The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[Ira Hayes]

Decided to do timed drilling today. Went -0 on 2 LR sections, -3 on a LG section and -7 on RC. Still gloom about RC, but I've heard the Trainer works wonders so I ordered that today.

[ugatvandy]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

[HesusChrist]

Hit PT 54 today, scored 171, BR 180. Didn't warm up and I noticed it. Could not get any kind of flow going until the fourth section. I need to start bridging the gap between BR and actual scores. Largest issue right now is consistency and making small mistakes. I mistranslated a rule on LGs and lost 3 points.

PT 54 171: LG(E): -0, RC1: -3, LR2: -3, LG3: -3, LR4: -0

[abujabal]

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For LR, absolutely slow down and improve your accuracy. Not point in speeding through a section if you get three or four wrong; you get rewarded for correct answers, not finishing under time. I probably would not PT again today, maybe do some a practice LR sections and work on getting your timing right, spending more time on those difficult questions you may miss, and finishing with under a minute to go. Get that down and you could hit 170+ on your next PT.

Took this advice to an extent - did 2 LRs (PT 4.4 and PT 5.1) with a slower pace than I normally go. Still finished with at least 3-4 minutes to spare, and went -4 on both of them, which is good considering my average has been something around -6 to -7 in previous sections. Also did an RC section (4.2) to pump my confidence back up to normal levels on that - did a -0 in 28:50, so that's boosted morale. Doubtful that I'll be able to cut 6 minutes off the section once the difficult starts increasing in the later PTs (I'm drilling in the PT<30, and PTing in the >40s). Considered doing another RC or LG section, but then decided that I was (A) tired, and (B) needed to organize my house a bit given the random PTs and score sheets that are lying around the place.

I think depending on how my workday goes tomorrow, I'll either hit another couple of LRs, another 2 chapters in the trainer, or some combo of the two. Looking at another PT for Tuesday in that case, just because my upcoming weekend is shot to hell.

Thanks for the insight!

[PrezRand]

finally fixed my sleep schedule. let's get it>>>

[Mikey]

Hit PT 54 today, scored 171, BR 180. Didn't warm up and I noticed it. Could not get any kind of flow going until the fourth section. I need to start bridging the gap between BR and actual scores. Largest issue right now is consistency and making small mistakes. I mistranslated a rule on LGs and lost 3 points.

PT 54 171: LG(E): -0, RC1: -3, LR2: -3, LG3: -3, LR4: -0

I'm doing 54 tomorrow. most likely will not be as good as your score though lmao

[abujabal]

Hit PT 54 today, scored 171, BR 180. Didn't warm up and I noticed it. Could not get any kind of flow going until the fourth section. I need to start bridging the gap between BR and actual scores. Largest issue right now is consistency and making small mistakes. I mistranslated a rule on LGs and lost 3 points.

PT 54 171: LG(E): -0, RC1: -3, LR2: -3, LG3: -3, LR4: -0

I'm doing 54 tomorrow. most likely will not be as good as your score though lmao

ayyy me too on both counts

[meemaw]

Drilled 2 LG sections yesterday. Went -1 on the first one and -2 on the second. I'm pretty happy! This is my first official week moving on from Powerscore and actually getting the practice in. I finished each in 35 min but my goal is to shave off about 1-3 minutes since I find myself frantic towards the end. When reviewing my wrong choices, the right one jumped out at me so I think its timer anxiety.

The RC drills I did last week were similar scoring so I'm feeling more optimistic about actually being ready for September. I haven't drilled any LR though so that is a pretty big variable as well as the endurance aspect. I have more motivation to study at the beginning of the week but I'm hoping I can get the stamina to hold a steady study schedule while working full time. Hopefully I can find time for a full PT so I can get a better sense of the work I have left to do.

Goals this week: sticking to a study schedule, taking full PTs, and printing off more drills

[lurksoh4rd]

I just finished the LGB too! However I cannot finish in timed conditions unless they're easy games...would y'all recommend drilling questions that are difficult for me in untimed for a little then trying timed again?

