real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Greenteachurro]

I personally read the section twice, and between each paragraph I make a mental note of what that paragraph was about, and at the end of the passage I decide what the main point was. I probably spend 4 minutes on just the reading.

But RC is super personal, like different strategies work better for some people than others

just saw that you posted this. looks like we have a similar approach

out of curiosity, if you're comfortable sharing, which passages did you lose RC points on for the sept test?

Lost 3 points on Eileen and then messed up the audience q on muscle memory.

[MindBodyAbs]

I personally read the section twice, and between each paragraph I make a mental note of what that paragraph was about, and at the end of the passage I decide what the main point was. I probably spend 4 minutes on just the reading.

But RC is super personal, like different strategies work better for some people than others

just saw that you posted this. looks like we have a similar approach

out of curiosity, if you're comfortable sharing, which passages did you lose RC points on for the sept test?

Lost 3 points on Eileen and then messed up the audience q on muscle memory.

i missed the audience question as well. reviewing this passage, it's pretty obvious who the intended audience for Passage A is which in turn makes the correct answer choice pretty obvious even if the audience for Passage B isn't as clear cut, so i'm pretty mad i missed it. live and learn though

[Deardevil]

about 6 mins per passage, yes. i had to fight my natural tendency to speed read, but spending time on the passage rather than the questions helped me quite a bit.

Cool. I just went -4 by going a little slower with the reading;
seems a lot more relaxing when you don't have to go back to the passage as often. Thanks for the tip!

[dj9i27]

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[Greenteachurro]

anyone have any oddball game suggestions?

I'm going to prep myself against a second virus game this december

[Barack O'Drama]

I've recently become a lot better at the RC method by employing what is called the method of loci.

Here is a little blurb for those unfamiliar: http://remembereverything.org/memory-pa ... d-of-loci/

Essentially, I visualize all of the info in my head with a visual mental map of the passage. It is quite difficult to explain exactly what is going on in my head while I use this method, but I'll try to demonstrate it with an example below.

So let's say I am reading an RC passage about an African American poet in the eighteenth century. I will visualize myself walking into my house and picture the poet sitting on my couch. In my mind, we are in the 1760s though....Slavery is still legal and the clothing looks ridiculous. America is not yet a nation.... In her hand, I will see her writing with my Cross brand pen. This will help me remember she is religious. As I walk over to take my jacket off, on my wall, I pass a picture of my grandfather who was from Africa. I remember how his English was broken like the English used by the poet. I quickly remember how he was able to transcend the cultural barriers like the poet by learning to read and write English correctly.

Something like that. I know it sounds like gibberish and to anyone but me it probably is, haha. It isn't as complicated as it sounds, though. I let the story occur naturally in my head and I use the strong memories that already exist and map new ones from the passage on to them.

The most important aspect of it isn't necessarily the method of loci, but visualizing the passage in a story form. I try to create a vivid "movie" in my head of the passage in real time. When I go back to answer the questions it is a lot easier to recall the info.

Just an idea that's worked for me that people may want to try.... The 7Sage memory method is a variation of this, but this adds another dimension I find really helpful.

I hope some of you will find this helpful!

[MindBodyAbs]

about 6 mins per passage, yes. i had to fight my natural tendency to speed read, but spending time on the passage rather than the questions helped me quite a bit.

Cool. I just went -4 by going a little slower with the reading;
seems a lot more relaxing when you don't have to go back to the passage as often. Thanks for the tip!

welcome! glad to see this approach isn't totally crazy

[dj9i27]

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[Instrumental]

anyone have any oddball game suggestions?

I'm going to prep myself against a second virus game this december

When I don't know what to do, I just try to start drawing out rules. With the virus game, I wasn't confident, but I just looked at the rules and just started drawing out what I could. As you do so, you'll start to see how it comes together. Managed to get a small mapping of the rules from doing that. Since the game can be designed however, I think that's really the only guideline that will consistently help. Gotta just remain calm. In this case it worked in the end. Got -0 on that one despite being pressed for time due to the previous game.

[SunDevil14]

I've recently become a lot better at the RC method by employing what is called the method of loci.

Here is a little blurb for those unfamiliar: http://remembereverything.org/memory-pa ... d-of-loci/

Essentially, I visualize all of the info in my head with a visual mental map of the passage. It is quite difficult to explain exactly what is going on in my head while I use this method, but I'll try to demonstrate it with an example below.

So let's say I am reading an RC passage about an African American poet in the eighteenth century. I will visualize myself walking into my house and picture the poet sitting on my couch. In my mind, we are in the 1760s though....Slavery is still legal and the clothing looks ridiculous. America is not yet a nation.... In her hand, I will see her writing with my Cross brand pen. This will help me remember she is religious. As I walk over to take my jacket off, on my wall, I pass a picture of my grandfather who was from Africa. I remember how his English was broken like the English used by the poet. I quickly remember how he was able to transcend the cultural barriers like the poet by learning to read and write English correctly.

