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gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:23 am

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JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:51 am

gamerish wrote:Going -0 on a game and having JY tell me I did it within the recommended time frame is the best feeling in the world.

good job! see, games aren't all bad

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:39 am

JackelJ wrote:
gamerish wrote:Going -0 on a game and having JY tell me I did it within the recommended time frame is the best feeling in the world.
good job! see, games aren't all bad

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:57 am

gamerish wrote:Going -0 on a game and having JY tell me I did it within the recommended time frame is the best feeling in the world.

I've concluded I'm strange w/ games. Some games JY says are super easy and should be done in 5mins, and I take 8mins and find it kind of tough. Then yesterday, for example, I was correcting a section and he said it's a tougher game and it'd be good to get done in 10mins, and I found it the easiest game, getting it done in under 4mins.

I'm generally opposite end of the spectrum on time to whatever JY says. So yeah, I feel great when I beat his recommended time, and pretty awful otherwise.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:04 pm

msp8 wrote:
gamerish wrote:Going -0 on a game and having JY tell me I did it within the recommended time frame is the best feeling in the world.
I've concluded I'm strange w/ games. Some games JY says are super easy and should be done in 5mins, and I take 8mins and find it kind of tough. Then yesterday, for example, I was correcting a section and he said it's a tougher game and it'd be good to get done in 10mins, and I found it the easiest game, getting it done in under 4mins.

I'm generally opposite end of the spectrum on time to whatever JY says. So yeah, I feel great when I beat his recommended time, and pretty awful otherwise.

I think people just vary. You'll also notice that sometimes JY struggles with a game that the statistics below the video say is only medium difficulty.

LG ability is probably a combination of skills, and sometimes you'll get a game that is all about a certain skill that you're weak in or really strong in.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:27 pm

Idk why I thought I had PT30, I guess I forgot the Cambridge bundle started at PT39. So, I'm taking PT39 Friday morning to assess the damage of me slacking for the last 2 weeks. I will embarrassingly post my results after BR and you should all backseat ban me if I'm lazy again and don't take it

I probably have seen some or most of the questions since they were probably used in my BP material but no point in wasting a fresh PT now

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:31 pm

JackelJ wrote:you should all backseat ban me if I'm lazy again and don't take it

I do think this can be an effective motivation technique.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:00 pm

JackelJ wrote:Idk why I thought I had PT30, I guess I forgot the Cambridge bundle started at PT39. So, I'm taking PT39 Friday morning to assess the damage of me slacking for the last 2 weeks. I will embarrassingly post my results after BR and you should all backseat ban me if I'm lazy again and don't take it

I probably have seen some or most of the questions since they were probably used in my BP material but no point in wasting a fresh PT now

I did that PT a week or so ago. I didn't do well at all. Really set me back. Hope you do better!

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:25 pm

The Abyss wrote:
JackelJ wrote:
The Abyss wrote:
JazzyMac wrote:Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.
75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.
While I disagree with Jazzy's logic, I do not think that 75 minutes a day is too much if you are using different muscle groups or mixing up your exercises and your body feels fine. But, everyone's body is different and if you find yourself really tired while studying or something maybe adjust accordingly. And yea both of the races are halfs. There are full marathons over the summer but I opted against that because I need my Saturday mornings for PTing and not 20 mile runs.
It's not that I tire from working out and therefore can't study, it's that I don't understand what the hell someone would be doing for 75 minutes 7 days a week unless they're an athlete. It seems awfully inefficient to me. A good workout is something like 5 sets of 5 reps of Squats, Bench Presses, and Barbell Rows (takes maybe 20 minutes), a few sets of pull ups (5 minutes), some kettlebell swings (5-10 minutes), 15-20 minutes running (usually running intervals going from 8 to 6 minute paces every other minute), and 15-20 minutes of mobility work. On the high side that's 75 minutes, but I only do something like this 3 or 4 times a week and it's a workout that works the entire body and includes some recovery exercises. Everyday seems like overkill, and working out individual muscle groups via isolation exercises does little for functional strength. However, if someone is working out just to look good, then isolation exercises are great. They just do very little for functional strength.

I can't even imagine running a marathon in the summer. Way too hot here in Atlanta for that sort of distance.

The bolded isn't really true. Can guarantee you every college sports team isolates muscle groups. Granted, you can't be doing isolation exercises exclusively, but to say they aren't effective isn't accurate. But yeah they are nice if your just working out to look good

On another note, I'm having the same issue with games. I'm slow, yeah, but 90% of the time when I get one wrong its just some dumb, dumb mistake. For me, its mostly an "all can be false EXCEPT" and I get to C, see it can be false, and triumphantly start bubbling. Gotta cut those mistakes out.

Question... In games filled with conditional statements, what does your diagram end up looking like? Powerscore's method just isn't working for me.

Oh, and lastly RZ as someone who almost went straight to LS from undergrad, gotta hop on the bandwagon and recommend some work experience. Can't overstate how valuable it is (mostly on a personal level, tbh, but still). I always say bombing the LSAT my first time was the best thing I ever did, because it made me take some time off after school for LS to be a reasonable choice.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:37 pm

I just don't know what work experience is available to someone with a useless major from a good but not great school and no connections.

Yesterday I looked into TFA, PC, etc., and they all seem much more competitive than real jobs. Several articles said those programs are now basically resume boosters for the elite.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:41 pm

RZ5646 wrote:I just don't know what work experience is available to someone with a useless major from a good but not great school and no connections.

Yesterday I looked into TFA, PC, etc., and they all seem much more competitive than real jobs. Several articles said those programs are now basically resume boosters for the elite.

Where are you located or where is home? If you're in any decent sized metro area, there should be tons of options for fresh grads with a stellar GPA. Biglaw typically hires fresh college grads as paralegals/legal assistants.
There are a ton of other entry level jobs though. It's not that hard to apply several places and see what sticks.

