64. I was planning on not applying because of this, but Yale just emailed on Friday saying their "search for prospective students has led" them to me and asked me to attend an online info session to find out more about the school. Should I consider applying?

Absolutely apply! Their lowest LSAT was like a 160 and GPA was a 3.4. Granted that is extremely rare, who knows, you could be that lucky case