real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[cherrygalore]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.

I try to find a gap in logic in the question before I even look at the answers. I ask myself, what make or break this argument. Usually, I come up with something before hitting the answers and It's generally there. If not, then just apply opposite answers to all the questions and see what happens. But, for these I always find I do better if I come up with an idea of what's missing before going to the answers. Hope that helps!

[Mikey]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.

I try to find a gap in logic in the question before I even look at the answers. I ask myself, what make or break this argument. Usually, I come up with something before hitting the answers and It's generally there. If not, then just apply opposite answers to all the questions and see what happens. But, for these I always find I do better if I come up with an idea of what's missing before going to the answers. Hope that helps!

Thanks, you guys! I usually take a crap ton of time on these questions because i just don't have a set way of doing them. I'm going to drill a few of these questions in my cambridge book, although they literally only have 5 of these evaluate questions in this book but whatever, haha.

[Hobbesy]

despite having to retake, at least some TT schools are giving me fee waivers now. MMMM I wish my SO liked the south, I would apply to Emory.

Same. Penn, Vandy, Emory, and Duke all emailed me one and I was looking at my emails like YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO SELL ME A DREAM AND I'M BITING.

Just motivation to kill he December test tbh

[Hobbesy]

Thanks to everyone for all of the RC help, I'm gonna start implementing allllllll of these strategies so I never tank on RC again.

[cherrygalore]

despite having to retake, at least some TT schools are giving me fee waivers now. MMMM I wish my SO liked the south, I would apply to Emory.

Same. Penn, Vandy, Emory, and Duke all emailed me one and I was looking at my emails like YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO SELL ME A DREAM AND I'M BITING.

Just motivation to kill he December test tbh

I know it's definitely motivating me. Wasn't even planning on applying to Yale and they emailed me yesterday, I'm like why are you trying to get my hopes up when my GPA is below your 25th!

[20170322]

Officially checking-out of this thread. Got a 174 on the September test, got a refund for December, and submitted apps.

If anyone has questions about how to study, hmu.

[Mikey]

Officially checking-out of this thread. Got a 174 on the September test, got a refund for December, and submitted apps.

If anyone has questions about how to study, hmu.

<3

[20170322]

Officially checking-out of this thread. Got a 174 on the September test, got a refund for December, and submitted apps.

If anyone has questions about how to study, hmu.

<3

Mikey, straight up fam, don't be a stranger.

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Officially checking-out of this thread. Got a 174 on the September test, got a refund for December, and submitted apps.

If anyone has questions about how to study, hmu.

Go on git! Take yr high falutin 174 with you!
*cries internally*

[Mikey]

Officially checking-out of this thread. Got a 174 on the September test, got a refund for December, and submitted apps.

If anyone has questions about how to study, hmu.

<3

Mikey, straight up fam, don't be a stranger.

of course not!

[harveybirdman502]

Hello. First post here. Trying to find some helpful tips on Most Strongly Supported. I think the hard proved logic of all the other questions is throwing me off on types like these where there's more of a leap involved. Any advice would appreciated!

[Alexandros]

Popping in to say good luck, y'all. You've got this. <3 I second Tort completely - feel free to hmu if you think I might be able to help you with anything.

September crew - I'm gonna miss y'all. It's been real.

[Mikey]

Hello. First post here. Trying to find some helpful tips on Most Strongly Supported. I think the hard proved logic of all the other questions is throwing me off on types like these where there's more of a leap involved. Any advice would appreciated!

I think of these as the correct answer being the "missing conclusion". Pay very good attention to specific words like many, some, all, often, sometimes, and so on. Whatever you pick has to be, well, strongly supported by the stimulus. They're kind of similar to MBT questions also, imo. Try to anticipate and link stuff together like you would in MBT questions.

[Mikey]

Popping in to say good luck, y'all. You've got this. <3 I second Tort completely - feel free to hmu if you think I might be able to help you with anything.

