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[34iplaw]

what does "in order to" mean in LSAT, a necessary or sufficient condition?


it appears in so many questions, and i have been doing them without knowledge of the above.

Could you give an example of the context?

IIRC the usage i had come across was:

"in order to do X, one should do Y"

That would imply that X requires Y from some moral/judgement standpoint... not like a super strict necessary condition but more of a If X then Y otherwise unjust type deal.

[Alexandros]

what does "in order to" mean in LSAT, a necessary or sufficient condition?


it appears in so many questions, and i have been doing them without knowledge of the above.

Could you give an example of the context?

IIRC the usage i had come across was:

"in order to do X, one should do Y"

That would imply that X requires Y from some moral/judgement standpoint... not like a super strict necessary condition but more of a If X then Y otherwise unjust type deal.

^
If it was "in order to do X, one *must* do Y", then X->Y. Y is necessary, X is sufficient.

[Deardevil]

what does "in order to" mean in LSAT, a necessary or sufficient condition?


it appears in so many questions, and i have been doing them without knowledge of the above.

You can see "in order to" as "because."

In order to do X, one MUST do Y, and "must" always signifies a necessary condition.
Because of X, one HAS to do Y. Because of X, one is FORCED to do Y; again, having to do something means it's necessary.

Thus, it is a sufficient condition.

Another way of looking at it is recognizing that "in order to" perform an action, a PREREQUISITE is NEEDED.
For example, in order to get into law school, you have to take the LSAT;
taking the exam is necessary, but it is certainly not enough to land you into law school,
which is why you cannot say "in order to take the LSAT, you have to be in law school."

[Shakawkaw]

Just went -0 in 32 minutes on PT 76 LG. And I did it while some church service was going on next to me and this guy was preaching, so I think I deserve bonus points.

or maybe it's a sign you need are Jesus

FTFY.

SHAK! always good to hear from you again.

How are you!? Surprised to see you on here - retaking it after a 2 year hiatus like the best of us?

[PhiladelphiaCollins]

Gonna be logging off here from now until Saturday afternoon. No more PTs for me, just some drilling. Thanks to everyone ITT for their help, being a place to vent and good luck next Saturday!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Yesterday morning- I had an unreal PT. Absolutely Crushed PT 73 and scored record breaking 177. Went -0 in one LR section. Went savage in RC too going -1. I think there were some questions that definitely just worked out in my favor. Really hope it wasn't a stat outlier because that was nuts. Going to review and drill today. By far my best performance time wise too. Felt very at ease and finished with ~5-6 min left in LR sections and was able to BR during the test, allowing me to fix one question to the right answer and then verify my thoughts on other ones.

I got up at 5 went for a run, showered, pounded some coffee and just was very relaxed and didn't think much about what I was doing and I think that mentality really made a huge difference.

that's beast performance. i did 73 recently and i found it super tough esp the LR. which ones you missed?

i can't figure out how people are able to finish LR or RC with ~5-6 min remaining, i always run so close to the 35 mins.

Me too. That was the first time that I got through the section that swiftly. It was great. Was able to save myself and fix a few questions. In Section 4 LR, I missed #14,21 and 24.

[Mikey]

Gonna be logging off here from now until Saturday afternoon. No more PTs for me, just some drilling. Thanks to everyone ITT for their help, being a place to vent and good luck next Saturday!!

see you on the other side homie

[Rupert Pupkin]

Gonna be logging off here from now until Saturday afternoon. No more PTs for me, just some drilling. Thanks to everyone ITT for their help, being a place to vent and good luck next Saturday!!

see you on the other side homie

Best of luck mate!

[20170322]

So, after a lot of thought, I've decided to postpone to Dec....


Naaa, I'm just fucking around. So ready for this test, tho.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Looking forward to the shenanigans that is going to commence next sat post exam... lol Really wish the waiting period for score wasnt so long though

[Mikey]

So, after a lot of thought, I've decided to postpone to Dec....


Naaa, I'm just fucking around. So ready for this test, tho.

[20170322]

So, after a lot of thought, I've decided to postpone to Dec....


Naaa, I'm just fucking around. So ready for this test, tho.

Starting to get excited. These apps are burning a hole in my pocket.

[Pozzo]

PT 76 this AM.