[Mikey]

I just finished the LGB too! However I cannot finish in timed conditions unless they're easy games...would y'all recommend drilling questions that are difficult for me in untimed for a little then trying timed again?

Yes

[Csupo]

Do people think it's fine to start fool proofing LG without having gone through the LGB? I'm just using the 7sage methods, and it seems to be working fine. I started using the LGB a month ago but found 7sage more intuitive. Now that I'm starting to fool proof, I fear that I may have missed some important info from the LGB. What are people's thoughts?

EDIT: Basically, are there certain game types that the LGB explains better than 7sage?

[dm1683]

God after feeling so confident walking out two weeks ago I am gonna be so pissed if I have to join this thread...

not that you all aren't wonderful human beings ofc.

[HesusChrist]

Do people think it's fine to start fool proofing LG without having gone through the LGB? I'm just using the 7sage methods, and it seems to be working fine. I started using the LGB a month ago but found 7sage more intuitive. Now that I'm starting to fool proof, I fear that I may have missed some important info from the LGB. What are people's thoughts?

EDIT: Basically, are there certain game types that the LGB explains better than 7sage?

I don't think the LGB has much to offer that 7Sage does not. The quantitative / formal logic is slightly more in depth, more so than is necessary, I think. Many people migrate from the LGB to 7sage because it is faster and more intuitive. I've heard the a LGB rewrite is underway to modernize a few of its methods. LGB sequencing and in/out grouping game approach is seriously inferior to 7Sage.

Drilled Sequencing and LG today. Planning a PT tomorrow. If any wants to do a BR afterwards, let me know and we can choose a PT.

[meemaw]

Feeling pretty down about my PT 29 drilling. I got -5 on both the RC and the LR. Either the old school PTs are harder, I'm not used to drilling after work on a weekday, or my other drill scores were just a fluke. I will finish PT 29 LG and other LR tomorrow before work and see what happens

[Csupo]

Do people think it's fine to start fool proofing LG without having gone through the LGB? I'm just using the 7sage methods, and it seems to be working fine. I started using the LGB a month ago but found 7sage more intuitive. Now that I'm starting to fool proof, I fear that I may have missed some important info from the LGB. What are people's thoughts?

EDIT: Basically, are there certain game types that the LGB explains better than 7sage?

I don't think the LGB has much to offer that 7Sage does not. The quantitative / formal logic is slightly more in depth, more so than is necessary, I think. Many people migrate from the LGB to 7sage because it is faster and more intuitive. I've heard the a LGB rewrite is underway to modernize a few of its methods. LGB sequencing and in/out grouping game approach is seriously inferior to 7Sage.

Drilled Sequencing and LG today. Planning a PT tomorrow. If any wants to do a BR afterwards, let me know and we can choose a PT.

Good to know, thanks for the assurance!

[abujabal]

Do people think it's fine to start fool proofing LG without having gone through the LGB? I'm just using the 7sage methods, and it seems to be working fine. I started using the LGB a month ago but found 7sage more intuitive. Now that I'm starting to fool proof, I fear that I may have missed some important info from the LGB. What are people's thoughts?

EDIT: Basically, are there certain game types that the LGB explains better than 7sage?

I don't think the LGB has much to offer that 7Sage does not. The quantitative / formal logic is slightly more in depth, more so than is necessary, I think. Many people migrate from the LGB to 7sage because it is faster and more intuitive. I've heard the a LGB rewrite is underway to modernize a few of its methods. LGB sequencing and in/out grouping game approach is seriously inferior to 7Sage.

Drilled Sequencing and LG today. Planning a PT tomorrow. If any wants to do a BR afterwards, let me know and we can choose a PT.

Down to do a PT BR with you tomorrow - 55?

[Mikey]

ugh PT54 here in a bit

[conker]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

Yes. I've been where you are. Print off the RC sections of 4–5 PTs, creating an "RC PT." Take one or two of those RC PTs. This will get your mind wrapped up in RC, at least. If you do not see any gains then, look at a fundamentals book, such as PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension. Get your fundamentals down. Go back and take a second or third RC PT. You should see improvements as you rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be. Once you get to where you want to be, start taking regular PTs again.

