The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

[Rigo]

ETA: Does anyone have a good PT schedule yet? I've failed to find any real life people to study with and I'd like some sort of structure and competition/assistance in PTing.

I'm probably putting one together tonight. I'll start with mostly retakes in the 40s and do a PT either once a week or once every 2 weeks until March? Idk I haven't figured it out yet
Eta: I'm willing to share or make PT schedules with others to help with accountability or if you're competitive and want to score higher than me on all the PTs

If you guys get something together, count me in.

[RZ5646]

I'm looking to do all the ones from 40 to the present, but that's 2.5 per week. Idk if I'd have the time for that.

Though honestly at this point I should probably slack on my school work some if that means I'll get a better LSAT score. I go to a school that offers A+s, so it really doesn't matter if I don't get straight As one semester. I'd still beat the 75ths, and I don't think they'd call one or two bad grades a "downward trend."

[TheWalkingDebt]

ETA: Does anyone have a good PT schedule yet? I've failed to find any real life people to study with and I'd like some sort of structure and competition/assistance in PTing.

I'm probably putting one together tonight. I'll start with mostly retakes in the 40s and do a PT either once a week or once every 2 weeks until March? Idk I haven't figured it out yet
Eta: I'm willing to share or make PT schedules with others to help with accountability or if you're competitive and want to score higher than me on all the PTs

If you guys get something together, count me in.

I have one that has 1/day for 2 months starting April, basically. Can share if y'all want. (All I have to do prior to June 8 is study, thank god for UI). It is basically all the preptests. You can remove/edit as you like.

[Rigo]

I have one that has 1/day for 2 months starting April, basically. Can share if y'all want. (All I have to do prior to June 8 is study, thank god for UI). It is basically all the preptests. You can remove/edit as you like.

That's insane. 3-4 a week max, kiddies.

[JackelJ]

If you guys get something together, count me in.

I'm looking to do all the ones from 40 to the present, but that's 2.5 per week. Idk if I'd have the time for that.

Though honestly at this point I should probably slack on my school work some if that means I'll get a better LSAT score. I go to a school that offers A+s, so it really doesn't matter if I don't get straight As one semester. I'd still beat the 75ths, and I don't think they'd call one or two bad grades a "downward trend."

Yeah I'm with your situation in terms of GPA. If I get straight As until I graduate it'll go up from 3.82 to 3.88. Cool. If I get a mix then it'll stay at 3.82. Yes, I calculated that all out because I have an awesome spreadsheet. BUT I'm not going to intentionally slack on school work and I'm not saying you should either.

Anyways, I'm thinking of using some PTs as experimental sections and some as just individual timed sections. Rigo and RZ, are there any PTs that you have already done and how many fresh ones do you have left? I'm thinking that I'll do one per week while I drill everything again. Then sometime in April I'll start doing ~2 a week. In May I'll do 2-3 a week throwing in some back-to-back ones. That should get me through all or most of them.

[TheWalkingDebt]

I have one that has 1/day for 2 months starting April, basically. Can share if y'all want. (All I have to do prior to June 8 is study, thank god for UI). It is basically all the preptests. You can remove/edit as you like.

That's insane. 3-4 a week max, kiddies.

I don't really see how it is insane. That plus BRing is all I will do that day (and like I've said, I literally have nothing else going on). But you do you.

[Rigo]

I have one that has 1/day for 2 months starting April, basically. Can share if y'all want. (All I have to do prior to June 8 is study, thank god for UI). It is basically all the preptests. You can remove/edit as you like.

That's insane. 3-4 a week max, kiddies.

I don't really see how it is insane. That plus BRing is all I will do that day (and like I've said, I literally have nothing else going on). But you do you.

I have no doubts that 7 PTs (for 8 weeks? Lulz) a week will lead to burnout.

[TheWalkingDebt]

I have one that has 1/day for 2 months starting April, basically. Can share if y'all want. (All I have to do prior to June 8 is study, thank god for UI). It is basically all the preptests. You can remove/edit as you like.

