The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[etramak]

Will you guys be waking up early for the Saturday prep tests? I've heard people advise this but I don't want to ruin Friday night for the next 12 weeks.

do you want to ruin a 170?

No I already did that yesterday would really rather avoid doing it again. Guess I'll be waking up at 6 starting July 2nd .

[34iplaw]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

[Giro423]

Does anyone know where I can find Powerscore's virtual proctor dvd (or similar)?

[Pozzo]

Does anyone know where I can find Powerscore's virtual proctor dvd (or similar)?

If you're not set on a DVD, I recommend the 7sage app. It has a built in proctor with ambient noise and all that jazz.

[34iplaw]

Does anyone know where I can find Powerscore's virtual proctor dvd (or similar)?

https://vimeo.com/81403147

I think that is it?

There are some [there's a phone app I think too] that reads instructions and you can insert extra noise. I thought of that...thought it was genius...then found out it exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIz1yd5r8nU

This one seems pretty good for what you'd be looking for.

[Barack O'Drama]

Will you guys be waking up early for the Saturday prep tests? I've heard people advise this but I don't want to ruin Friday night for the next 12 weeks.

do you want to ruin a 170?

Damn, you said it amta. I will also be waking up early!

[Barack O'Drama]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

[proteinshake]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

I agree that the Trainer alone is not sufficient for LG. it's a good prerequisite for the Bible/Manhattan.

[Barack O'Drama]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

I agree that the Trainer alone is not sufficient for LG. it's a good prerequisite for the Bible/Manhattan.

Ok good! I was worried I just suck at the LG. And I probably do, but still haha. Time to hit the Bibles after I finish the Trainer.

[20170322]

Anyone else notice that, as they get to the last game or two in LG, they make sloppy mistakes?

For the past few days, every mistake has been something glaringly obvious, like miswriting a rule or not reading part of the question.

[proteinshake]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

I agree that the Trainer alone is not sufficient for LG. it's a good prerequisite for the Bible/Manhattan.

Ok good! I was worried I just suck at the LG. And I probably do, but still haha. Time to hit the Bibles after I finish the Trainer.

yeah I wouldn't do any heavy LG (and to a lesser extent, LR) drilling until you get the the Bibles/Manhattan!

[Pozzo]

Anyone else notice that, as they get to the last game or two in LG, they make sloppy mistakes?

For the past few days, every mistake has been something glaringly obvious, like miswriting a rule or not reading part of the question.

Yup.

[chicharon]

Does anyone know where I can find Powerscore's virtual proctor dvd (or similar)?

The only DVD proctor I know of is Simugator's.

[YupSports]

Decided I'm going to do one full length PT every Saturday until the actual exam. That way, the real test will feel like another PT.

This is my plan of attack as well, alone with some very thorough review.

[34iplaw]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

Yeah - the LSAT Trainer served as a sort of good introduction to games, but I didn't really find it overly helpful... that could just be me though. I learn things much better when I look over them a second time. PowerScore Bible has really helped. I haven't had a game where [absent time restraints] that I can't answer every question with 100% certainty and accuracy. Occasionally, some overwhelm me and I need to take a step back. Obv, there is the critical speed component, but I feel that I have a very solid foundation from it.

I just drilled the first 8 games [basic linear ones] in the Cambridge Packets today... I want to be doing them faster. 6/8 I did in 5-6 minutes, but one took 7 minutes + time for a question that was super easy but just didn't click for some reason and another took me 10 minutes for some bizarre reason. Then again, it's my first day drilling. In those games, I got -2 between the eight games [-5 if I count any questions that took me over 7.5-8.5 min/game] and -0 during BR.

With those games, I'm just sort of struggling with how much information is actually worth putting down. I feel like they suggest to write out all the possible outcomes for those, but, when the solution set is that limited, I generally have a very solid idea of those outcomes in my head. I'll have to maybe compare and contrast timing with different amounts I write... I want to be doing that first group of games in the packets within 5 minutes I think.

[34iplaw]

Anyone else notice that, as they get to the last game or two in LG, they make sloppy mistakes?

For the past few days, every mistake has been something glaringly obvious, like miswriting a rule or not reading part of the question.

I've found most of the mistakes, at this point, I make in LG are stupid... like really stupid and sloppy. I've had ones where I accidentally made 7 slots instead of 6...really...stupid...stuff.

[proteinshake]

I've found the most important thing in LG is to not prematurely dive into the questions without knowing whether or not the game is front-end (lot of inferences in the beginning) or back-end (not many inferences in the beginning). most of the times I struggle with a game, it's because I didn't get all the inferences in the beginning.

also, I'm glad Manhattan puts hard practice problems in their prep books. it makes the Cambridge packs seem easy.

[jdealla]

I've found most of the mistakes, at this point, I make in LG are stupid... like really stupid and sloppy. I've had ones where I accidentally made 7 slots instead of 6...really...stupid...stuff.