If you want to be a k-jd, that's fine. But the lack of alternatives excuse is super flimsy. Just apply places and see what happens. You don't have a unique dearth of prospects.
The whole having a sucky major is similarly a flimsy excuse. The majority of people aren't working in a job that requires/uses their major. Simply having a college degree and great GPA is what will matter to employers so long as you're not applying for a very skills-based job like an accountant or something.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:54 pm

RZ5646 wrote:I just don't know what work experience is available to someone with a useless major from a good but not great school and no connections.

Yesterday I looked into TFA, PC, etc., and they all seem much more competitive than real jobs. Several articles said those programs are now basically resume boosters for the elite.

I used to think this way, too. And so I didn't pursue a typical post-UG job. I'm happy with what I've done, but I've realised it's a completely wrong, borderline defeatist attitude. I now know plenty of people who had strong grades (range from strong to stellar) that have found amazing jobs. You've just got to be diligent in sending out lots of applications.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:55 pm

msp8 wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:I just don't know what work experience is available to someone with a useless major from a good but not great school and no connections.

Yesterday I looked into TFA, PC, etc., and they all seem much more competitive than real jobs. Several articles said those programs are now basically resume boosters for the elite.
I used to think this way, too. And so I didn't pursue a typical post-UG job. I'm happy with what I've done, but I've realised it's a completely wrong, borderline defeatist attitude. I now know plenty of people who had strong grades (range from strong to stellar) that have found amazing jobs. You've just got to be diligent in sending out lots of applications.

yeah prepare to send out 25+ applications, at least thats the norm at my college. unless you have connections somewhere

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:56 pm

Maybe next year I should just plan to apply to law school, dozens of jobs, and TFA and then see what the best option is? I guess that's reasonable.

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:57 pm

RZ5646 wrote:I just don't know what work experience is available to someone with a useless major from a good but not great school and no connections.

Yesterday I looked into TFA, PC, etc., and they all seem much more competitive than real jobs. Several articles said those programs are now basically resume boosters for the elite.

PC is not more competitive then a real job. They just introduced a new application system, which may make it slightly more competitive, but its not too difficult to get into. If you were interested, you should start applying by the end of the year though. TFA's process is a bit more streamlined, and more competitive as well.

However, DO NOT, please please please do not do PC/TFA just to do it an put it on your resume. Hoping into a classroom you are in a very real way effecting the development of the kids you are with. It is an enormous responsibility, not one to be taken lightly at all. For PC, you may be a teacher (where this applies), but even if you are not, your community will be investing heavily in you. Basically, I'm trying to say you gotta be passionate about what your doing in these situations or its a waste of time (not to mention you'll be miserable lol). Sorry if that came off strong, but I've seen too many people looking for a resume booster out of these types of organizations that just coast through doing as little as possible.

Also, re: job apps. I sent out over 100 senior year. Got 3 of them, ended up taking one and having a phenomenal experience thats led to a ton of other opportunities. Writing cover letters sucks (its like drilling every writing sample in LSAT history

) but in the end its worth it.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:59 pm

RZ5646 wrote:Maybe next year I should just plan to apply to law school, dozens of jobs, and TFA and then see what the best option is? I guess that's reasonable.

Totally. It's never a bad thing to have many options.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:00 pm

JackelJ wrote: yeah prepare to send out 25+ applications, at least thats the norm at my college. unless you have connections somewhere

25+ sounds low to me. Send a ton more. I know people who just tossed a ton of applications out, making that essentially a full-time job. There's a lot of opportunity out there. I suppose it depends on how flexible you are in moving/how varied your interests are.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:01 pm

RZ5646 wrote:Maybe next year I should just plan to apply to law school, dozens of jobs, and TFA and then see what the best option is? I guess that's reasonable.

Yup. Why not?

After I write LSATs (hopefully in Feb!), I'll be doing that as well. Tons of applications everywhere, see what's of interest, what offers I get, etc. If you're flexible, you can look abroad as well.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:03 pm

jetsfan1 wrote: Question... In games filled with conditional statements, what does your diagram end up looking like? Powerscore's method just isn't working for me.

Do you watch 7sage videos? I've basically adopted JY's stuff on conditional statements.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:08 pm

msp8 wrote:
jetsfan1 wrote: Question... In games filled with conditional statements, what does your diagram end up looking like? Powerscore's method just isn't working for me.
Do you watch 7sage videos? I've basically adopted JY's stuff on conditional statements.

Yes. 7sage's long conditional chains (that look like horizontal trees) are the way to go.
This is truly where 7sage excels in my book. You need to know formal logic cold though, so practice practice practice.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:10 pm

msp8 wrote:
JackelJ wrote: yeah prepare to send out 25+ applications, at least thats the norm at my college. unless you have connections somewhere
25+ sounds low to me. Send a ton more. I know people who just tossed a ton of applications out, making that essentially a full-time job. There's a lot of opportunity out there. I suppose it depends on how flexible you are in moving/how varied your interests are.

Yeah it probably is low. The majority of people at my school have 2-3 internships so its typically easier to get jobs

and RZ, I'm probably doing the same thing of applying to both law schools and full-time jobs. But the type of job I want most likely requires a PhD (or JD) and I don't really want to go the PhD route (or I'm pretty sure I don't) so I'll probably end up going to law school either k-jd or after a year or 2 of work

+1 to using 7sage. I was good at games before the videos but it helped me become much more efficient with writing the rules, especially with conditional chains

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:11 pm

JackelJ, what field are you interested in that requires a PhD or JD?

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:16 pm

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:18 pm

Interesting. How does law play into the research/engineering development side exactly?