The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Alexandros]

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Hm. That's really insightful. I made the mistake of assuming that each color had to be represented. Totally lucked out by only missing one. Watching 7sage, I had mad respect for takinng the time to make 6 sub-gameboards, but I just can't imagine keeping my cool long enough on test day to do that.

How did y'all set this one up?

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For "in" I made two rows of 5 slots, one row for color and one for dino, and put in two Ms, one R S, and two blanks, and two (I think there were 7 dinos? I don't have the game in front of me right now) slots for "out". Then put V/U in one of the out slots, and put all of the dinos that could be mauve in a circle near the two Ms (I think that was V/U, L, T.) I don't think I made any big inferences at the beginning, though there are certainly big inferences that you could make, but I felt like I was able to visualize what was going on alright.

(I realized I think my dependence on visualization might be why I tend to take longer on the easy 1 to 1 linear games? Brain can't handle 7+ elements in a line so I have to draw the whole thing out again for MBF/CBT/MBT questions.)

My set up was basically what you did, but...

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I actually represented all the colors normally and did it how you did where I just had the dino slots and colors above it.... I think that I may have put faint lines between the red dino, the two not mauve dinos, and the two mauve dinos.... I sort of just had that realization relatively quickly that the game was basically basically a grouping game with three groups {1: Red W/E; 2: ___ ___ two not mauves whatever; 3: ____ ___ two mauves. I tend to do games on a relatively intuitive basis rather than setting up a bunch of possibilities (which I think is why I find rule substitutions really easy) but sometimes I get tripped up on simpler games... something like... (off memory)
.....g/y..g/y...
.R..___..___..M...M
.S..___..___..__..__

M: T U V {not I not P not S}

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I think we did about the same thing.
Not into splitting games either (sometimes to my detriment probably.) 7sage did 6 sub-game boards? Seems like that might be overkill but woah.

So tired and out of it today. Gonna go buy some more pencils. I hope whoever's living above me doesn't decide to play riffs on the bass guitar until 2am the night of September 23....

[Alexandros]

Got it right, but 69.4.9 doesn't feel at all airtight to me. Anyone see something that I'm missing?

(Checked manhattan forums and apparently an instructor mailed in a complaint abt this one. I feel a bit vindicated.)

i think i did this section and not sure if i found something incorrect. what's the issue you're seeing?

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the fact that they ate a wider variety of plants doesn't necessarily mean they ate any plants no other tribe ate (Like maybe they ate both A and B, but another people ate just A and another people ate just B). I guess it's not a MBT, just most strongly supported. But still.

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so the way i looked at it was that if a people eat a wider variety of plants then that itself (just eating a wider variety as opposed to a narrower variety) constitutes a way they are using plants that no other people do. that is, eating a wider variety in itself is something unique about using plants for eating. i know it's not the most straightforward way to read it but that's the only way i could justify the answer to myself.

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Yeah, I think I see what you're saying, but didn't it say they're using "*some* plants" in a way no other tribe uses those plants? Idk I'm gonna have to look at it again.

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yeah, i mean the issue in the q is a bit weird, and this approach to justify the answer isn't what someone would naturally think when doing this q. i think if one wants to contort oneself to justify the choice, then one could say "some" plants can refer to all plants as one group, so the people were using using plants in a way that no other people did just by the virtue of eating a wider variety of them.

i agree that this issue is something that lsac needs to account for, just like they need for a few other questions that have similar, and possibly a bit more gaping in some cases, holes. i read the manhattan expln too. did the guys who wrote to lsac get a response?

I mean it's doable enough via process of elim I guess, but I feel like there's a serious hole there.
Judging by the thread, it didn't sound like it. But I didn't like message them or anything.

[34iplaw]

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Hm. That's really insightful. I made the mistake of assuming that each color had to be represented. Totally lucked out by only missing one. Watching 7sage, I had mad respect for takinng the time to make 6 sub-gameboards, but I just can't imagine keeping my cool long enough on test day to do that.

How did y'all set this one up?