Something like that. I know it sounds like gibberish and to anyone but me it probably is, haha. It isn't as complicated as it sounds, though. I let the story occur naturally in my head and I use the strong memories that already exist and map new ones from the passage on to them.

The most important aspect of it isn't necessarily the method of loci, but visualizing the passage in a story form. I try to create a vivid "movie" in my head of the passage in real time. When I go back to answer the questions it is a lot easier to recall the info.

Just an idea that's worked for me that people may want to try.... The 7Sage memory method is a variation of this, but this adds another dimension I find really helpful.

I hope some of you will find this helpful!

How long did it take for you to implement this ^, and when did you start seeing results?

I have been using the Manhattan prep reading for scale method recently, seems to be working. As I read I make a brief pause after each argument (view point) is expressed and make a concise summary. I then use the mental frame of a judge weighing the evidence of each party as it presented before me. After reading so many passages, I easily recognize the trends and language cues so when I encounter them I anticipate the arguments to come.

[SunDevil14]

I had a string of a few less than stellar performances lately on PT's. It's comforting knowing that when I do poorly I tend to hover in the high 160's as opposed to the mid 160's from a moth ago.

I think that just as important as improving your personal best, is improving you bottom line.

[cherrygalore]

How many PTSs do you think we should be taking per week until the test? I don't want to do too many too soon and then run out before the test.

[Instrumental]

How many PTSs do you think we should be taking per week until the test? I don't want to do too many too soon and then run out before the test.

In November, I'll be taking two a week up to the date of the test (10 total). I think it's more important to train and hone skills in your problem areas than take PTs though. Taking a PT won't necessarily improve your ability like specific drilling will.

[Barack O'Drama]

I've recently become a lot better at the RC method by employing what is called the method of loci.

Here is a little blurb for those unfamiliar: http://remembereverything.org/memory-pa ... d-of-loci/

Essentially, I visualize all of the info in my head with a visual mental map of the passage. It is quite difficult to explain exactly what is going on in my head while I use this method, but I'll try to demonstrate it with an example below.

So let's say I am reading an RC passage about an African American poet in the eighteenth century. I will visualize myself walking into my house and picture the poet sitting on my couch. In my mind, we are in the 1760s though....Slavery is still legal and the clothing looks ridiculous. America is not yet a nation.... In her hand, I will see her writing with my Cross brand pen. This will help me remember she is religious. As I walk over to take my jacket off, on my wall, I pass a picture of my grandfather who was from Africa. I remember how his English was broken like the English used by the poet. I quickly remember how he was able to transcend the cultural barriers like the poet by learning to read and write English correctly.

Something like that. I know it sounds like gibberish and to anyone but me it probably is, haha. It isn't as complicated as it sounds, though. I let the story occur naturally in my head and I use the strong memories that already exist and map new ones from the passage on to them.

The most important aspect of it isn't necessarily the method of loci, but visualizing the passage in a story form. I try to create a vivid "movie" in my head of the passage in real time. When I go back to answer the questions it is a lot easier to recall the info.

Just an idea that's worked for me that people may want to try.... The 7Sage memory method is a variation of this, but this adds another dimension I find really helpful.

I hope some of you will find this helpful!

How long did it take for you to implement this ^, and when did you start seeing results?

I have been using the Manhattan prep reading for scale method recently, seems to be working. As I read I make a brief pause after each argument (view point) is expressed and make a concise summary. I then use the mental frame of a judge weighing the evidence of each party as it presented before me. After reading so many passages, I easily recognize the trends and language cues so when I encounter them I anticipate the arguments to come.

I've used the method before in college to memorize stuff for bio/chem classes. So it didn't take long at all. I saw results immediately. However, I'm not sure how much if is the method itself and how much of it is just keeping a mental picture of the passage in my head. Most likely a bit of both.

I like Manhattan's methods too as well as The Trainer's. You can use them both while still keeping a visual mental map of the passage in your head which I've found really helpful.

[SunDevil14]

How many PTSs do you think we should be taking per week until the test? I don't want to do too many too soon and then run out before the test.

In November, I'll be taking two a week up to the date of the test (10 total). I think it's more important to train and hone skills in your problem areas than take PTs though. Taking a PT won't necessarily improve your ability like specific drilling will.

I am aiming for 2 to 3 a week in the month of November, drilling as needed. Even 3 is on tad on the high side, though I will have plenty of time to take PT's and review. 4 or more just seems excessive. Ideally you want to thoroughly review after each test, and drill intensely if a glaring weaknesses emerge.

[kindofcanuck]

How many PTSs do you think we should be taking per week until the test? I don't want to do too many too soon and then run out before the test.

Depends how you're working and what your problems are.

I'm looking at breaking it down, to reserve about 6-10 PTs for full testing fresh, once to twice a week, and the rest to be drills done as sections throughout the week. Add back in review of sections from the PTs that don't go well (yesterday's 171 on June 2007 showed up a big potential problem with RC details, so sticking in more of that).

[Rigo]

What's everyone doing this weekend?

