The Official February 2015 Study Group Forum

ilikebaseball · Post by **ilikebaseball** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:12 pm

If you look at class sizes this year, some changed by as many as 80 seats. They don't really set a "seat limit." Its a business at the end of the day. Businesses want money and prestige.

Blueprint Ben · Post by **Blueprint Ben** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:12 pm

RaiderRed wrote:Oddly people in acceptance threads I follow are being rejected/waitlisted at or above medians and sometimes 75ths. Not a ton but a few. What causes this?

Outside of HYSCCN, this is pretty much entirely yield protection, which is a practice certain schools (most notably among the T14 Penn, UVA, Duke, and sometimes Cornell) use to weed out the applicants that will mostly likely have better options at higher ranked schools in order to boost their selectivity for US News. If an applicant with GPA/LSAT above 75ths doesn't show enough interest in the school, and the school's only way to entice the applicant to attend would be to offer huge amounts of scholarship money, the school will often choose to waitlist the applicant instead.

tl;dr - It's not always in the school's interest to accept every >75ths applicant, since that would hurt their yield/selectivity, which is part of the US News ranking methodology.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:14 pm

Blueprint Ben · Post by **Blueprint Ben** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:16 pm

Yes, Michigan does this too. Happy?

Dr. Nefario · Post by **Dr. Nefario** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:18 pm

So schools outside T14 YP too? I thought it was only a T14 thing to better their yield.

santoki · Post by **santoki** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:18 pm

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Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:19 pm

ilikebaseball · Post by **ilikebaseball** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:20 pm

RaiderRed wrote:So schools outside T14 YP too? I thought it was only a T14 thing to better their yield.

MOSTLY schools outside T14 YP, lol. Schools inside it fully expect the high numbers. But if someone applies to Cooley with a 170 they'd be a bit crazy not to decline and then put on their class profile "applications range 130-170"

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:20 pm

Dirigo wrote:Okay BP Robert.
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Blueprint Ben · Post by **Blueprint Ben** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:20 pm

Dirigo wrote:
BP Ben wrote:Yes, Michigan does this too. Happy?
It's like saying "The most selective schools are Yale and Stanford and Georgetown and WUSTL."

Overall excellent point about YP though! Snaps for you!!

Who is this guy?

Dr. Nefario · Post by **Dr. Nefario** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:22 pm

ilikebaseball wrote:
RaiderRed wrote:So schools outside T14 YP too? I thought it was only a T14 thing to better their yield.
MOSTLY schools outside T14 YP, lol. Schools inside it fully expect the high numbers. But if someone applies to Cooley with a 170 they'd be a bit crazy not to decline and then put on their class profile "applications range 130-170"

Ah this makes much more sense then. Obviously I'm still a noob on some things.

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:23 pm

BP Ben wrote:
Dirigo wrote:
BP Ben wrote:Yes, Michigan does this too. Happy?
It's like saying "The most selective schools are Yale and Stanford and Georgetown and WUSTL."

Overall excellent point about YP though! Snaps for you!!
Who is this guy?

He's the beloved deaf, gay megaposter around these parts. Don't let his bite scare you off, BP Ben. You'll grow to like it.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:23 pm

NL2424 · Post by **NL2424** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:23 pm

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:25 pm

RaiderRed wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:
RaiderRed wrote:So schools outside T14 YP too? I thought it was only a T14 thing to better their yield.
MOSTLY schools outside T14 YP, lol. Schools inside it fully expect the high numbers. But if someone applies to Cooley with a 170 they'd be a bit crazy not to decline and then put on their class profile "applications range 130-170"
Ah this makes much more sense then. Obviously I'm still a noob on some things.

I had no idea about any of this either, haha

Dr. Nefario · Post by **Dr. Nefario** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:26 pm

#lost #confused

Spivey come play Morgan Freeman and reveal the exposition.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:27 pm

NL2424 · Post by **NL2424** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:28 pm

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:32 pm

zacboro wrote:retracted. Don't wanna ruin my LSAT karma.

I saw it. Don't dehumanize my deaf friend!

ilikebaseball · Post by **ilikebaseball** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:32 pm

Dirigo wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:
RaiderRed wrote:So schools outside T14 YP too? I thought it was only a T14 thing to better their yield.
MOSTLY schools outside T14 YP, lol.
Not true at all. YP is by and large confined to the T14 (maybe T20) because they're the ones who care most about gaming the rankings.

All schools care about rankings. I see it in threads every year and if you don't believe it check lawschoolnumbers. Schools with low rankings always YP high applicants. It happens in the T14 frequently outside of the top 6 or so, but I know for a fact schools like Tulane, Maryland, and other schools I've personally applied to have Yp'd frequently in the past. It isn't confined to a certain number. All schools look to shoot up the rankings because the vast majority of applicants don't realize that the rankings don't matter outside of T20

NL2424 · Post by **NL2424** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:33 pm

santoki · Post by **santoki** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:33 pm

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NL2424 · Post by **NL2424** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:34 pm

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:34 pm

santoki wrote:saw it. karma is the least of your worries zachary

rigo rath will fall upon you like a thousand suns

I am a fan of evil bunny.

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:35 pm

Shakawkaw wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Okay BP Robert.
Okay BP Robert.
Okay BP Robert.
Okay BP Robert.
Okay BP Robert.

ETA: BP Ben, you're dropping the ball. I explicitly asked for hump day advice. It's now #tbt.