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For "in" I made two rows of 5 slots, one row for color and one for dino, and put in two Ms, one R S, and two blanks, and two (I think there were 7 dinos? I don't have the game in front of me right now) slots for "out". Then put V/U in one of the out slots, and put all of the dinos that could be mauve in a circle near the two Ms (I think that was V/U, L, T.) I don't think I made any big inferences at the beginning, though there are certainly big inferences that you could make, but I felt like I was able to visualize what was going on alright.

(I realized I think my dependence on visualization might be why I tend to take longer on the easy 1 to 1 linear games? Brain can't handle 7+ elements in a line so I have to draw the whole thing out again for MBF/CBT/MBT questions.)

My set up was basically what you did, but...

[+] Spoiler

I actually represented all the colors normally and did it how you did where I just had the dino slots and colors above it.... I think that I may have put faint lines between the red dino, the two not mauve dinos, and the two mauve dinos.... I sort of just had that realization relatively quickly that the game was basically basically a grouping game with three groups {1: Red W/E; 2: ___ ___ two not mauves whatever; 3: ____ ___ two mauves. I tend to do games on a relatively intuitive basis rather than setting up a bunch of possibilities (which I think is why I find rule substitutions really easy) but sometimes I get tripped up on simpler games... something like... (off memory)
.....g/y..g/y...
.R..___..___..M...M
.S..___..___..__..__

M: T U V {not I not P not S}

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I think we did about the same thing.
Not into splitting games either (sometimes to my detriment probably.) 7sage did 6 sub-game boards? Seems like that might be overkill but woah.

So tired and out of it today. Gonna go buy some more pencils. I hope whoever's living above me doesn't decide to play riffs on the bass guitar until 2am the night of September 23....

If they do it frequently on weekends, I'd just talk to them ahead of time provided they aren't complete asshats. Yeah ... I ended up taking this as basically a mini breather...

[Mikey]

PT69

LR: -5
LG: -4 (?????????????)
RC: -10 (lmao k)
LR: -7

Score: 161

Very confused as to how I went -4 on games, was expecting a -1 at worst but ok. What's weird is that, I thought I did A LOT better on LR2 than I did on LR1 because I felt a lot more focused during it but I guess not. I thought 2 of the RC passages were tough, and the other 2 were ok. LRs were ok.

BR tomorrow and Monday.

[CHyde]

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[34iplaw]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

[Alexandros]

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Hm. That's really insightful. I made the mistake of assuming that each color had to be represented. Totally lucked out by only missing one. Watching 7sage, I had mad respect for takinng the time to make 6 sub-gameboards, but I just can't imagine keeping my cool long enough on test day to do that.

How did y'all set this one up?

[+] Spoiler

For "in" I made two rows of 5 slots, one row for color and one for dino, and put in two Ms, one R S, and two blanks, and two (I think there were 7 dinos? I don't have the game in front of me right now) slots for "out". Then put V/U in one of the out slots, and put all of the dinos that could be mauve in a circle near the two Ms (I think that was V/U, L, T.) I don't think I made any big inferences at the beginning, though there are certainly big inferences that you could make, but I felt like I was able to visualize what was going on alright.

(I realized I think my dependence on visualization might be why I tend to take longer on the easy 1 to 1 linear games? Brain can't handle 7+ elements in a line so I have to draw the whole thing out again for MBF/CBT/MBT questions.)

My set up was basically what you did, but...

[+] Spoiler

I actually represented all the colors normally and did it how you did where I just had the dino slots and colors above it.... I think that I may have put faint lines between the red dino, the two not mauve dinos, and the two mauve dinos.... I sort of just had that realization relatively quickly that the game was basically basically a grouping game with three groups {1: Red W/E; 2: ___ ___ two not mauves whatever; 3: ____ ___ two mauves. I tend to do games on a relatively intuitive basis rather than setting up a bunch of possibilities (which I think is why I find rule substitutions really easy) but sometimes I get tripped up on simpler games... something like... (off memory)
.....g/y..g/y...
.R..___..___..M...M
.S..___..___..__..__

M: T U V {not I not P not S}

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I think we did about the same thing.
Not into splitting games either (sometimes to my detriment probably.) 7sage did 6 sub-game boards? Seems like that might be overkill but woah.