RC: -3
LR: -4
LG: -0
Exp LR
LR: -1

Raw: 93, Scaled: 174

That first LR was super tough, yeah? Or was it just me? Super happy to have gone -0 on LG, especially since I completely misread a rule on game 3 and had to redo the whole thing.

I told myself if I did 175+, this would be my last full PT. I may do another tomorrow night, but I'm thinking my time will be better spent doing single sections. We'll see.

[Mikey]

So, after a lot of thought, I've decided to postpone to Dec....


Naaa, I'm just fucking around. So ready for this test, tho.

Starting to get excited. These apps are burning a hole in my pocket.

Yeah, seeing people getting accepted into Duke and UVA so far makes me happy and excited to see where I get it. But the amount of money in my bank account will definitely be lower once all of my apps are in

[appind]

PT 76 this AM.

RC: -3
LR: -4
LG: -0
Exp LR
LR: -1

Raw: 93, Scaled: 174

That first LR was super tough, yeah? Or was it just me? Super happy to have gone -0 on LG, especially since I completely misread a rule on game 3 and had to redo the whole thing.

I told myself if I did 175+, this would be my last full PT. I may do another tomorrow night, but I'm thinking my time will be better spent doing single sections. We'll see.

great work and solid rc. when i originally took this PT for dec'15 test, i'd gone -5 and -2 in LR. i wish this test was completely fresh to me today.

[appind]

Yesterday morning- I had an unreal PT. Absolutely Crushed PT 73 and scored record breaking 177. Went -0 in one LR section. Went savage in RC too going -1. I think there were some questions that definitely just worked out in my favor. Really hope it wasn't a stat outlier because that was nuts. Going to review and drill today. By far my best performance time wise too. Felt very at ease and finished with ~5-6 min left in LR sections and was able to BR during the test, allowing me to fix one question to the right answer and then verify my thoughts on other ones.

I got up at 5 went for a run, showered, pounded some coffee and just was very relaxed and didn't think much about what I was doing and I think that mentality really made a huge difference.

that's beast performance. i did 73 recently and i found it super tough esp the LR. which ones you missed?

i can't figure out how people are able to finish LR or RC with ~5-6 min remaining, i always run so close to the 35 mins.

Me too. That was the first time that I got through the section that swiftly. It was great. Was able to save myself and fix a few questions. In Section 4 LR, I missed #14,21 and 24.

LR1 had some pretty weird questions such as #6 and #22 (salmon). you had no trouble with them?

photography passage (p2) caused me time issues in RC and i missed -2 on that passage alone.

[appind]

what does "in order to" mean in LSAT, a necessary or sufficient condition?


it appears in so many questions, and i have been doing them without knowledge of the above.

Could you give an example of the context?

IIRC the usage i had come across was:

"in order to do X, one should do Y"

That would imply that X requires Y from some moral/judgement standpoint... not like a super strict necessary condition but more of a If X then Y otherwise unjust type deal.

^
If it was "in order to do X, one *must* do Y", then X->Y. Y is necessary, X is sufficient.

yeah, that makes sense.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Yesterday morning- I had an unreal PT. Absolutely Crushed PT 73 and scored record breaking 177. Went -0 in one LR section. Went savage in RC too going -1. I think there were some questions that definitely just worked out in my favor. Really hope it wasn't a stat outlier because that was nuts. Going to review and drill today. By far my best performance time wise too. Felt very at ease and finished with ~5-6 min left in LR sections and was able to BR during the test, allowing me to fix one question to the right answer and then verify my thoughts on other ones.

I got up at 5 went for a run, showered, pounded some coffee and just was very relaxed and didn't think much about what I was doing and I think that mentality really made a huge difference.

that's beast performance. i did 73 recently and i found it super tough esp the LR. which ones you missed?

i can't figure out how people are able to finish LR or RC with ~5-6 min remaining, i always run so close to the 35 mins.

Me too. That was the first time that I got through the section that swiftly. It was great. Was able to save myself and fix a few questions. In Section 4 LR, I missed #14,21 and 24.

LR1 had some pretty weird questions such as #6 and #22 (salmon). you had no trouble with them?

photography passage (p2) caused me time issues in RC and i missed -2 on that passage alone.