[Greenteachurro]

Pt 54 at 172 lost points last LR , I think because I got distracted by the people going to the football game

[simplypara588]

Newcomer checking in! I took the September test and scored a 167, but know I'm capable of getting at least a couple of points better next time around with some hard work! I just bought the 7sage ultimate mainly for the question bank/drilling purposes...if anyone has gone through their whole curriculum and has advice regarding what lessons are worth going through when you're already scoring reasonably high, it'd be much appreciated

[Vino.Veritas]

I've recently become a lot better at the RC method by employing what is called the method of loci.

Here is a little blurb for those unfamiliar: http://remembereverything.org/memory-pa ... d-of-loci/

Essentially, I visualize all of the info in my head with a visual mental map of the passage. It is quite difficult to explain exactly what is going on in my head while I use this method, but I'll try to demonstrate it with an example below.

So let's say I am reading an RC passage about an African American poet in the eighteenth century. I will visualize myself walking into my house and picture the poet sitting on my couch. In my mind, we are in the 1760s though....Slavery is still legal and the clothing looks ridiculous. America is not yet a nation.... In her hand, I will see her writing with my Cross brand pen. This will help me remember she is religious. As I walk over to take my jacket off, on my wall, I pass a picture of my grandfather who was from Africa. I remember how his English was broken like the English used by the poet. I quickly remember how he was able to transcend the cultural barriers like the poet by learning to read and write English correctly.

Something like that. I know it sounds like gibberish and to anyone but me it probably is, haha. It isn't as complicated as it sounds, though. I let the story occur naturally in my head and I use the strong memories that already exist and map new ones from the passage on to them.

The most important aspect of it isn't necessarily the method of loci, but visualizing the passage in a story form. I try to create a vivid "movie" in my head of the passage in real time. When I go back to answer the questions it is a lot easier to recall the info.

Just an idea that's worked for me that people may want to try.... The 7Sage memory method is a variation of this, but this adds another dimension I find really helpful.

I hope some of you will find this helpful!

This literally just changed my life. I just went -2 on RC using this method. That's a new personal best for me!

[Hobbesy]

Took a PT this morning (December 2011 no idea what number) and backslid so dramatically that I'm feeling inconsolable and questioning everything/my ability to get my goal score in the next 6 weeks.

Not that it matters, but the only solace I can find is that I went I went -8 overall in the last two sections (-4 and -4, still below my average but way better than sections 1-3) after I turned off the blaring tv I had one as an attempt to take a test with loud noise around me. Unfortunately one of those sections was the unscored section.

So I'm just looking for advice and/or encouragement because I'm really worried at this point.

Forget you ever took this test and proceed as normal. Hiccup tests are pretty common (under good PT conditions and yours was bad which is an even bigger indicator of this test not mattering) and you just gotta shake em off.

[ZVBXRPL]

Checking in! 161 on sept. Lsat. Kinda bummed. Anyone have ideas on dealing with abstract flaw questions?

[Barack O'Drama]

I've recently become a lot better at the RC method by employing what is called the method of loci.

Here is a little blurb for those unfamiliar: http://remembereverything.org/memory-pa ... d-of-loci/

Essentially, I visualize all of the info in my head with a visual mental map of the passage. It is quite difficult to explain exactly what is going on in my head while I use this method, but I'll try to demonstrate it with an example below.

So let's say I am reading an RC passage about an African American poet in the eighteenth century. I will visualize myself walking into my house and picture the poet sitting on my couch. In my mind, we are in the 1760s though....Slavery is still legal and the clothing looks ridiculous. America is not yet a nation.... In her hand, I will see her writing with my Cross brand pen. This will help me remember she is religious. As I walk over to take my jacket off, on my wall, I pass a picture of my grandfather who was from Africa. I remember how his English was broken like the English used by the poet. I quickly remember how he was able to transcend the cultural barriers like the poet by learning to read and write English correctly.

Something like that. I know it sounds like gibberish and to anyone but me it probably is, haha. It isn't as complicated as it sounds, though. I let the story occur naturally in my head and I use the strong memories that already exist and map new ones from the passage on to them.

The most important aspect of it isn't necessarily the method of loci, but visualizing the passage in a story form. I try to create a vivid "movie" in my head of the passage in real time. When I go back to answer the questions it is a lot easier to recall the info.

Just an idea that's worked for me that people may want to try.... The 7Sage memory method is a variation of this, but this adds another dimension I find really helpful.

I hope some of you will find this helpful!

This literally just changed my life. I just went -2 on RC using this method. That's a new personal best for me!

Awesome dude! I'm happy someone found it helpful. It helped me immensely as well! Congrats on that amazing RC score!

[Mikey]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

[Instrumental]

How do you guys do Evaluate questions in LR? These are the one Q type that I'm beyond inconsistent with, but I usually try to do the whole "answer it with 2 extremes" or whatever that 7sage says, but I just suck at them.

Tips??

Those are the ones where they ask you what information would be best to know in evaluating the conclusion right? I focus on the premises used and first try to think of what I would want to know about them before looking at any of the choices. Then I go through each answer choice and consider how it would affect the the conclusion if it were true.