DECEMBER 2014 WAITERS Forum

[secadc11]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

[thatlawlkid]

The kind of issues that are being referred to occur much more at random parties than they do at fraternity houses. The issue is that fraternities are held responsible because they represent something larger than an individual. No one ever hears about the positive impact that greek life make on campus. People never care about the positives, they just love to spread and perpetuate the hate and stereotypes.

[IsThisForReal]

The kind of issues that are being referred to occur much more at random parties than they do at fraternity houses. The issue is that fraternities are held responsible because they represent something larger than an individual. No one ever hears about the positive impact that greek life make on campus. People never care about the positives, they just love to spread and perpetuate the hate and stereotypes.

Not entirely true. I was never in a greek org and I have a lot of love for the AGR bros at my UG. There are a lot of frats at my UG with really cool philanthropies.

[MT Cicero]

A few questionable claims in this particular story can't discount the fact that this kind of thing happens all the fucking time at campus parties, and it's a huge problem.

And yes, I think frat culture is largely responsible.

^^^This is often the takeaway from every false story that fits the paradigm. I should've used an "in before..." comment, as this was as certain as the sun rising tomorrow.

By the way, I agree that there's a cultural issue and it is a serious problem. Seeking out "just the right" target and willing a tenuous story to be true is not the means to remedy it, however.

An indictment on a particular individual, fraternity, etc. screws with people's lives. I don't like bashing a couple lambs' heads against the wall to prove a broader point. It's counter-productive and un-American.

[Smallville]

A few questionable claims in this particular story can't discount the fact that this kind of thing happens all the fucking time at campus parties, and it's a huge problem.

And yes, I think frat culture is largely responsible.

yeah its def a problem that happens all over but to claim it is greek culture causing it is silly. That happens in all sorts of environments be it greek, athletic, or neither

[peger]

I was never a fan of greek life but I think it's a bit reductive to blame it for rape culture on campus and I honestly doubt we'd see a fall in sexual assaults simply by getting rid of frats.

[2654815451]

The kind of issues that are being referred to occur much more at random parties than they do at fraternity houses. The issue is that fraternities are held responsible because they represent something larger than an individual. No one ever hears about the positive impact that greek life make on campus. People never care about the positives, they just love to spread and perpetuate the hate and stereotypes.

Not entirely true. I was never in a greek org and I have a lot of love for the AGR bros at my UG. There are a lot of frats at my UG with really cool philanthropies.

Most of my friends are in sororities. I would be in one if it wasn't for my busy schedule and full-time job. Although, not all are good/bad and I am partial to Kappa Delta.

[peger]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

Thanks! Half of the reason I don't want scores out today is that I don't want to finish my apps, lol.

[cavalier2015]

And yes, I think frat culture is largely responsible.

how so? I strongly disagree with your statement and think it is just a blatant ignorant statement to make.

i think the problem delves into the drinking age of america. students generally enter college at the age of 18, thus three years underage. Therefore, bars are off limits (i mean sure you can get a fake id, but this is beside the point). Needless to say, they cannot buy alcohol. So what does a 18 year old, who WANTS to drink choose to do? attend frat parties because there is accessible liquor. How can we fix this? How about lower the drinking age to 18? This way, students who enter college are legally allowed to drink and can be more safe about their choices. Moreover, a really interesting proposal I've read is to lower the drinking age to 18 so that fraternities can have police enter their parties and ensure students are drinking responsibly. By lowering the drinking age, cops aren't trying to bust kids for underage drinking anymore and kids feel more safe drinking because they know it is not illegal and they have police to help take care if needed be. I know i didn't flesh out this idea fully but this is something to consider.

moreover, at my school (and i am assuming other schools too) when you try to enter a fraternity party, one is asked if they are a student at the university and if they are 21 or above. Thus, the fraternity does its part in complying with laws. If the students wishes to lie about their age, it is not the fraternity's fault because there wasn't resonable doubt to thing they weren't 21. You aren't going to ask for their drivers licensee when working the door, so you ask them to be honest about it. This is even stronger with schools that have strict honor codes (UVA). Once the student represents himself/herself as a UVA student they are bound not to lie and as a member of a frat, and also a member of the honor code community, you believe the student.