So tired and out of it today. Gonna go buy some more pencils. I hope whoever's living above me doesn't decide to play riffs on the bass guitar until 2am the night of September 23....

If they do it frequently on weekends, I'd just talk to them ahead of time provided they aren't complete asshats. Yeah ... I ended up taking this as basically a mini breather...

Yeah I'm mot entirely sure where it's coming from, and I don't quite have the guts to go knocking on all the doors a floor above mine and demanding to know who's been exercising their musical talent in the wee hours. I think it's only happened once or twice though, and I usually can sleep through things.
Letting ourselves recharge a bit's probably a good thing. Gotta be ready for that fun, exciting proctored PT in three weeks!

[Mikey]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

Anytime before thanksgiving is early. If you take in December, you can still have a good cycle. Was that your concern?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Here comes the weekend: tacos, drinks, LSAT, rinse and repeat.

Cheers! Any fail-proof hangover techniques to be able to study after a night out?

Alka seltzer and a liter of water before bed the night of your debauchery. A nice greasy homemade bacon and egg sandwhich the following AM. You're welcome.

Ooo I think I am going to give this a shot tonight!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

Anytime before thanksgiving is early. If you take in December, you can still have a good cycle. Was that your concern?

Yeah-from what i've heard and read, if you need to take December that is fine, just have your apps completed so that you can submit as soon as you receive your scores.

On a similar note, what are people's strategies regarding ED?

[34iplaw]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

Anytime before thanksgiving is early. If you take in December, you can still have a good cycle. Was that your concern?

Yeah-from what i've heard and read, if you need to take December that is fine, just have your apps completed so that you can submit as soon as you receive your scores.

On a similar note, what are people's strategies regarding ED?

Sort of... well, I just wanted to get started on the apps, but they seem to require you to either pick ED or RD before you start the online application. Granted, it seems like the applications take literally no time... just sort of boilerplate biographical information.

For me, it really depends on how I score. I'm in that weird 169-173 territory.

[Instrumental]

On a similar note, what are people's strategies regarding ED?

I'm still way too young for that to be a problem.

[Alexandros]

Meeting at 11am tomorrow so either PT at 7am or wait 'til Monday.

[34iplaw]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

[Mikey]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

What's wrong with it?

[Instrumental]

7sage says games 3 and 4 in PT64 are difficulty 5 and 4 respectively, but to me it was more like 3 and 5 respectively. wtf.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

Anytime before thanksgiving is early. If you take in December, you can still have a good cycle. Was that your concern?

Yeah-from what i've heard and read, if you need to take December that is fine, just have your apps completed so that you can submit as soon as you receive your scores.

On a similar note, what are people's strategies regarding ED?

Sort of... well, I just wanted to get started on the apps, but they seem to require you to either pick ED or RD before you start the online application. Granted, it seems like the applications take literally no time... just sort of boilerplate biographical information.

For me, it really depends on how I score. I'm in that weird 169-173 territory.

Oh really? I haven't opened any of the apps yet...just looked at essay topics. Apps are always super quick, and the only true time-consuming aspect is the essays.

[34iplaw]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

What's wrong with it?

Stuck in power cycle after update today. Screen started to have some weird gradient with vertical striation. Couldn't update or restore. I'm kind of irritated, as I'm not currently located near an apple store. I also *hate* apple stores.

[34iplaw]

Anyone know what the deal with the school apps are? I'm unsure if I want to apply early somewhere, but it makes it seem like I have to decide now if I want to (I mainly don't as I have a bit of range in my LSAT score over the past few PTs)

Anytime before thanksgiving is early. If you take in December, you can still have a good cycle. Was that your concern?

Yeah-from what i've heard and read, if you need to take December that is fine, just have your apps completed so that you can submit as soon as you receive your scores.

On a similar note, what are people's strategies regarding ED?

