The Official September 2014 Study Group Forum

[sfoglia]

Hey guys! Thanks for the well wishes it means a lot.

I mean I still feel like shit but it's the thought that counts.

Didn't PT or study at all this weekend because 0 energy. But I really want to congratulate sfogs because that 174 was hard earned, and I know somewhere Ryan Gosling is proud.

Aww, thank you, Grey. I hope you feel better soon. I'm so sorry that you are sick.

[rebexness]

Just got this email from my old school.

That should be good study motivation.

[lurj]

Has anyone used The LSAT trainer as a study tool? I've been using it for my september retake and for the first time ever I got a -1 on both LR combined (pt62). I seriously cannot recommend this book enough for a retaker. Can't really comment on how effective it is as a primary studying tool but its seriously amazing if you already have the foundation.

[PeanutsNJam]

I totally understand sfogs' I-need-175+ mentality. GPA can't be changed. LSAT scores can. If I had a GPA high enough for HYS, I'd do everything in my power to get a LSAT score above median. Sure, she can probably get a clerkship or whatever at CCN, but why settle for anything less than all you can be. Some of us are locked out of T3 or T6 because of our GPA; she isn't. Go for the gold. Or go for the full scholly T14/partial scholly T6.

[some1uknown]

Need a little bit of advice, my LR is kind of all over the place, sometimes i'll get -3 per section and other times i'll get -9. Any ideas on how to even it out to getting a more consistent score, preferably on the higher end of the scoring side.

[BJS]

I totally understand sfogs' I-need-175+ mentality. GPA can't be changed. LSAT scores can. If I had a GPA high enough for HYS, I'd do everything in my power to get a LSAT score above median. Sure, she can probably get a clerkship or whatever at CCN, but why settle for anything less than all you can be. Some of us are locked out of T3 or T6 because of our GPA; she isn't. Go for the gold. Or go for the full scholly T14/partial scholly T6.

The deal with HY is that they only give need-based aid, so if you have HY numbers your COA there will be much higher than your COA at CCN. Yes, HYS have superior employment scores, but for the typical applicant they aren't that significant versus the COA difference. Certainly we should gun for highest LSAT possible, but I don't think sfogs should be hard on herself for scoring, like, a 172. That's still freaking awesome. I would die for a 172 on the real thing.

[BillPackets]

Need a little bit of advice, my LR is kind of all over the place, sometimes i'll get -3 per section and other times i'll get -9. Any ideas on how to even it out to getting a more consistent score, preferably on the higher end of the scoring side.

1) review 2) drill 3) review 4) review

[PeanutsNJam]

I totally understand sfogs' I-need-175+ mentality. GPA can't be changed. LSAT scores can. If I had a GPA high enough for HYS, I'd do everything in my power to get a LSAT score above median. Sure, she can probably get a clerkship or whatever at CCN, but why settle for anything less than all you can be. Some of us are locked out of T3 or T6 because of our GPA; she isn't. Go for the gold. Or go for the full scholly T14/partial scholly T6.

The deal with HY is that they only give need-based aid, so if you have HY numbers your COA there will be much higher than your COA at CCN. Yes, HYS have superior employment scores, but for the typical applicant they aren't that significant versus the COA difference. Certainly we should gun for highest LSAT possible, but I don't think sfogs should be hard on herself for scoring, like, a 172. That's still freaking awesome. I would die for a 172 on the real thing.

You're making me feel stupid for retaking a 170. But I'm thinking why not, I'm pretty sure I can score at least a couple points higher, and a 173 is much, much better than a 170, right? I would be happy with a 172+ but I'm really expecting a 175+ out of myself.

[BillPackets]

What's yr GPA pnj

[BillPackets]

PartyCam

R u k-JD?

Why do you ask Bill?

Just curious every1 ITT has said what point they r at i.e. W/E n such just curious bout u

[PeanutsNJam]

2.4

Some guy on TLS is at northwestern with the same numbers, and got into a bunch of t25 schools with full or 3/4 scholly. So I'm hoping to do that or better. A lot of people say any higher than a 170 won't make a difference since I'm locked out of T6 and at T7-14, 170 is pretty much 75% median. So any higher won't matter. Idk though, wouldn't I get a better shot at nw with a 175 than a 170?

[BillPackets]

2.4

Some guy on TLS is at northwestern with the same numbers, and got into a bunch of t25 schools with full or 3/4 scholly. So I'm hoping to do that or better.

Ok retaking a 170 at 2.4 is more understandable than some others who retake 170s

[BJS]

I totally understand sfogs' I-need-175+ mentality. GPA can't be changed. LSAT scores can. If I had a GPA high enough for HYS, I'd do everything in my power to get a LSAT score above median. Sure, she can probably get a clerkship or whatever at CCN, but why settle for anything less than all you can be. Some of us are locked out of T3 or T6 because of our GPA; she isn't. Go for the gold. Or go for the full scholly T14/partial scholly T6.

The deal with HY is that they only give need-based aid, so if you have HY numbers your COA there will be much higher than your COA at CCN. Yes, HYS have superior employment scores, but for the typical applicant they aren't that significant versus the COA difference. Certainly we should gun for highest LSAT possible, but I don't think sfogs should be hard on herself for scoring, like, a 172. That's still freaking awesome. I would die for a 172 on the real thing.

You're making me feel stupid for retaking a 170. But I'm thinking why not, I'm pretty sure I can score at least a couple points higher, and a 173 is much, much better than a 170, right? I would be happy with a 172+ but I'm really expecting a 175+ out of myself.