[thatlawlkid]

A few questionable claims in this particular story can't discount the fact that this kind of thing happens all the fucking time at campus parties, and it's a huge problem.

And yes, I think frat culture is largely responsible.

yeah its def a problem that happens all over but to claim it is greek culture causing it is silly. That happens in all sorts of environments be it greek, athletic, or neither

^This all the way. I spent This previous semester as president of my greek organization and nothing made me happier than being able to represent such an excellent group of individuals. Its just aggravating to hear such things being pinned to such a general group of people. I know some poeple commit these actions but i also have first hand knowledge of witnessing thousands of dollars raised for disability awareness, gave my sweat and time to building handicap ramps across my country for disadvantaged families that needed them and have had the pleasure of knowing 4 seperate brothers all of whom sacrificed entire summers to biking across America for philanthropy. generalizations help no one, and dont forget what the old saying is about making assumptions.

[JVrva]

I logged into LSAC, and there are green arrows over the response report, answer sheet, etc for the Dec. LSAT. I'm not sure if the arrows have always been there- just getting anxious and probably reading into it! Let me know!

[secadc11]

I logged into LSAC, and there are green arrows over the response report, answer sheet, etc for the Dec. LSAT. I'm not sure if the arrows have always been there- just getting anxious and probably reading into it! Let me know!

Those are always there. You're just anxious.

[thatlawlkid]

I logged into LSAC, and there are green arrows over the response report, answer sheet, etc for the Dec. LSAT. I'm not sure if the arrows have always been there- just getting anxious and probably reading into it! Let me know!

always green, when scores are coming out they turn grey

[2654815451]

I logged into LSAC, and there are green arrows over the response report, answer sheet, etc for the Dec. LSAT. I'm not sure if the arrows have always been there- just getting anxious and probably reading into it! Let me know!

Arrows always there. Sorry.

[IsThisForReal]

I logged into LSAC, and there are green arrows over the response report, answer sheet, etc for the Dec. LSAT. I'm not sure if the arrows have always been there- just getting anxious and probably reading into it! Let me know!

always green, when scores are coming out they turn BAN

[LeeAllen]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

Did it just get posted today? If so, wouldn't that mean at least some people are in the office?

[IsThisForReal]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

Did it just get posted today? If so, wouldn't that mean at least some people are in the office?

I think that's probably an automated thing. (No humans required)

[Shakawkaw]

And yes, I think frat culture is largely responsible.

how so? I strongly disagree with your statement and think it is just a blatant ignorant statement to make.

i think the problem delves into the drinking age of america. students generally enter college at the age of 18, thus three years underage. Therefore, bars are off limits (i mean sure you can get a fake id, but this is beside the point). Needless to say, they cannot buy alcohol. So what does a 18 year old, who WANTS to drink choose to do? attend frat parties because there is accessible liquor. How can we fix this? How about lower the drinking age to 18? This way, students who enter college are legally allowed to drink and can be more safe about their choices. Moreover, a really interesting proposal I've read is to lower the drinking age to 18 so that fraternities can have police enter their parties and look for students who may be too drunk and make sure they are safe. By lowering the drinking age, cops aren't trying to bust kids for underage drinking anymore and kids feel more safe drinking because they know it is not illegal and they have police to help take care if needed be. I know i didn't flesh out this idea fully but this is something to consider.

moreover, at my school (and i am assuming other schools too) when you try to enter a fraternity party, one is asked if they are a student at the university and if they are 21 or above. Thus, the fraternity does its part in complying with laws. If the students wishes to lie about their age, it is not the fraternity's fault because there wasn't resonable doubt to thing they weren't 21. You aren't going to ask for their drivers licensee when working the door, so you ask them to be honest about it. This is even stronger with schools that have strict honor codes (UVA). Once the student represents himself/herself as a UVA student they are bound not to lie and if they lie and as a member of frat, and also a member of the honor code community, you believe the student.