That's insane. 3-4 a week max, kiddies.

I don't really see how it is insane. That plus BRing is all I will do that day (and like I've said, I literally have nothing else going on). But you do you.

I have no doubts that 7 PTs (for 8 weeks? Lulz) a week will lead to burnout.

1) Maybe we have different burnout thresholds?
2) Thank god I am PTing for 2 months and if I deem it is too much, can scale back. I'd hate to only schedule 2-3 weeks (or 2 tests/week)and realize it isn't enough 2-3 days before test day.

[Rigo]

1) Maybe we have different burnout thresholds?
2) Thank god I am PTing for 2 months and if I deem it is too much, can scale back. I'd hate to only schedule 2-3 weeks and realize it isn't enough 2-3 days before test day.

1) Seeing as how you're just starting, I was providing a helpful and accurate suggestion.
2) Nobody was suggesting you only PT 2-3 weeks ahead of June 8th.
3) Follow ur dreamz.

[TheWalkingDebt]

1) Maybe we have different burnout thresholds?
2) Thank god I am PTing for 2 months and if I deem it is too much, can scale back. I'd hate to only schedule 2-3 weeks and realize it isn't enough 2-3 days before test day.

1) Seeing as how you're just starting, I was providing a helpful and accurate suggestion.
2) Nobody was suggesting you only PT 2-3 weeks ahead of June 8th.
3) Follow ur dreamz.

2) I said OR 2-3 tests/wk.
3) List-based LSAT debates FTW.

Haha. In all likelihood, I will nix one here and there, but I basically exist to LSAT.

[JackelJ]

2) I said OR 2-3 tests/wk.
3) List-based LSAT debates FTW.

Haha. In all likelihood, I will nix one here and there, but I basically exist to LSAT.

Listen to Rigo. A PT a day with thorough review is crazy. But, go ahead and try for yourself if you don't believe us. Do a PT a day and I doubt you will disagree with us after a week. We are just trying to offer helpful advice. I tried the whole 4-5 PTs a week thing last August and burnout is real. Are you drilling at all? Drilling is much more effective in my opinion.

[Rigo]

Anyways, I'm thinking of using some PTs as experimental sections and some as just individual timed sections. Rigo and RZ, are there any PTs that you have already done and how many fresh ones do you have left? I'm thinking that I'll do one per week while I drill everything again. Then sometime in April I'll start doing ~2 a week. In May I'll do 2-3 a week throwing in some back-to-back ones. That should get me through all or most of them.

The fresh PTs I have (18 total):
44, 45, 46, 47, 50
56, 57, 58
60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 66, 67, 68
72, 73

I have everything else from PT41 to PT74 available as a retake / possible experimental sections. I'm thinking I definitely won't touch at least the fresh PT60 thru PT73 until April and do the same kind of plan you're thinking, Jackel.

[JackelJ]

The fresh PTs I have (18 total):
44, 45, 46, 47, 50
55, 56, 57, 58
60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69
70, 71, 72, 73, 74
PrepTest C

I have everything else from PT41 to PT74 available as a retake / possible experimental sections. I'm thinking I definitely won't touch at least the fresh PT60 thru PT73 until April and do the same kind of plan you're thinking, Jackel.

green=I have as fresh also
blue=Fresh ones I have that I added
red=ones I took and BR'ed recently so I will not be using them
All others are ones I plan on retaking or using in some way since I took them 5+ months ago when I was naive and didn't BR so I don't remember the questions. I am also not planning on touching the fresh PT60 through PT73 until April. I'll probably do the 70s first and then the 60s in case I need to fix anything that gave me trouble in the 70s

[TheWalkingDebt]

2) I said OR 2-3 tests/wk.
3) List-based LSAT debates FTW.

Haha. In all likelihood, I will nix one here and there, but I basically exist to LSAT.

