June 2016 - Waiter's (+170 or bust) GRAY DAY HAS AWOKEN FROM ITS SLUMBER Forum

[BirdLawExpert]

Here's my question guys:

I would really fricken love to get into Columbia, I live in New York and and it HAS been my dream school.

Should I ED it? Or will that just cause me to get less money offered if I get accepted?

Only ED if you're willing to pay sticker. If you are, then go for it.

I am so out of the loop can you expand ED for me?

Early Decision. Essentially saying "if you accept me, I legally agree to come to your school no matter what." Northwestern incentivizes this by including a full tuition scholarship to all students accepted Early Decision.

[footballlax55]

I'm going to put off checking my score until tomorrow or the day after. I am not in a rush to be disappointed.

I can't believe 10 wrong scaled to only a 170 this go around. I think I did well on LG and LR. Probably between 3 and 6 wrong for those 3 sections combined. But RC screwed me. I probably got anywhere between 2 and 6 wrong on RC. So that would put me at anywhere between 5 and 12 wrong probably. It is just so hard to improve at the top end. One little mistake really affects the outcome.

And this was my third retake. I guess I have to settle with never reaching a dream school and continue to feel unsatisfied in my achievements.

[Sisyphus9]

170 :/ (hoping for more like a 172/3, but I had a hard time with the LR sections). I have a 4.0 UG GPA, though; is holding out hope for YHS totally ill-advised? CCN?

[notsolawful]

I'm waiting for the Asian LSAT and that thread is pretty dead. I feel so anxious about my score and I'm not even close to getting it. It seems like 2/3 of people are disappointed and 1/3 are satisfied.

[appind]

Life is weird people. RC was always my strongest section, LG the worst and LR very shaky. Yet it was RC that prevented me from scoring higher than my abnormally good LR and LG scores would have indicated. Ha!

For the final time, a test score:

173:
RC: -4
LR: -2
LG: -1

Congrats!! I got a 173 too

Pumped for you mang!

congrats

man, that's a v tough curve

[RamTitan]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

[EnfieldTennisChamp]

Here's my question guys:

I would really fricken love to get into Columbia, I live in New York and and it HAS been my dream school.

Should I ED it? Or will that just cause me to get less money offered if I get accepted?

Only ED if you're willing to pay sticker. If you are, then go for it.

I am so out of the loop can you expand ED for me?

Early Decision. Essentially saying "if you accept me, I legally agree to come to your school no matter what." Northwestern incentivizes this by including a full tuition scholarship to all students accepted Early Decision.

TY

[Hennessy]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

[vanie]

I'm still waiting for my score!! Anybody else still waiting??!! WTF is taking so long?? It's 1012pm eastern time!

[RamTitan]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

[Hennessy]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

[RamTitan]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

Oh, you entered different numbers mate. If you put in my exact stats (3.66, 169) I look a fair bit better.

[Hennessy]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

Oh, you entered different numbers mate. If you put in my exact stats (3.66, 169) I look a fair bit better.

wow i totally misread as 166

RC fail

[RamTitan]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

Oh, you entered different numbers mate. If you put in my exact stats (3.66, 169) I look a fair bit better.

wow i totally misread as 166

RC fail

Lol, it's all good. Other people in other threads are saying I'm going to have a hard time getting into the top 14 without at least a 170, but I'm having trouble digesting this based off of the stats on MyLSN.....am I doing something wrong?

[Hennessy]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

Oh, you entered different numbers mate. If you put in my exact stats (3.66, 169) I look a fair bit better.

wow i totally misread as 166

RC fail

Lol, it's all good. Other people in other threads are saying I'm going to have a hard time getting into the top 14 without at least a 170, but I'm having trouble digesting this based off of the stats on MyLSN.....am I doing something wrong?

ED NW

jk i would pull for UVA with your stats but only because Virginia is really nice

jk UVA is a fantastic school and you should defintitely explore your t14 options

[theAdmissionsSherpa]

Diagnostic: 146
One year of studying, 8 months of being stuck in the 167-171 range
First Take: 169


Worth retaking with a 3.66 GPA? Dream was to do a 175+ and get into Harvard, but at this point doing anything in the top 15 without killing myself with debt would be awesome (especially Duke or Penn)

Current stats have you in at WUSTL with a v good scholarship.

however, a +170 puts you at +60% for everything north of Colombia, including 77% likehood at Duke.