Omg. This is a gross generalization and conflation of rape culture and what leads to it. Lowering the drinking age is dumb. Here's why: in campuses where are there no frats, it's very common to have older students purchase alcohol for you. You are simply placing the burden on the fact that drinking causes people to do dumb things. Consider that in several cases where rape occurs on college campuses, other substances are involved. The intent to rape is present. See: roofies. Simply lowering the drinking age will increase accessibility to alcohol and situations where rape can happen. It normalizes it. That's an absurd argument.

The reason why frats perpetuate this kind of behavior is due to hazing and the whole hierarchical structure that are inherent in fraternities, among a whole host of other reasons. I should feel comfortable going to a party without being pressed up against the wall and having some guy force himself on me and make me drink a beverage I have no interest in consuming. I've been to frat parties where the punch was spiked with drugs. That's normal in frats and shrugged off as being okay, and that's a problem.

[Shakawkaw]

This discussion is just really upsetting. Shaq, OUT.

[jw316]

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[LeeAllen]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

Did it just get posted today? If so, wouldn't that mean at least some people are in the office?

I think that's probably an automated thing. (No humans required)

Aren't most letters mailed in? Or is that done electronically?

[IsThisForReal]

I should feel comfortable going to a party without being pressed up against the wall and having some guy force himself on me and make me drink a beverage I have no interest in consuming.

This (though not quite so extreme) happens to me at the bar every time I go out. srs.

The last time I went out, I had one guy make comments about my ass, another grabbed it, a third started chatting me up about my jewelry like he was gonna snatch it off me and a fourth on the way to my car tried to put his arm around my waist.

These things have nothing to do with frats or the drinking age. Its a social problem.

[2654815451]

On to happier news, I checked my LSAC academic report thang for the first time and they bumped up my GPA. Haaaaaaaaaay.

Congrats! I just checked LSAC and my third LOR is in, so I'm officially ready to hit submit come score release time.

Did it just get posted today? If so, wouldn't that mean at least some people are in the office?

I think that's probably an automated thing. (No humans required)

I sent in one application and LSAC sent score report when they requested it. I think it is also automated but not sure.

[cavalier2015]

Omg. This is a gross generalization and conflation of rape culture and what leads to it. Lowering the drinking age is dumb. Here's why: in campuses where are there no frats, it's very common to have older students purchase alcohol for you. You are simply placing the burden on the fact that drinking causes people to do dumb things. Consider that in several cases where rape occurs on college campuses, other substances are involved. The intent to rape is present. See: roofies. Simply lowering the drinking age will increase accessibility to alcohol and situations where rape can happen. It normalizes it. That's an absurd argument.

The reason why frats perpetuate this kind of behavior is due to hazing and the whole hierarchical structure that are inherent in fraternities, among a whole host of other reasons. I should feel comfortable going to a party without being pressed up against the wall and having some guy force himself on me and make me drink a beverage I have no interest in consuming. I've been to frat parties where the punch was spiked with drugs. That's normal in frats and shrugged off as being okay, and that's a problem.

please do not generalize a statement such as "that's normal in frats and shrugged off as being okay". it is not normal and is not shrugged off as being okay. in fact, most frats have leadership positions that ensure the chapter's compliance with laws. if you're taking about "gross generalizations" that you seem to be discussing, that statement is vastly generalized

[2654815451]

I should feel comfortable going to a party without being pressed up against the wall and having some guy force himself on me and make me drink a beverage I have no interest in consuming.

This (though not quite so extreme) happens to me at the bar every time I go out. srs.

The last time I went out, I had one guy make comments about my ass, another grabbed it, a third started chatting me up about my jewelry like he was gonna snatch it off me and a fourth on the way to my car tried to put his arm around me waist.

These things have nothing to do with frats or the drinking age. Its a social problem.

Yes.