The Official December 2017 Study Group Forum

[AvatarMeelo]

FALLLSEEE: Lilwing exclusively does pickleback (sp?) shots!!!

Oh how I miss undergrad lol

to be fair, we discovered these after undergrad

[littlewing67]

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[kiklavan]

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

[etramak]

Re-took PT10 RC today. Did well but damn I still think that is one of the hardest sets of passages.

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Assuming ~ means "not," then the second one is right.

[kiklavan]

Re-took PT10 RC today. Did well but damn I still think that is one of the hardest sets of passages.

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Assuming ~ means "not," then the second one is right.

Thank you!!!

[AvatarMeelo]

Re-took PT10 RC today. Did well but damn I still think that is one of the hardest sets of passages.

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Assuming ~ means "not," then the second one is right.

Thank you!!!

The way I usually read those statements is (A -> B and C)... b/c if A happened then we know B AND C must have happened to even give A that option. And the second one is the contrapositive. Negate and flip the "and" to an "or" (right?)

[MercW07]

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Your second one is right, but its the contrapositive of what I would have got. Heres how I did it fwiw:

When you see the word unless think "negate sufficient", so negate one of the 2 ideas and make it the sufficient condition. Instead of messing with the negation of "B and C" (which you did correctly btw) I find it easier to just negate the "not A." When you negate a "not" statement you just drop the not and change this unless to a then. So when you negate the "not A" you simply end up with something that reads "If A then B and C" which translated looks like (A----> B and C) and of course the contrapositive of this is your second answer.

[saffles]

Re-took PT10 RC today. Did well but damn I still think that is one of the hardest sets of passages.

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Assuming ~ means "not," then the second one is right.

Thank you!!!

The way I usually read those statements is (A -> B and C)... b/c if A happened then we know B AND C must have happened to even give A that option. And the second one is the contrapositive. Negate and flip the "and" to an "or" (right?)

Yeah,

"You can't drive unless you're 16." Drive -> 16 and up

[AvatarMeelo]

Advice for tackling abstract answer choices? I’m finding that I’m usually confuzzled when I don’t get what the answer choice is saying even if I understand the argument. Is this something that just comes with practice?

[saffles]

Advice for tackling abstract answer choices? I’m finding that I’m usually confuzzled when I don’t get what the answer choice is saying even if I understand the argument. Is this something that just comes with practice?

Are those types still relevant? I thought they did away with them after the 60-something test...when LSAT trainer briefly went over that it said to just have a clear answer already and just compare your expected answer with the answer choices.

[Rupert Pupkin]

What is the best way to review RC?

I just kinda look at the question again and try to find support in the passage to justify the right answer or a train of thought if its an inference q, but idk if this helps my RC skill effectively. I just am able to decipher the right answer to the question.

[PhiladelphiaCollins]

Haven't taken a full length PT in 3 weeks....fuuuuck these applications

[AvatarMeelo]

Advice for tackling abstract answer choices? I’m finding that I’m usually confuzzled when I don’t get what the answer choice is saying even if I understand the argument. Is this something that just comes with practice?

Are those types still relevant? I thought they did away with them after the 60-something test...when LSAT trainer briefly went over that it said to just have a clear answer already and just compare your expected answer with the answer choices.

Ahhh didn’t know that. I’ve been drilling with questions from 1-49 so the abstract shit annoys me. I usually have an expected answer but annoying to match up with what’s there.

[AvatarMeelo]

Just wanna rant that I hate the MTA and it’s ability to turn a 45min ride into a ride nearly 2 hours. My sleep deprived ass could’ve been in bed but no here I am on a noisy and crowded train just chilling.

[kiklavan]

Re-took PT10 RC today. Did well but damn I still think that is one of the hardest sets of passages.

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Assuming ~ means "not," then the second one is right.

Thank you!!!

The way I usually read those statements is (A -> B and C)... b/c if A happened then we know B AND C must have happened to even give A that option. And the second one is the contrapositive. Negate and flip the "and" to an "or" (right?)

Helpful. Thanks for this!

[kiklavan]

What is the best way to review RC?

I just kinda look at the question again and try to find support in the passage to justify the right answer or a train of thought if its an inference q, but idk if this helps my RC skill effectively. I just am able to decipher the right answer to the question.

Doing this felt completely ineffective but over time worked for me. I'd write the question # by the place in the passage where I found the answer.

[kiklavan]

Dumb question, but can someone answer it for me anyway?

A will not happen unless B and C happen.

Is that (~B and ~C --> ~A) or (~B or ~C --> ~A)

Your second one is right, but its the contrapositive of what I would have got. Heres how I did it fwiw:

When you see the word unless think "negate sufficient", so negate one of the 2 ideas and make it the sufficient condition. Instead of messing with the negation of "B and C" (which you did correctly btw) I find it easier to just negate the "not A." When you negate a "not" statement you just drop the not and change this unless to a then. So when you negate the "not A" you simply end up with something that reads "If A then B and C" which translated looks like (A----> B and C) and of course the contrapositive of this is your second answer.

Also helpful. Thank you!

[PrezRand]

Any advice on how to improve on LR and go over missed questions?

[saffles]

Just wanna rant that I hate the MTA and it’s ability to turn a 45min ride into a ride nearly 2 hours. My sleep deprived ass could’ve been in bed but no here I am on a noisy and crowded train just chilling.

That's how I can appreciate the LIRR so much =w=

[saffles]

Any advice on how to improve on LR and go over missed questions?

As someone who only used the LSAT Trainer before, I found that going through the chapters of Manhattan LR guide on the question types I suck at has helped me dramatically in my elimination and assumption skills. Are you struggling with specific question types? Timing?

[Rupert Pupkin]

What is the best way to review RC?

I just kinda look at the question again and try to find support in the passage to justify the right answer or a train of thought if its an inference q, but idk if this helps my RC skill effectively. I just am able to decipher the right answer to the question.

Doing this felt completely ineffective but over time worked for me. I'd write the question # by the place in the passage where I found the answer.

Ok cool. This is how I feel rn but hoping ill just see the progress in consistency!

[littlewing67]

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[Rupert Pupkin]

What is the best way to review RC?

I just kinda look at the question again and try to find support in the passage to justify the right answer or a train of thought if its an inference q, but idk if this helps my RC skill effectively. I just am able to decipher the right answer to the question.

Doing this felt completely ineffective but over time worked for me. I'd write the question # by the place in the passage where I found the answer.

Ok cool. This is how I feel rn but hoping ill just see the progress in consistency!

What I've been doing lately, is during my review I have a couple different highlighter colors, and while going through the questions /BR I try to highlight the exact place in the text that supports my answer, so I know I am going off the text 100%. I do each question in a different color just to distinguish them.

THanks! Ive do this, but I just need to be more disciplined with my review of RC haha and do this all the time

[kkilambi]

I observed that I am not able to score less than 3 incorrect questions in timed LR sections, any way I can keep improving my scores? How do people keep getting perfect scores on LR?

[peege]

Tips on how to get into a conducive mindset after a day at work for studying? And none of that “lol just force it” dictum - I’m a “matter influences the mind” sort of person.

Weekday evenings after work are THE LAST time I want to study, but I know that this hesitation is holding back my ability to study significantly.

Hey I came across this and didn't know if anyone responded! I, too, have to study after working then going to class. I had to find a place outside my house, like the library. I usually get a coffee and snack and park in a garage that forces me to stay until a certain time so I don't have to pay. I also set goals for what I have to get done in that session and it keeps me on track.