[QueenBAYder]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

Yes. I've been where you are. Print off the RC sections of 4–5 PTs, creating an "RC PT." Take one or two of those RC PTs. This will get your mind wrapped up in RC, at least. If you do not see any gains then, look at a fundamentals book, such as PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension. Get your fundamentals down. Go back and take a second or third RC PT. You should see improvements as you rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be. Once you get to where you want to be, start taking regular PTs again.

Mikey, how do you get PTs in pdf form? I've got the 10 actuals but its a huge pain to keep photocopying...

Thanks!

[conker]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

Yes. I've been where you are. Print off the RC sections of 4–5 PTs, creating an "RC PT." Take one or two of those RC PTs. This will get your mind wrapped up in RC, at least. If you do not see any gains then, look at a fundamentals book, such as PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension. Get your fundamentals down. Go back and take a second or third RC PT. You should see improvements as you rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be. Once you get to where you want to be, start taking regular PTs again.

Mikey, how do you get PTs in pdf form? I've got the 10 actuals but its a huge pain to keep photocopying...

Thanks!

Who is Mikey? There are many ways to create PDF files from hardcopy material. Use whatever way you wish.

[QueenBAYder]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

Yes. I've been where you are. Print off the RC sections of 4–5 PTs, creating an "RC PT." Take one or two of those RC PTs. This will get your mind wrapped up in RC, at least. If you do not see any gains then, look at a fundamentals book, such as PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension. Get your fundamentals down. Go back and take a second or third RC PT. You should see improvements as you rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be. Once you get to where you want to be, start taking regular PTs again.

Mikey, how do you get PTs in pdf form? I've got the 10 actuals but its a huge pain to keep photocopying...

Thanks!

Who is Mikey? There are many ways to create PDF files from hardcopy material. Use whatever way you wish.

Sorry, was looking at the post above yours. Thanks though, guess I'm going back to my original plan to scan everything.

[abujabal]

TFW your boss comes to work so you can't leave early to do a PT...

[conker]

There are way too many pages on this for me to read at the moment, but I was wondering: does anyone have any advice that they've found particularly helpful in increasing RC score? I've miss around 9 every practice test I've done. I'm pretty solid on LG (I got -0 or -1) and I've gotten a pretty good handle on LR (around -3 or -4). I got a 163 last September and aiming for a 170+ and the only thing that's really holding me back is the RC

Yes. I've been where you are. Print off the RC sections of 4–5 PTs, creating an "RC PT." Take one or two of those RC PTs. This will get your mind wrapped up in RC, at least. If you do not see any gains then, look at a fundamentals book, such as PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension. Get your fundamentals down. Go back and take a second or third RC PT. You should see improvements as you rinse and repeat until you are where you want to be. Once you get to where you want to be, start taking regular PTs again.

Mikey, how do you get PTs in pdf form? I've got the 10 actuals but its a huge pain to keep photocopying...

Thanks!

Who is Mikey? There are many ways to create PDF files from hardcopy material. Use whatever way you wish.

Sorry, was looking at the post above yours. Thanks though, guess I'm going back to my original plan to scan everything.

I can be less difficult. Hmm, if I had like 1–300 pages that I wanted converted to a PDF, I'd go to FedEx and see if they would do it. It would probably only cost a few dollars.

[conker]

TFW your boss comes to work so you can't leave early to do a PT...

Haha. So I'm in AmeriCorps, and I have weekly requirements of 37.5 hours per week. Well, I also have AmeriCorps requirements to be here during all open office hours, despite me only eating 15-min lunches: (8:30–11:00 + 11:15–5:00) x5 equals 41.25 hours. Well, I'm sure as hell not working extra, since I do not get paid to do so. So I just sit in the office every Friday from like 1:00–5:00 with my door shut, working on PTs LOL.

[chewinggum]

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