I mean I'll retake a 170 in December if I get it because my averages say I can hit above that. But by Thanksgiving I would apply to schools that a 170 is sufficient for - looking at myLSN, probably Chicago + NYU and below. Retaking and getting a higher score in December would give me a boost in scholarships and getting off any waitlists, plus the chance at Harvard and Columbia.

Mainly, though, I don't want to skip next week (unless my PT averages are below my minimum target) because then I'd really only have one shot at the LSAT for c/o 2018 - December - and I'm all in for c/o 2018. Btw, I think Sfogs's situation is very different because she's willing to sit out for c/o 2019. It's really all a personalized determination based on the balancing acts of GPA/LSAT/myLSN and personal goals and requirements.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

2.4

Some guy on TLS is at northwestern with the same numbers, and got into a bunch of t25 schools with full or 3/4 scholly. So I'm hoping to do that or better. A lot of people say any higher than a 170 won't make a difference since I'm locked out of T6 and at T7-14, 170 is pretty much 75% median. So any higher won't matter. Idk though, wouldn't I get a better shot at nw with a 175 than a 170?

Yea you would for this reason. If 170 is 75th at NW your 170 keeps it the same anything over helps raise it. But the difference between a 171 and 175 is minimal.

[BillPackets]

Cue outrage from k-JDers n HYS gunners

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Cue outrage from k-JDers n HYS gunners

180

[Learn_Live_Hope]

I totally understand sfogs' I-need-175+ mentality. GPA can't be changed. LSAT scores can. If I had a GPA high enough for HYS, I'd do everything in my power to get a LSAT score above median. Sure, she can probably get a clerkship or whatever at CCN, but why settle for anything less than all you can be. Some of us are locked out of T3 or T6 because of our GPA; she isn't. Go for the gold. Or go for the full scholly T14/partial scholly T6.

The deal with HY is that they only give need-based aid, so if you have HY numbers your COA there will be much higher than your COA at CCN. Yes, HYS have superior employment scores, but for the typical applicant they aren't that significant versus the COA difference. Certainly we should gun for highest LSAT possible, but I don't think sfogs should be hard on herself for scoring, like, a 172. That's still freaking awesome. I would die for a 172 on the real thing.

You're making me feel stupid for retaking a 170. But I'm thinking why not, I'm pretty sure I can score at least a couple points higher, and a 173 is much, much better than a 170, right? I would be happy with a 172+ but I'm really expecting a 175+ out of myself.

I mean I'll retake a 170 in December if I get it because my averages say I can hit above that. But by Thanksgiving I would apply to schools that a 170 is sufficient for - looking at myLSN, probably Chicago + NYU and below. Retaking and getting a higher score in December would give me a boost in scholarships and getting off any waitlists, plus the chance at Harvard and Columbia.

Mainly, though, I don't want to skip next week (unless my PT averages are below my minimum target) because then I'd really only have one shot at the LSAT for c/o 2018 - December - and I'm all in for c/o 2018. Btw, I think Sfogs's situation is very different because she's willing to sit out for c/o 2019. It's really all a personalized determination based on the balancing acts of GPA/LSAT/myLSN and personal goals and requirements.

Not really. You still have multiple shots at LSAT even with December, because you can still apply with the December score, and then just update it with a February score. If needed you can take it in June again for scholarship purposes.

Dont count yourself out that easily.

Have some faith, and fight for it.

[BillPackets]

PartyCam

R u k-JD?

Why do you ask Bill?

Just curious every1 ITT has said what point they r at i.e. W/E n such just curious bout u

QFLLH

[Colonel_funkadunk]

QFLLH

[Learn_Live_Hope]

QFLLH

All of you need to stop using abbreviations, because I can barely follow.

[BillPackets]

QFLLH

All of you need to stop using abbreviations, because I can barely follow.

QFLLH= Quoted For Learn_Live_Hope

[BJS]

Not really. You still have multiple shots at LSAT even with December, because you can still apply with the December score, and then just update it with a February score. If needed you can take it in June again for scholarship purposes.

Dont count yourself out that easily.

Have some faith, and fight for it.

LLH! Your positivism is infectious! I actually feel solid with Sept and Dec as a retake backup. I also think Dec and Feb as a backup is more risky unless I'm not averaging my minimum target score.

[Hand]

Just got this email from my old school.

"thanks for the support guys!"

[Hand]

168 on PT 68 this morning.

RC -3
LR -3
LR -3
LG -5

I freaked out over my RC score considering my average is -8! Drilling RC does help, guys!

Anyone else taking 72 this week?

Not taking 72 again (you took it for real in june as well right?), but I do plan on doing the games of that at some point.

Yup I did, what's your reasoning for not taking it again?

I remember enough of it to feel like it's not worth doing the whole thing -- doing it won't require the same level of focus as doing a fresh test, and forcing myself to stay concentrated for a few hours is really what I'm doing PTs for at this point. In addition I can only PT over the weekend, and I still have a few fresh tests left, so that seems a better way to spend my time.

[hetookmetoamovie]

Morning, fellas. Haven't been able to sleep well for a week, and I feel like death right now. Hope y'all are managing your stress better than I am!

I was happy (giddy) to discover ~60 more flaw Qs that I haven't done yet, so that's what's up for the next lil bit!

Nice block and TD yesterday, BillsTar.