16.9% Decrease In October Test Takers(Detailed Stats Inside) Forum

[orbbs]

This contrasted with your 'tar is brilliant.

[Cicero76]

This sounds awesome. Does it mean 170+ LSATs are worth even more even to the T3/T6 schools? Could this cycle really be crazy?

[shntn]

This sounds awesome. Does it mean 170+ LSATs are worth even more even to the T3/T6 schools? Could this cycle really be crazy?

It just means that there are fewer of them. Schools will either accept more splitters to protect their LSAT median, accept more reverse splitters to protect their GPA median, or shrink class sizes. Given that 4.0 GPAs are a dime a dozen, it seems like the 170+ LSAT scores are the rarer of the two commodities for this cycle.

[cahwc12]

Anyone have numbers on the specific breakdowns by score?

[sinfiery]

This is absolutely shocking!


I can't comprehend why this is happening.

[shntn]

Anyone have numbers on the specific breakdowns by score?

This article has a decent overview of the situation.

[thelawyler]

This is absolutely shocking!


I can't comprehend why this is happening.

Comprehend the economy much?

[sinfiery]

This is absolutely shocking!


I can't comprehend why this is happening.

Comprehend the economy much?

Gosh. Guess no one reads the thread. It's only 40 pages.

[thelawyler]

Looks like I missed the sarcasm. It's been a long day of reading lol

[mqt]

I'm really hoping this helps me with getting into T14. 171 is looking better today than yesterday.

[HarlandBassett]

When do they release the granular data of the LSAT score bands (specifically the % drop in 170-174 LSAT scores)?

[shntn]

When do they release the granular data of the LSAT score bands (specifically the % drop in 170-174 LSAT scores)?

Also curious. Isn't this data available in the schools' section of the LSAC wbesite? I tried to look at some of the raw data cited in an LSAT Blog post once and couldn't get access.

[shifty_eyed]

When do they release the granular data of the LSAT score bands (specifically the % drop in 170-174 LSAT scores)?

Also curious. Isn't this data available in the schools' section of the LSAC wbesite? I tried to look at some of the raw data cited in an LSAT Blog post once and couldn't get access.

The drop in number of 170-180s should be proportional to drop in takers overall, since the percentiles stayed the same (ie 170=97th percentile) afaik, but last cycle there was a drop in the percentage of people with high scores who actually applied to law school. I imagine we won't have that kind of data until the majority of applications are in. At least, that's what I think you guys are talking about. I could be way off base here.

[sinfiery]

The drop in number of 170-180s should be proportional to drop in takers overall, since the percentiles stayed the same (ie 170=97th percentile) afaik, but last cycle there was a drop in the percentage of people with high scores who actually applied to law school. I imagine we won't have that kind of data until the majority of applications are in. At least, that's what I think you guys are talking about. I could be way off base here.

This is true.

Comparing the % grid from Oct2011/2012 (So 2009-2012 and 2008-2011), it seems to show a very slight .1% increase in percentile per test takers at or above 174 - 178 with the 2012 data replacing the 2008 data.

The exact opposite trend for 170-173.


Considering it covers 4 years, it may be worth noting that a change was shown at all, but at the end of the day it's around .1% either way on almost all cases. But do note the fact that it's cumulative so the difference must overcome the change in 174-178 test takers and than further still show a drop versus the old data.


Here's a picture, as it makes it much easier to analyze yourself. But ya know, such small changes. Means almost nothing.

[HarlandBassett]

The drop in number of 170-180s should be proportional to drop in takers overall, since the percentiles stayed the same (ie 170=97th percentile) afaik, but last cycle there was a drop in the percentage of people with high scores who actually applied to law school. I imagine we won't have that kind of data until the majority of applications are in. At least, that's what I think you guys are talking about. I could be way off base here.

This is true.