Sort of... well, I just wanted to get started on the apps, but they seem to require you to either pick ED or RD before you start the online application. Granted, it seems like the applications take literally no time... just sort of boilerplate biographical information.

For me, it really depends on how I score. I'm in that weird 169-173 territory.

Oh really? I haven't opened any of the apps yet...just looked at essay topics. Apps are always super quick, and the only true time-consuming aspect is the essays.

Yeah... it gives some dialogue being like, 'Are you sure you want to do this, you cannot select ED if you do this?' Same thing applies for JDMBA type stuff.

[Alexandros]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

What's wrong with it?

Stuck in power cycle after update today. Screen started to have some weird gradient with vertical striation. Couldn't update or restore. I'm kind of irritated, as I'm not currently located near an apple store. I also *hate* apple stores.

Presumably you've tried plugging it in and restarting it and all that?
And yeah, fuck Apple stores.

[Mikey]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

What's wrong with it?

Stuck in power cycle after update today. Screen started to have some weird gradient with vertical striation. Couldn't update or restore. I'm kind of irritated, as I'm not currently located near an apple store. I also *hate* apple stores.

Presumably you've tried plugging it in and restarting it and all that?
And yeah, fuck Apple stores.

That's weird. You could always try throwing it at the wall, it might stop doing what it's doing if it breaks.

[Alexandros]

God damned iPhone is all screwed up.

What's wrong with it?

Stuck in power cycle after update today. Screen started to have some weird gradient with vertical striation. Couldn't update or restore. I'm kind of irritated, as I'm not currently located near an apple store. I also *hate* apple stores.

Presumably you've tried plugging it in and restarting it and all that?
And yeah, fuck Apple stores.

That's weird. You could always try throwing it at the wall, it might stop doing what it's doing if it breaks.

Submerging it in a pool of water for about an hour might also work.

[Rupert Pupkin]

YAY! Got over my hump today and surpassed 170!!! Using the mastermind-mind watch too (Coincidence? I think Not)

PT 48 : 172 (95 raw)

LR: -2
LG: -0
RC: -4 (EXP)
RC: -3
LR: -1

First time getting LR under -3 and second consecutive LG at -0. The back-to-back RC was pretty brutal. My second RC section I missed 2/3 questions in the last passage, which was on the topic of science(Bores me to death) and I rushed it due to running out of time. I like RC in a weird way. Its always been my strong point in test-taking. Very pleased with the results but now I just gotta make this a consistent thing.

[Alexandros]

YAY! Got over my hump today and surpassed 170!!! Using the mastermind-mind watch too (Coincidence? I think Not)

PT 48 : 172 (95 raw)

LR: -2
LG: -0
RC: -4 (EXP)
RC: -3
LR: -1

First time getting LR under -3 and second consecutive LG at -0. The back-to-back RC was pretty brutal. My second RC section I missed 2/3 questions in the last passage, which was on the topic of science(Bores me to death) and I rushed it due to running out of time. I like RC in a weird way. Its always been my strong point in test-taking. Very pleased with the results but now I just gotta make this a consistent thing.

WOOOT congrats!! Brutal curve you had there, too - That would have scaled a lot higher on most PTs.

[Rupert Pupkin]

YAY! Got over my hump today and surpassed 170!!! Using the mastermind-mind watch too (Coincidence? I think Not)

PT 48 : 172 (95 raw)

LR: -2
LG: -0
RC: -4 (EXP)
RC: -3
LR: -1

First time getting LR under -3 and second consecutive LG at -0. The back-to-back RC was pretty brutal. My second RC section I missed 2/3 questions in the last passage, which was on the topic of science(Bores me to death) and I rushed it due to running out of time. I like RC in a weird way. Its always been my strong point in test-taking. Very pleased with the results but now I just gotta make this a consistent thing.

WOOOT congrats!! Brutal curve you had there, too - That would have scaled a lot higher on most PTs.

Thanks! I was thinking the same thing..Thats good to know. Curious to see how BR goes and where my weaknesses lie after this one.