I did have trouble with them. 6 and 22 actually were two questions that I saved by coming back in the end and thinking through them. The salmon one my answer made sense but i wasn't 100% sure. Changed it to the correct answer and it made sense but I wasn't 100% confident. I spent prob ~5 min on the salmon one lol so thats why i figured it out

I think this PT was my ideal Setup. I like starting with RC and my LR's were split up and did 2 LG. Starting with RC almost eases me into the test and having to read so closely woke my mind up

[proteinshake]

is it too early to ask who is gonna OP the waiters thread?

requirements: very good at making polls (like amta)

[Mikey]

not it

[appind]

I did have trouble with them. 6 and 22 actually were two questions that I saved by coming back in the end and thinking through them. The salmon one my answer made sense but i wasn't 100% sure. Changed it to the correct answer and it made sense but I wasn't 100% confident. I spent prob ~5 min on the salmon one lol so thats why i figured it out

[+] Spoiler

how do you understand 6? still not sure why the credited answer is correct and another one wrong.
i think "in this case resulting film is funny" sorta of supports that it's funny due to stylistic portrayals. that's what led me to pick C. this one i really weird because the right answer has an issue that can by itself be a classic flaw question: "a film is successful doesn't mean that it's criticism for not being realistic is misguided"

[Rupert Pupkin]

I did have trouble with them. 6 and 22 actually were two questions that I saved by coming back in the end and thinking through them. The salmon one my answer made sense but i wasn't 100% sure. Changed it to the correct answer and it made sense but I wasn't 100% confident. I spent prob ~5 min on the salmon one lol so thats why i figured it out

[+] Spoiler

how do you understand 6? still not sure why the credited answer is correct and another one wrong.
i think "in this case resulting film is funny" sorta of supports that it's funny due to stylistic portrayals. that's what led me to pick C. this one i really weird because the right answer has an issue that can by itself be a classic flaw question: "a film is successful doesn't mean that it's criticism for not being realistic is misguided"

[+] Spoiler

I got this answer by process of elimination and i did that twice and D was the only one that made sense. but, in the end I did able to make sense of D when i came back in the end. C is distracting and seems right because of that sentence mentioning that the result is funny, but think of that sentence just as a side note that the author said and since its not a major point in the argument justifying that wouldn't affect the arguments STR/Validity. When D was the last answer choice available when i did POE, it made sense because if you look at the argument its saying that people say its not realistic and while that is true at face value, it is what makes the mmovie unique (those unique movies can be considered their own class aka Genre). The next sentence further expands upon that and says that it could be an issue in certain films but in this one it was funny and thats what is important. I didnt read it as being funny is important from their stylistic setup, but rather that they were just getting at the film being successful and of course comedies have to be funny--no formula on how to achieve that. I think the trick is to not take realism and associate that they didn;t thik it was funnny. Thats an inference that is too Out of scope to make. The word genre in D threw me off at first and then I realized all D is saying is that for a Film to be successful it just has to be good in that class of films. I thought of the movie spacce balls and I was like some ppl are going to say that movie is stupid and some love it. Even if you hate it you cant deny its not a succcessful slap-stick movei. Another issue with C is "in their stylistic portrays" is too specific because not all comedys are going to be funny just off that basis. In other words there are different approaches that a director can take to make it funny. If didnt say the movie was just a "comedy" and it had a more specific genre this could have been the correct answer. For example you have cartoon comedies all the way to Austin powers (real ppl) comedy. And the actions/plot are what makes each movie funny in combo with the stylistic setup. Hope that helps you

[34iplaw]

I don't know why, but that third passage in June 2015 seemed just really... I dunno... rough... even though it didn't say much. About to do the last passage and score it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

So, after a lot of thought, I've decided to postpone to Dec....


Naaa, I'm just fucking around. So ready for this test, tho.

Starting to get excited. These apps are burning a hole in my pocket.

Yeah, seeing people getting accepted into Duke and UVA so far makes me happy and excited to see where I get it. But the amount of money in my bank account will definitely be lower once all of my apps are in

Just think of those paychecks once we graduate.... *rubs hands*

[darthrevan92]

Noticed alot of 170 scorers on the thread. Can anyone explain question 24 on the first LR section of PT 76