September crew - I'm gonna miss y'all. It's been real.

yo, you're not gonna be on here anymore??

also, you can help me by taking my third take for me bb

[Greenteachurro]

Hello. First post here. Trying to find some helpful tips on Most Strongly Supported. I think the hard proved logic of all the other questions is throwing me off on types like these where there's more of a leap involved. Any advice would appreciated!

I think of these as the correct answer being the "missing conclusion". Pay very good attention to specific words like many, some, all, often, sometimes, and so on. Whatever you pick has to be, well, strongly supported by the stimulus. They're kind of similar to MBT questions also, imo. Try to anticipate and link stuff together like you would in MBT questions.

Yeah I think of them as bastard MBT questions too. IIRC PS bibles put them into the same category.

[harveybirdman502]

Hello. First post here. Trying to find some helpful tips on Most Strongly Supported. I think the hard proved logic of all the other questions is throwing me off on types like these where there's more of a leap involved. Any advice would appreciated!

I think of these as the correct answer being the "missing conclusion". Pay very good attention to specific words like many, some, all, often, sometimes, and so on. Whatever you pick has to be, well, strongly supported by the stimulus. They're kind of similar to MBT questions also, imo. Try to anticipate and link stuff together like you would in MBT questions.

Ok thank you. I found a couple people recommending the same thing, which helped me in my drills this afternoon.

Not very easy to eliminate answer choices on these questions.

[harveybirdman502]

Hello. First post here. Trying to find some helpful tips on Most Strongly Supported. I think the hard proved logic of all the other questions is throwing me off on types like these where there's more of a leap involved. Any advice would appreciated!

I think of these as the correct answer being the "missing conclusion". Pay very good attention to specific words like many, some, all, often, sometimes, and so on. Whatever you pick has to be, well, strongly supported by the stimulus. They're kind of similar to MBT questions also, imo. Try to anticipate and link stuff together like you would in MBT questions.

Yeah I think of them as bastard MBT questions too. IIRC PS bibles put them into the same category.

I think the lesser degree of certainty makes these difficult. Could be true choices can seem more appealing than with MBT.

[Greenteachurro]

Yeah for sure, they're definitely not the easiest. But, I think there's a few things that can be eliminated right away with each one of these questions, like anything that goes beyond the scope of the stimulus, and outside information can almost always be eliminated quickly. Which will leave you with 2/3 answers usually, and from there its just a matter of going back to the stim and verifying that everything being said in the AC was actually mentioned in the stim. Usually there's something that goes too far, or is just a little too off to be the right answer.

[harveybirdman502]

Yeah for sure, they're definitely not the easiest. But, I think there's a few things that can be eliminated right away with each one of these questions, like anything that goes beyond the scope of the stimulus, and outside information can almost always be eliminated quickly. Which will leave you with 2/3 answers usually, and from there its just a matter of going back to the stim and verifying that everything being said in the AC was actually mentioned in the stim. Usually there's something that goes too far, or is just a little too off to be the right answer.

Wow thanks for the response. This should be very helpful.

For anyone else, here are some possible MSS wrong answers I pulled from a blog:
1. New Actor: introducing a new topic and treating it as though the stimulus' evidence applies to it.
2. Relationship: linking two or more actors in a way that is not supported by the stimulus, i.e., claiming that one causes the other.
3. Degree of certainty: making claims that are too strong, i.e., "too certain," or too weak based on the key language in the stimulus.

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[Alexandros]

Popping in to say good luck, y'all. You've got this. <3 I second Tort completely - feel free to hmu if you think I might be able to help you with anything.

September crew - I'm gonna miss y'all. It's been real.

yo, you're not gonna be on here anymore??

also, you can help me by taking my third take for me bb

Leave TLS? You overestimate my self-control

Haha bruh, you're gonna kill it!!

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[Greenteachurro]

PT10. RC: -0.
PT11. RC: -1.

Well, these were a joke. I am not sure how valuable it is to do the earliest RC passages. I have a feeling they are not going to help me with lacquer. Any opinions?

They're valuable for practice definitely, obviously not as valuable as the newer ones but definitely better than trying to read the economist or whatever some people suggest doing. wouldn't depend on them but they can help build good habits, i burnt through 29-38's RCs trying to build the habits that I use .

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