Comparing the % grid from Oct2011/2012 (So 2009-2012 and 2008-2011), it seems to show a very slight .1% increase in percentile per test takers at or above 174 - 178 with the 2012 data replacing the 2008 data.

The exact opposite trend for 170-173.

Considering it covers 4 years, it may be worth noting that a change was shown at all, but at the end of the day it's around .1% either way on almost all cases. But do note the fact that it's cumulative so the difference must overcome the change in 174-178 test takers and than further still show a drop versus the old data.

Here's a picture, as it makes it much easier to analyze yourself. But ya know, such small changes. Means almost nothing.

thanks for clarifying.

[ddacey]

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[sinfiery]

What should one make of the fact the difference grows wider the farther you move down that list?

People are getting better at taking the test.

[Cobretti]

What should one make of the fact the difference grows wider the farther you move down that list?

People are getting better at taking the test.

It's these damn retakers

[sinfiery]

What should one make of the fact the difference grows wider the farther you move down that list?

People are getting better at taking the test.

It's these damn retakers

As long as the USN rankings statisticians don't catch wind of this, we're set.

[jkpolk]

When do they release the granular data of the LSAT score bands (specifically the % drop in 170-174 LSAT scores)?

Also curious. Isn't this data available in the schools' section of the LSAC wbesite? I tried to look at some of the raw data cited in an LSAT Blog post once and couldn't get access.

The drop in number of 170-180s should be proportional to drop in takers overall, since the percentiles stayed the same (ie 170=97th percentile) afaik, but last cycle there was a drop in the percentage of people with high scores who actually applied to law school. I imagine we won't have that kind of data until the majority of applications are in. At least, that's what I think you guys are talking about. I could be way off base here.

SHIFTY!!!

[KevinP]

New data published:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... volume.asp

I haven't kept up with law school info since I stopped caring, but I have access to the score breakdowns. I'd post them but don't want to get in trouble with LOLSAC. This breakdown this time is a bit weird... decline was greatest among top (170+) and bottom (149-) applicants. 175+ group saw such a huge decline... you wouldn't believe me even if I wrote it.

[naillsat]

New data published:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... volume.asp

I haven't kept up with law school info since I stopped caring, but I have access to the score breakdowns. I'd post them but don't want to get in trouble with LOLSAC. This breakdown this time is a bit weird... decline was greatest among top (170+) and bottom (149-) applicants. 175+ group saw such a huge decline... you wouldn't believe me even if I wrote it.

I found this encouraging news as an applicant this cycle:

As of 12/07/12, there are 106,608 Fall 2013 applications submitted by 16,241 applicants. Applicants are down 22.4% and applications are down 24.6% from 2012.

[HarlandBassett]

New data published:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... volume.asp

I haven't kept up with law school info since I stopped caring, but I have access to the score breakdowns. I'd post them but don't want to get in trouble with LOLSAC. This breakdown this time is a bit weird... decline was greatest among top (170+) and bottom (149-) applicants. 175+ group saw such a huge decline... you wouldn't believe me even if I wrote it.

nice. i also have no dog in this fight, and probably never will. this fallout is encouraging news.

[moonman157]

New data published:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... volume.asp

I haven't kept up with law school info since I stopped caring, but I have access to the score breakdowns. I'd post them but don't want to get in trouble with LOLSAC. This breakdown this time is a bit weird... decline was greatest among top (170+) and bottom (149-) applicants. 175+ group saw such a huge decline... you wouldn't believe me even if I wrote it.

I found this encouraging news as an applicant this cycle:

As of 12/07/12, there are 106,608 Fall 2013 applications submitted by 16,241 applicants. Applicants are down 22.4% and applications are down 24.6% from 2012.

This brings me so much joy

[ncc5]

Is it feasible for schools to drop their enrollment severely? I don't see how schools can maintain their GPA/LSAT medians without dropping enrollment. If they can't, that means good times for applicants. The more I read this data, the more I want to pray for people applying to law school in 2008. You guys really got the short end of the stick.