Listen to Rigo. A PT a day with thorough review is crazy. But, go ahead and try for yourself if you don't believe us. Do a PT a day and I doubt you will disagree with us after a week. We are just trying to offer helpful advice. I tried the whole 4-5 PTs a week thing last August and burnout is real. Are you drilling at all? Drilling is much more effective in my opinion.

Yep. Using the in-book drills for each of Trainer, PS bibles, and Manhattan, in addition to separate drills from PTs. Basically utilizing PTs 52-57 for drills.

[JackelJ]

I just registered for 2 races this summer that I will train for parallel to studying for the LSAT. Hopefully the training will keep me sane while studying for the next 4 months. One is a week after the June test, so it should be enough of a distraction to prevent anxiety or nerves, or thats my theory

[leslieknope]

I just registered for 2 races this summer that I will train for parallel to studying for the LSAT. Hopefully the training will keep me sane while studying for the next 4 months. One is a week after the June test, so it should be enough of a distraction to prevent anxiety or nerves, or thats my theory

I finished Couch to 5k literally the night before the December LSAT, and it was such a good decision to do it concurrently. It kept me sane and on track.

[JackelJ]

I just registered for 2 races this summer that I will train for parallel to studying for the LSAT. Hopefully the training will keep me sane while studying for the next 4 months. One is a week after the June test, so it should be enough of a distraction to prevent anxiety or nerves, or thats my theory

I finished Couch to 5k literally the night before the December LSAT, and it was such a good decision to do it concurrently. It kept me sane and on track.

happy to hear it helped!

[JazzyMac]

I just registered for 2 races this summer that I will train for parallel to studying for the LSAT. Hopefully the training will keep me sane while studying for the next 4 months. One is a week after the June test, so it should be enough of a distraction to prevent anxiety or nerves, or thats my theory

I've also done a lot better with my workout regime. Going 3-4 times a week, and doing 60+ minutes of workouts (cardio/weights), versus before when I was going maybe 1-3 times and doing 30 or so minutes. Already in January I've seen a difference in my levels of commitment and mental psyche.

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

[JazzyMac]

I've updated and re-updated my study plan:

(Phase 1)
LSAT Logic Games Bible
LSAT Reading Comprehension Bible
LSAT Logic Reasoning Bible
10 LSATs, 29-38, 53-56--Drills (Used a loose plan from LSAT Blog)
10 LSATs, 19-28--Drills/Prep-Tests

(Phase 2...Review)
LSAT Logic Games Workbook
LSATs Deconstructed, Prep Test 43-45
Official LSAT Superprep
LSAT Trainer--Whatever I haven't completed

(Phase 3-13 Prep Tests)
Prep Test**10 LSATs, 52, 57-61
Prep Test**Individual LSATs, 71, 70, 69, 68, 67, 65, 64, 62
(I didn't order Prep Tests 63 & 66 because I didn't like the numbers)

[The Abyss]

I just registered for 2 races this summer that I will train for parallel to studying for the LSAT. Hopefully the training will keep me sane while studying for the next 4 months. One is a week after the June test, so it should be enough of a distraction to prevent anxiety or nerves, or thats my theory

I've also done a lot better with my workout regime. Going 3-4 times a week, and doing 60+ minutes of workouts (cardio/weights), versus before when I was going maybe 1-3 times and doing 30 or so minutes. Already in January I've seen a difference in my levels of commitment and mental psyche.

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.

[The Abyss]

If you guys get something together, count me in.

I'm looking to do all the ones from 40 to the present, but that's 2.5 per week. Idk if I'd have the time for that.

Though honestly at this point I should probably slack on my school work some if that means I'll get a better LSAT score. I go to a school that offers A+s, so it really doesn't matter if I don't get straight As one semester. I'd still beat the 75ths, and I don't think they'd call one or two bad grades a "downward trend."

Yeah I'm with your situation in terms of GPA. If I get straight As until I graduate it'll go up from 3.82 to 3.88. Cool. If I get a mix then it'll stay at 3.82. Yes, I calculated that all out because I have an awesome spreadsheet. BUT I'm not going to intentionally slack on school work and I'm not saying you should either.