Harvard is definitely out w/o a +175, and even then you're taking $0 scholarship.

definitely worth retaking, imo

What about Northwestern ED? Where are you getting this info?

I guess I am very hesitant because I haven't improved in a long time, and don't know if it's worth banging my head against the wall to see if I can squeeze out a few more points when I'm not sure if I can in the first place....

http://mylsn.info/s43faa/

Oh, you entered different numbers mate. If you put in my exact stats (3.66, 169) I look a fair bit better.

wow i totally misread as 166

RC fail

Lol, it's all good. Other people in other threads are saying I'm going to have a hard time getting into the top 14 without at least a 170, but I'm having trouble digesting this based off of the stats on MyLSN.....am I doing something wrong?

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

[RamTitan]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

[HaveMercy]

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[RamTitan]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

Can I retake in September, and still submit my apps before sitting again for the test? And then just send the score when I get it? And if the score is lower than a 169, will it hurt my admissions chances?

[theAdmissionsSherpa]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

All very understandable. It's a personal choice, but if you can handle another 3 months of studying, it could pay off big time. Even a 171 (the upper end of your PT) would make a huge difference. Did you take a prep course, or just work off the old tests on your own?

Submitting in September without retaking would not give you an edge, as opposed to submitting in October after Sept scores are released.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need to get more specific

[zeglo]

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[theAdmissionsSherpa]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

Can I retake in September, and still submit my apps before sitting again for the test? And then just send the score when I get it? And if the score is lower than a 169, will it hurt my admissions chances?

You could do that, but it wouldn't be of any advantage. October is still early to submit. Unless the score is MUCH lower, it will not hurt you.

[RamTitan]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

All very understandable. It's a personal choice, but if you can handle another 3 months of studying, it could pay off big time. Even a 171 (the upper end of your PT) would make a huge difference. Did you take a prep course, or just work off the old tests on your own?

Submitting in September without retaking would not give you an edge, as opposed to submitting in October after Sept scores are released.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need to get more specific

Would scoring below a 169 on a retake be detrimental?

[theAdmissionsSherpa]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

All very understandable. It's a personal choice, but if you can handle another 3 months of studying, it could pay off big time. Even a 171 (the upper end of your PT) would make a huge difference. Did you take a prep course, or just work off the old tests on your own?

Submitting in September without retaking would not give you an edge, as opposed to submitting in October after Sept scores are released.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need to get more specific

Would scoring below a 169 on a retake be detrimental?

Not by any means

[RamTitan]

You'll be in at a few T14's with 169/3.66. TLS consensus will be to retake, and I agree. Unless you're very resistant to retaking for some reason, a few points will be the difference between getting in at a few T14 vs. in at most of T14 w/ $-$$$

My reasons for resisting - I've studied for a year and never got past the 167-171 range, have used nearly all of the test materials (including doing LSAT 60-77 2x), and wonder if it would be more advantageous to submit early rather than wait for the score

My reasons for retaking - I've studied for a year and might as well see what a few more months can do for me, don't want to give up on the dream

Can I retake in September, and still submit my apps before sitting again for the test? And then just send the score when I get it? And if the score is lower than a 169, will it hurt my admissions chances?

You could do that, but it wouldn't be of any advantage. October is still early to submit. Unless the score is MUCH lower, it will not hurt you.

This is going to be a hard decision regardless......

For me, the dream has always been Harvard; after that it goes to Penn, Duke, UVA, then to Northwester, Texas, and Vanderbilt. At this point I'm pretty frustrated since I have put a lot of time in, but then again, if I don't score something higher than a 169 was the year a waste considering I scored that back in September of 2015? I don't know.....I never really figured out RC, and I thankfully did pretty well on that section this time, so I feel like I should count my blessings and move on.

I feel like I'm going to regret either decision I make lol