+1 to this. I've read most of the Trainer and PS LG Bible and I'm consistently finishing around target times (from 7sage) but with -2 or -1 on very subtle/stupid mistakes, either reading the question wrong or reading an answer wrong. If anyone has any thoughts on how they overcame this, I'm all ears.

[proteinshake]

how many games do you drill after an LG chapter? I just did 6 after the complex/3D ordering chapter and will do a few more tomorrow, so probably around 10 games.

[Barack O'Drama]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

I agree that the Trainer alone is not sufficient for LG. it's a good prerequisite for the Bible/Manhattan.

Ok good! I was worried I just suck at the LG. And I probably do, but still haha. Time to hit the Bibles after I finish the Trainer.

yeah I wouldn't do any heavy LG (and to a lesser extent, LR) drilling until you get the the Bibles/Manhattan!

Thanks Proteinshake--I'm glad to know i'm at least on the right path. The Trainer has been really helpful, but I think I will feel a lot better once I go through the bibles and Manhattan!

[Barack O'Drama]

feels weird going through Manhattan LG so fast. it literally took me forever just to read one chapter in the Trainer, so much text on 1 page.

LSAT Trainer is really dense. After finishing the second logic games section, I switched to the PowerScore Bible. I was shocked at how fast I went through it. I went back to the LSAT trainer to just do some light reading [will re-read] when I woke up this morning but didn't feel like moving...and it was a less than pleasant experience initially.

LG is the one thing in the Trainer that I'm not finding as helpful as I expected. Granted, I literally just started LGs, but I feel like it doesn't do as much explaining in how to actually do the questions. And it is really dense! I really love the Trainer thus far, so hopefully it gets more helpful. I'm hoping the LG Bible will explain the steps better. Perhaps the Trainer will be more useful once I read the bibles?

Yeah - the LSAT Trainer served as a sort of good introduction to games, but I didn't really find it overly helpful... that could just be me though. I learn things much better when I look over them a second time. PowerScore Bible has really helped. I haven't had a game where [absent time restraints] that I can't answer every question with 100% certainty and accuracy. Occasionally, some overwhelm me and I need to take a step back. Obv, there is the critical speed component, but I feel that I have a very solid foundation from it.

I just drilled the first 8 games [basic linear ones] in the Cambridge Packets today... I want to be doing them faster. 6/8 I did in 5-6 minutes, but one took 7 minutes + time for a question that was super easy but just didn't click for some reason and another took me 10 minutes for some bizarre reason. Then again, it's my first day drilling. In those games, I got -2 between the eight games [-5 if I count any questions that took me over 7.5-8.5 min/game] and -0 during BR.

With those games, I'm just sort of struggling with how much information is actually worth putting down. I feel like they suggest to write out all the possible outcomes for those, but, when the solution set is that limited, I generally have a very solid idea of those outcomes in my head. I'll have to maybe compare and contrast timing with different amounts I write... I want to be doing that first group of games in the packets within 5 minutes I think.

I just started going through the bible today and I like how it is giving me a step-by-step process. I'm glad to hear it helped you and I am hoping it will do the same for me when I get through it. I can't wait until I can start drilling through the Cambridge packets and getting things down to just a matter of timing. Congrats on your results! How long did it take you to go through the bible properly?

[usaorbust]

Two quick questions:

Since I don't have the Cambridge LG by type PDF, I've seen some people suggest using the powerscore by types books instead, is this a solid alternative or is there a better way to drill for LG?

Second, is it wise for me to start drilling, not taking PTs, when I am not sure when I'm taking the test yet? I'm an incoming junior and would like to be prepared as possible for the LSAT, but I also don't want to burn through drilling material early- as in worst case scenario I have to retake more than once and by then I've used up most of my prep.

I've been through most of the tarainer and I'm working through Manhattan LR and LGB now and it seems like I should be supplementing with drilling.

[Giro423]

Thanks for all the advice, I'll try the apps.

[Barack O'Drama]

Two quick questions:

Since I don't have the Cambridge LG by type PDF, I've seen some people suggest using the powerscore by types books instead, is this a solid alternative or is there a better way to drill for LG?

Second, is it wise for me to start drilling, not taking PTs, when I am not sure when I'm taking the test yet? I'm an incoming junior and would like to be prepared as possible for the LSAT, but I also don't want to burn through drilling material early- as in worst case scenario I have to retake more than once and by then I've used up most of my prep.

I've been through most of the tarainer and I'm working through Manhattan LR and LGB now and it seems like I should be supplementing with drilling.

When do you think you'll be taking it?

I feel like if you're learning LG/LR it is really hard to improve, assess, and instill the knowledge without drilling of some sort. I am using the Cambridge packets, so I don't know about the Powerscore by type books, but I know of several people who said they worked. I think as long as you are doing real LSAT questions, you can't go wrong--especially when they are conveniently by type.

[momoyome]

Retaking after the June test. What do you guys think about starting up my study again on Monday? Is taking these few days off good, bad, etc? I feel like I've lost my personality the last few months and I kind of wanted to be me again.