Anyways, I'm thinking of using some PTs as experimental sections and some as just individual timed sections. Rigo and RZ, are there any PTs that you have already done and how many fresh ones do you have left? I'm thinking that I'll do one per week while I drill everything again. Then sometime in April I'll start doing ~2 a week. In May I'll do 2-3 a week throwing in some back-to-back ones. That should get me through all or most of them.

This is nearly identical to my current plan for PTs.

[JackelJ]

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.

While I disagree with Jazzy's logic, I do not think that 75 minutes a day is too much if you are using different muscle groups or mixing up your exercises and your body feels fine. But, everyone's body is different and if you find yourself really tired while studying or something maybe adjust accordingly. And yea both of the races are halfs. There are full marathons over the summer but I opted against that because I need my Saturday mornings for PTing and not 20 mile runs.

[nlee10]

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.

While I disagree with Jazzy's logic, I do not think that 75 minutes a day is too much if you are using different muscle groups or mixing up your exercises and your body feels fine. But, everyone's body is different and if you find yourself really tired while studying or something maybe adjust accordingly. And yea both of the races are halfs. There are full marathons over the summer but I opted against that because I need my Saturday mornings for PTing and not 20 mile runs.

+1
What does "working out" consist of? If it's walking on the treadmill or doing machine weights, then 75 mins is fine. If your squatting 400+ pounds, deadlifting 450+ pounds per session, then yes.

[lawjag2015]

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.

While I disagree with Jazzy's logic, I do not think that 75 minutes a day is too much if you are using different muscle groups or mixing up your exercises and your body feels fine. But, everyone's body is different and if you find yourself really tired while studying or something maybe adjust accordingly. And yea both of the races are halfs. There are full marathons over the summer but I opted against that because I need my Saturday mornings for PTing and not 20 mile runs.

+1
What does "working out" consist of? If it's walking on the treadmill or doing machine weights, then 75 mins is fine. If your squatting 400+ pounds, deadlifting 450+ pounds per session, then yes.

Doing 5-6 miles run and weights on alternate days. Sometimes I go too heavy, for me that is, 50 pound curls. One hour a day. I just need to come back earlier from work. Trying to make it happen!

[The Abyss]

Logic Conclusion: Everyone should work out at least 75 minutes a day.

75 minutes a day is way too much. The body has to have time to recover.

There's a half marathon coming up that I'd like to do, and I'll be definitely doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) this 4th of July. Races are fun. Are the races 10k's or Half's Jackel? I'm assuming no one has or does marathons in the summer.

While I disagree with Jazzy's logic, I do not think that 75 minutes a day is too much if you are using different muscle groups or mixing up your exercises and your body feels fine. But, everyone's body is different and if you find yourself really tired while studying or something maybe adjust accordingly. And yea both of the races are halfs. There are full marathons over the summer but I opted against that because I need my Saturday mornings for PTing and not 20 mile runs.

It's not that I tire from working out and therefore can't study, it's that I don't understand what the hell someone would be doing for 75 minutes 7 days a week unless they're an athlete. It seems awfully inefficient to me. A good workout is something like 5 sets of 5 reps of Squats, Bench Presses, and Barbell Rows (takes maybe 20 minutes), a few sets of pull ups (5 minutes), some kettlebell swings (5-10 minutes), 15-20 minutes running (usually running intervals going from 8 to 6 minute paces every other minute), and 15-20 minutes of mobility work. On the high side that's 75 minutes, but I only do something like this 3 or 4 times a week and it's a workout that works the entire body and includes some recovery exercises. Everyday seems like overkill, and working out individual muscle groups via isolation exercises does little for functional strength. However, if someone is working out just to look good, then isolation exercises are great. They just do very little for functional strength.

I can't even imagine running a marathon in the summer. Way too hot here in Atlanta for that sort of distance.